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Post by don on Oct 23, 2021 12:18:20 GMT -5
A bolt-gun or a tight single-shot is the way to go if you want to wring the best accuracy out of a cartridge. The controversy about "inherently accurate cartridges" goes on, but it is undeniable that some are more accurate than others. The 7.62x39 is not among the high-scoring group, which includes such famous ones as the 44 Special, the 308, and the 6.5 Creedmoor. The AK round can't be blamed for that as it wasn't designed for accuracy in the first place. AKs and the steel cased military fodder definitely does not result in serious accuracy. 7.62x39 can be very accurate, however. I reload brass cases for it and use .311 bullets appropriate for the bore of that Ruger. Makes that rifle shoot just a hair over one MOA. 7.62x39 is the parent case for some great precision cartridges like 6 PPC and 22 PPC, also 6.5 Grendel. I have a 6.5 Grendel Howa bolt gun that will shoot five shot 1/2” groups all day at 100yds. Just sold my Cooper model 21 in 22PPC. I usually put five shots into less than 1/2” off the bench at 100 yds. Sometimes I would end up with one cloverleaf hole closer to 1/4” diameter for five shots.
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 23, 2021 12:28:40 GMT -5
I love the Grendel. (Killed my first deer with it last year.) I have a Howa and a Ruger American and they perform about the same, with a slight edge for the Ruger. I went a bit nutz on both and installed comps. Recoil is about non-existence. Fun to be able to watch the bullets come apart on a gong at 200Y.
PS... Some guys get bent out of shape when the Grendel's parent is said to be the AK round. They claim it's the 220 Russian. But THAT round's parent IS the AK so what's all the excitement about? Can't please everyone I guess.
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 23, 2021 12:40:34 GMT -5
I don't know where you heard that. I've had a 340. My experience does not confirm that at all. Unless you mean that the 30-30 is most accurate when used in a bolt-gun. The 30-30 is not a prize-winner in the accuracy department in ANY gun. When I used to shoot handgun metallic silhouette the most accurate guys were shooting Contenders in 30-30. The Contender is a fantastic platform. I only have 22 Match and 357 barrels, and 7TCU when set up as a carbine. With the right handloads the 357 (10") shoots 1" @ 100Y. IT will, but I can't anymore.
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Post by don on Oct 23, 2021 19:25:02 GMT -5
I love the Grendel. (Killed my first deer with it last year.) I have a Howa and a Ruger American and they perform about the same, with a slight edge for the Ruger. I went a bit nutz on both and installed comps. Recoil is about non-existence. Fun to be able to watch the bullets come apart on a gong at 200Y.
PS... Some guys get bent out of shape when the Grendel's parent is said to be the AK round. They claim it's the 220 Russian. But THAT round's parent IS the AK so what's all the excitement about? Can't please everyone I guess.
True. The 7.62x39 is the grandparent round! My Howa 1500 is almost as accurate as the 22 PPC Cooper I sold. At about 1/3 the price. I have a muzzle brake on the Ruger American. Nothing on the Howa.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 23, 2021 20:33:29 GMT -5
When I used to shoot handgun metallic silhouette the most accurate guys were shooting Contenders in 30-30. The Contender is a fantastic platform. I only have 22 Match and 357 barrels, and 7TCU when set up as a carbine. With the right handloads the 357 (10") shoots 1" @ 100Y. IT will, but I can't anymore. I had a Contender with the 45/410, 357, 22lr and a Bullberry 357 Max rifle barrel. I had several grips and I made a rifle stock for it. I sold the whole set to my best friend who refuses to sell it back. ☹️
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Post by toshtego on Oct 23, 2021 22:14:09 GMT -5
The Contender is a fantastic platform. I only have 22 Match and 357 barrels, and 7TCU when set up as a carbine. With the right handloads the 357 (10") shoots 1" @ 100Y. IT will, but I can't anymore. I had a Contender with the 45/410, 357, 22lr and a Bullberry 357 Max rifle barrel. I had several grips and I made a rifle stock for it. I sold the whole set to my best friend who refuses to sell it back. ☹️ You want we should go over and talk with him?
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 24, 2021 10:42:57 GMT -5
I had a Contender with the 45/410, 357, 22lr and a Bullberry 357 Max rifle barrel. I had several grips and I made a rifle stock for it. I sold the whole set to my best friend who refuses to sell it back. ☹️ You want we should go over and talk with him? No, he's old and the last thing I need is more guns now. I got in big trouble with my wife when I sold it to him because she loved shooting the 22. It was boring, just watching her put shot after shot in one hole at 25 yards and I thought she had lost interest. Wrong again.
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Post by trailboss on May 9, 2023 19:48:55 GMT -5
This is a pretty neat looking carbine. shoot-on.com/range-rifle-goes-semi-auto-henry-homesteader-9mm-carbine/A pretty cool feature: “ The Homesteader comes with a pair of Henry magazines — a five-round and a 10-round — and, depending on your chosen model, an interchangeable mag well that provides compatibility for Glock, SIG Sauer, and Smith & Wesson M&P magazines comes with the package. This is an excellent addition, and for testing’s sake, I knocked out three pins in the receiver, dropped the standard magazine well, and inserted the interchangeable well. The process is elementary and takes about three seconds.”
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Post by Ronv69 on May 9, 2023 20:12:02 GMT -5
Too expensive, but it's a nice looking gun. I have better choices.
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Post by urbino on May 10, 2023 0:28:29 GMT -5
Looks a lot like the pellet gun I had as a kid.
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Post by Plainsman on May 14, 2023 15:19:59 GMT -5
I might have gone for one of those if I didn’t already have a Ruger PC carbine. I like what Imposito does and wouldn’t mind supporting him. As usual, putting a pistol round into a long-gun makes it a different critter. 9mms make for excellent, handy carbines to toss in the trailer when going camping.
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Post by urbino on May 14, 2023 15:29:52 GMT -5
Only tangentially related, but I saw Beretta is bringing back the Cheetah. Well, they're bringing back the name, anyway. It's .380, but I bet it doesn't have much else in common with the original.
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Post by Ronv69 on May 14, 2023 16:29:46 GMT -5
Only tangentially related, but I saw Beretta is bringing back the Cheetah. Well, they're bringing back the name, anyway. It's .380, but I bet it doesn't have much else in common with the original. It's the same basic pistol, but they changed the grip so that it has a flat back strap. They made the safety a decocker, and added a rail under the barrel for mounting accessories. Also ready to add a red dot on top. Nothing about it is an improvement for me, but I can see it reaching a younger generation of shooters.
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Post by don on May 14, 2023 22:56:26 GMT -5
Only tangentially related, but I saw Beretta is bringing back the Cheetah. Well, they're bringing back the name, anyway. It's .380, but I bet it doesn't have much else in common with the original. It's the same basic pistol, but they changed the grip so that it has a flat back strap. They made the safety a decocker, and added a rail under the barrel for mounting accessories. Also ready to add a red dot on top. Nothing about it is an improvement for me, but I can see it reaching a younger generation of shooters. They definitely managed to make it ugly.
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Post by Ronv69 on May 14, 2023 23:09:46 GMT -5
It's the same basic pistol, but they changed the grip so that it has a flat back strap. They made the safety a decocker, and added a rail under the barrel for mounting accessories. Also ready to add a red dot on top. Nothing about it is an improvement for me, but I can see it reaching a younger generation of shooters. They definitely managed to make it ugly. Not as ugly as the new Walthers, but definitely a step down.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 24, 2024 19:38:23 GMT -5
A buddy of mine shared his truck gun....Solid brass bullets in a solid brass receiver 245 grain with Vihtavauori powder, not available any more but he has 3k rounds.
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 24, 2024 20:43:17 GMT -5
Was there an image with this, Charlie? I didn’t get it.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 24, 2024 21:16:15 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 24, 2024 21:38:12 GMT -5
A buddy of mine shared his truck gun....Solid brass bullets in a solid brass receiver 245 grain with Vihtavauori powder, not available any more but he has 3k rounds. Is that a 45? Anyway, I couldn't afford to use that as a truck gun. Back in the day of $100 lever actions that was all you saw. I was too young and besides I was in the city. Nowadays, it's stupid to keep a long gun in the truck unless you live in Nebraska or you take it with you every time you get out. Half the population wouldn't think twice about breaking into a truck for a hamburger. I have a well hidden Star Model B bought for the purpose. I'm more concerned about a criminal getting it than I am worried about the loss of the gun. It's in a locked steel box if I'm in a citified area.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 24, 2024 21:47:03 GMT -5
He has a bed slide out rack under his aluminum pickup bed cover… not sure what you call it, but it accordions back to the cab of his truck and is locked. Pretty much the same setup of an LEO I know that is on the Fugitive Task Force.
Money is not a factor for him…. Not sure about the caliber, but it looks pretty nasty.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 24, 2024 22:38:26 GMT -5
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Post by trailboss on Feb 24, 2024 22:44:49 GMT -5
Pretty much the same, his bedcover is more robust.
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Post by urbino on Feb 24, 2024 23:42:38 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 25, 2024 3:13:20 GMT -5
Cool. My wife thought I had spent too much money on the bed cap, ranch hand bumper and grill guard. I whined that it was only a meer 30% more, but I got the look. I can live without it these days. How do you like it?
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Post by urbino on Feb 25, 2024 4:12:40 GMT -5
Cool. My wife thought I had spent too much money on the bed cap, ranch hand bumper and grill guard. I whined that it was only a meer 30% more, but I got the look. I can live without it these days. How do you like it? It could be improved a bit, but I like it. It allows me to actually use some of the space in the bed on a regular basis, which is why I got it. Things don't get stolen. And the deck is incredibly sturdy. No worries about throwing stuff in there on it, as long as it's not, like, sharp, 30-lb. rocks or something. You're supposed to put it all together and then lift it up into the bed as a unit, but for one dude with a bad back, that wasn't practical. I assembled it in halves, put each in the bed, and then bolted them together.
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Post by toshtego on Feb 25, 2024 11:31:21 GMT -5
I usually carry an old Krag carbine in 6.5 X 55 mm. Free to me. I added improved sights. If someone steals it they will have a hard time finding ammo.
On the other hand, I have thought about a new barrel since the Jicarilla Apache gent who owned this before me cut it down to 18 inches and that is too short for the slow burning powder in these cartridges. 24 or 26 inches would be an improvement I think. Originally, it was up around 29 inches in length. Any opinions appreciated.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 25, 2024 12:39:10 GMT -5
Cool. My wife thought I had spent too much money on the bed cap, ranch hand bumper and grill guard. I whined that it was only a meer 30% more, but I got the look. I can live without it these days. How do you like it? It could be improved a bit, but I like it. It allows me to actually use some of the space in the bed on a regular basis, which is why I got it. Things don't get stolen. And the deck is incredibly sturdy. No worries about throwing stuff in there on it, as long as it's not, like, sharp, 30-lb. rocks or something. You're supposed to put it all together and then lift it up into the bed as a unit, but for one dude with a bad back, that wasn't practical. I assembled it in halves, put each in the bed, and then bolted them together. Did you get it online? The place I got the other stuff the price included installation. Anyway,thanks for the review.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 25, 2024 12:47:19 GMT -5
I usually carry an old Krag carbine in 6.5 X 55 mm. Free to me. I added improved sights. If someone steals it they will have a hard time finding ammo. On the other hand, I have thought about a new barrel since the Jicarilla Apache gent who owned this before me cut it down to 18 inches and that is too short for the slow burning powder in these cartridges. 24 or 26 inches would be an improvement I think. Originally, it was up around 29 inches in length. Any opinions appreciated. Well. That 18" barrel is a lot handier than a 24 inch for sure. If you are concerned about the flash from using it at night, you could get a Lee Hand Loader and load some rounds down to 30-30 level. Cheapest and simplest way I can think of. The time to order the parts is the biggest delay. Probably cost a hundred bucks for everything.
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 25, 2024 12:55:37 GMT -5
It’s the powder type that makes for flash. If the guy who cut it down didn’t know what he was doing he’s probably ruined it. A good ‘smith might be able to cut it again and put a decent crown on it.
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 25, 2024 12:56:35 GMT -5
I usually carry an old Krag carbine in 6.5 X 55 mm. Free to me. I added improved sights. If someone steals it they will have a hard time finding ammo. On the other hand, I have thought about a new barrel since the Jicarilla Apache gent who owned this before me cut it down to 18 inches and that is too short for the slow burning powder in these cartridges. 24 or 26 inches would be an improvement I think. Originally, it was up around 29 inches in length. Any opinions appreciated. The cavalry carbine had a 22 inch barrel
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