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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 4:19:09 GMT -5
I recently purchased some SG 50g tins (less than a month ago, and 'purchased' as in I received them). As I read on another forum there were issues with the seal, which was denied by the SG as having been resolved, I tested the tins upon reception. They seemed ok. Being a thourough guy, I tested a couple yesterday, by just gently pulling on the lid, and, oops. The lids came off on both. So, for those who bought some recently as well, you might want to conduct some spot checks. It seems the issue was not solved, after all.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 6, 2022 6:30:16 GMT -5
Good to know. I've some tins too. I must have a wee check through them.
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Post by william on Jun 6, 2022 6:38:23 GMT -5
I recently purchased some Best Brown Flake and noticed that the tins were shrink wrapped in plastic. Upon opening, I was pleased to see that the vacuum seal was intact. But a few months ago I had several tins of Squadron Leader that all popped open with the slightest encouragement. I suppose caution is in order....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 8:06:13 GMT -5
I personally let my tobacco age in the tins. I only jar bulk tobacco and I very rarely buy it. So, the head's up is dependant on if one lets the tobacco age in the tins, or if, rather, it's being jarred shortly after reception. Now, I have some Cabbie's Mixture I bought last year, so I need to track those tins down and test the lids.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 6, 2022 8:26:43 GMT -5
I personally let my tobacco age in the tins. I only jar bulk tobacco and I very rarely buy it. So, the head's up is dependant on if one lets the tobacco age in the tins, or if, rather, it's being jarred shortly after reception. Now, I have some Cabbie's Mixture I bought last year, so I need to track those tins down and test the lids. I do the same. Jarring hasn't worked for me too well. Keeping it in the tins seems a much better option.
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Post by exbenedict on Jun 6, 2022 10:04:56 GMT -5
My new tins all were loose when received so I jarred them up. My older tins (couple of years) all still seem to be good and tight. Must be something new going on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 10:58:27 GMT -5
I personally let my tobacco age in the tins. I only jar bulk tobacco and I very rarely buy it. So, the head's up is dependant on if one lets the tobacco age in the tins, or if, rather, it's being jarred shortly after reception. Now, I have some Cabbie's Mixture I bought last year, so I need to track those tins down and test the lids. I do the same. Jarring hasn't worked for me too well. Keeping it in the tins seems a much better option. Jarring has not worked well for me, either, Andre. And, being old-fashioned, I find there's nothing better than opening a tin rather than a jar.
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Post by sperrytops on Jun 6, 2022 11:05:01 GMT -5
If it comes in a tin, I usually store it in a tin, at least until I open it and then it goes into a jar. My only SG is a couple of years old (before they combined with GH). I've had no problems with those tins.
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Post by william on Jun 6, 2022 11:27:11 GMT -5
I personally let my tobacco age in the tins. I only jar bulk tobacco and I very rarely buy it. So, the head's up is dependant on if one lets the tobacco age in the tins, or if, rather, it's being jarred shortly after reception. Now, I have some Cabbie's Mixture I bought last year, so I need to track those tins down and test the lids. I do the same. Jarring hasn't worked for me too well. Keeping it in the tins seems a much better option. I err on the side of caution. So although most of the tobacco in my modest "cellar" is still in the tins, about 1/4 of it is jarred. Any "favorite" of mine (which is really only about 10 different tobaccos) gets represented in the Ball jar section. We will see....
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 6, 2022 11:28:06 GMT -5
I recently purchased some SG 50g tins (less than a month ago, and 'purchased' as in I received them). As I read on another forum there were issues with the seal, which was denied by the SG as having been resolved, I tested the tins upon reception. They seemed ok. Being a thourough guy, I tested a couple yesterday, by just gently pulling on the lid, and, oops. The lids came off on both. So, for those who bought some recently as well, you might want to conduct some spot checks. It seems the issue was not solved, after all. I always seal the square tins in mylar bags as soon as I receive them.
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Post by sperrytops on Jun 6, 2022 11:44:18 GMT -5
I recently purchased some SG 50g tins (less than a month ago, and 'purchased' as in I received them). As I read on another forum there were issues with the seal, which was denied by the SG as having been resolved, I tested the tins upon reception. They seemed ok. Being a thourough guy, I tested a couple yesterday, by just gently pulling on the lid, and, oops. The lids came off on both. So, for those who bought some recently as well, you might want to conduct some spot checks. It seems the issue was not solved, after all. I always seal the square tins in mylar bags as soon as I receive them. Good idea. I've read the square tins are iffy on the seal. A couple I opened had mold on the tobacco. I believe that's why they switched to all round tins these days, that as well as they only need to carry one type of tin in inventory instead of two.
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Post by turbocat on Jun 6, 2022 12:58:09 GMT -5
All bulk I buy and tins that I am smoking get jarred, but due to mild paranoia and obsessive behavior, I vacuum seal all tins when I get them if I'm not going to open them within 4-6 months using a Foodsaver as an extra precaution, not just SG but all. What I have found interesting is that when I open a vacuum sealed bag with a sealed tin in it, I get a mild to strong whiff of the tobacco, so apparently even sealed tins are still experiencing some gas exchange and leaking, probably only a very minor amount, but it still seems to be happening. This only seems to justify and encourage my paranoia and obsessiveness.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 13:09:28 GMT -5
I recently purchased some SG 50g tins (less than a month ago, and 'purchased' as in I received them). As I read on another forum there were issues with the seal, which was denied by the SG as having been resolved, I tested the tins upon reception. They seemed ok. Being a thourough guy, I tested a couple yesterday, by just gently pulling on the lid, and, oops. The lids came off on both. So, for those who bought some recently as well, you might want to conduct some spot checks. It seems the issue was not solved, after all. I always seal the square tins in mylar bags as soon as I receive them. I never had the discipline to do it, but have been lucky, so far. I have University Flake, Irish Flake, Erinmore Flake, Wessex Brown Flake, Burley Slice, etc., in the old rectangular tins, some dating back to 2010, and I've had no issues when opening them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 13:10:40 GMT -5
I always seal the square tins in mylar bags as soon as I receive them. Good idea. I've read the square tins are iffy on the seal. A couple I opened had mold on the tobacco. I believe that's why they switched to all round tins these days, that as well as they only need to carry one type of tin in inventory instead of two. And I bet the round tins are less expensive to produce.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 13:12:46 GMT -5
My new tins all were loose when received so I jarred them up. My older tins (couple of years) all still seem to be good and tight. Must be something new going on. SG/GH had to work with a new tin producer 3 years back, or so, as their previous partner went out of business, or shut down, I can't remember clearly. There have been issues since.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 6, 2022 13:31:29 GMT -5
All bulk I buy and tins that I am smoking get jarred, but due to mild paranoia and obsessive behavior, I vacuum seal all tins when I get them if I'm not going to open them within 4-6 months using a Foodsaver as an extra precaution, not just SG but all. What I have found interesting is that when I open a vacuum sealed bag with a sealed tin in it, I get a mild to strong whiff of the tobacco, so apparently even sealed tins are still experiencing some gas exchange and leaking, probably only a very minor amount, but it still seems to be happening. This only seems to justify and encourage my paranoia and obsessiveness. When I open a bag with the rectangular tins they always have a strong odor, but the round tins rarely have any smell at all.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 6, 2022 14:15:32 GMT -5
I recently purchased some SG 50g tins (less than a month ago, and 'purchased' as in I received them). As I read on another forum there were issues with the seal, which was denied by the SG as having been resolved, I tested the tins upon reception. They seemed ok. Being a thourough guy, I tested a couple yesterday, by just gently pulling on the lid, and, oops. The lids came off on both. So, for those who bought some recently as well, you might want to conduct some spot checks. It seems the issue was not solved, after all. I always seal the square tins in mylar bags as soon as I receive them. I should try that too.
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Post by Zach on Jun 6, 2022 16:50:21 GMT -5
I recently purchased some SG 50g tins (less than a month ago, and 'purchased' as in I received them). As I read on another forum there were issues with the seal, which was denied by the SG as having been resolved, I tested the tins upon reception. They seemed ok. Being a thourough guy, I tested a couple yesterday, by just gently pulling on the lid, and, oops. The lids came off on both. So, for those who bought some recently as well, you might want to conduct some spot checks. It seems the issue was not solved, after all. I had more than 30 SG tins the past 2 years where the lid was already no seal, or slightly pulling on it and they popped just like that. The square tins are not to be trusted long term. That said, I have many that are around the 10 year or more mark and they're, knock on wood, alright.
And not only do the square tins hold a poor seal, but once they're opened they do not close again either. You have to smoke it all up that week or jar it anyway.
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Post by Rattlesnake Daddy on Jun 6, 2022 18:50:06 GMT -5
Thank you,
I have a few tins down in the cellar that I just checked. They seem to be okay at this time, but I might need to look into a longer term solution.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 6, 2022 19:14:07 GMT -5
I have never had an issue with square tins, but I decided to heed the warnings....too many reputable people have sounded the alarm. 
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Post by Zach on Jun 6, 2022 19:21:37 GMT -5
I have a good bit more I'm keeping and eye on, sort of, over the near term because I did not want to open and jar all the tins. I loosely pulled on them all, found the already opened or loose and jarred those but I should give them a check again in a few months. Just checked most a couple weeks back reorganizing the cellar. The tins prior to 2018 or so seem to have more staying power.
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Post by Gypo on Jun 6, 2022 19:41:26 GMT -5
I have never had an issue with square tins, but I decided to heed the warnings....too many reputable people have sounded the alarm.  Thank you for sealing them up tight before you drop them in the mail to head my way.
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Post by rectifythis on Aug 10, 2022 19:18:05 GMT -5
Any recent production SG tins I've purchased have opened with the lightest touch. I vacuum seal all Gawith tins for good measure.
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Post by cigrmaster on Aug 11, 2022 14:31:08 GMT -5
I have hundreds of square, round and some rectangles and not once has a tin failed. Most all of mine are from 2012-2013. All my tins are kept in temp and humidity controlled environment. No big swings with temp or humidity as in my opinion tins that are subject to big swings in both are a main cause of failure.
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Post by gawithhoggarth on Sept 22, 2022 12:54:20 GMT -5
Every single tin leaving the factory is vacuumed sealed and then has a heat sealed anti-tamper strip put round it. Around 2 to 3 years ago the tin manufacturer we used suddenly stopped supplying through the usual channels so we had to find an alternative. We did find a tin and tested it and all seemed fine. We ordered a container full as this is the minimum order and so there were thousands and thousands of tins received. Due to the design (3 little notches on the side) it meant that a good tight seal could not always be maintained over time. Therefore we went back to the drawing board and designed a whole new tin which has strips to catch the lid on all 4 sides. It is very difficult to produce a square or rectangular tin that is perfect all the way around and so seals perfectly. It is much easier with round tins due to the way they are produced but round tins are more expensive to make and do not stack well for transport or on shelves in retailers. And SG and GH have historically been in rectangular tins and so we want to stick with this. The new tin design seals well. It should not need a massive tug to get the lid off (then we get complaints the tins are too hard to open) and just because the lid comes off relatively easily does not mean it is not vacuumed sealed. BUT we do not design tins and make tobacco for long term storage. This is a relatively new trend, mostly in the States. We always advice anyone wanting to do this to store in a different container or vacuum pack the tins into bags. And in a humidity and temperature controlled environment.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 22, 2022 12:58:09 GMT -5
Every single tin leaving the factory is vacuumed sealed and then has a heat sealed anti-tamper strip put round it. Around 2 to 3 years ago the tin manufacturer we used suddenly stopped supplying through the usual channels so we had to find an alternative. We did find a tin and tested it and all seemed fine. We ordered a container full as this is the minimum order and so there were thousands and thousands of tins received. Due to the design (3 little notches on the side) it meant that a good tight seal could not always be maintained over time. Therefore we went back to the drawing board and designed a whole new tin which has strips to catch the lid on all 4 sides. It is very difficult to produce a square or rectangular tin that is perfect all the way around and so seals perfectly. It is much easier with round tins due to the way they are produced but round tins are more expensive to make and do not stack well for transport or on shelves in retailers. And SG and GH have historically been in rectangular tins and so we want to stick with this. The new tin design seals well. It should not need a massive tug to get the lid off (then we get complaints the tins are too hard to open) and just because the lid comes off relatively easily does not mean it is not vacuumed sealed. BUT we do not design tins and make tobacco for long term storage. This is a relatively new trend, mostly in the States. We always advice anyone wanting to do this to store in a different container or vacuum pack the tins into bags. And in a humidity and temperature controlled environment. What a great post. 👍
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Post by trailboss on Sept 22, 2022 19:09:12 GMT -5
Thank you Rachel, and thanks for supplying us with some of the best blends on the planet! A container of SG tins…. Is an insane amount of tins! From Rachel’s introductory post some time back, even I can properly evaluate a blend with questions in this format. 😉 docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd4sF4R5sTU0BwoXh4aARo8KTNUzJ-RxoDQJsJ2-REW-fQ2og/viewformUnfortunately, none of these were ever seen near my hacienda….👺 It pretty much ends the conversation about whether or not to seal square tins for long term storage…. I like the square tins.
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