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Post by trailboss on Aug 21, 2022 17:37:51 GMT -5
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Post by mgtarheel on Aug 21, 2022 18:01:55 GMT -5
Someone will clean them up and they will hit the market.
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Post by trailboss on Aug 21, 2022 18:08:32 GMT -5
Yeah, the last paragraph: “ The best way to stay appraised of what is currently available is to visit the RTI website and sign up for email alerts. You just never know what will show up next from Ethiopia or when the last of it will be absorbed into the collector market.” www.royaltigerimports.com/ |
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Post by Rattlesnake Daddy on Aug 21, 2022 19:22:08 GMT -5
Wouldn't mind getting my hands on one of those.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 21, 2022 20:22:21 GMT -5
Wow! That stack of jungle carbines is like 10 times the number that were previously known to exist. I had a M95 and it was a very well made rifle that would loosen your teeth.
Very sad what's happened to Ethiopia, a once proud and powerful empire.
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Post by toshtego on Aug 21, 2022 23:31:42 GMT -5
Wow! That stack of jungle carbines is like 10 times the number that were previously known to exist. I had a M95 and it was a very well made rifle that would loosen your teeth. Very sad what's happened to Ethiopia, a once proud and powerful empire. I always admired the SMLE Jungle Carbine. I would not mind owning one if the price was reasonable. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 22, 2022 10:20:03 GMT -5
Wow! That stack of jungle carbines is like 10 times the number that were previously known to exist. I had a M95 and it was a very well made rifle that would loosen your teeth. Very sad what's happened to Ethiopia, a once proud and powerful empire. I always admired the SMLE Jungle Carbine. I would not mind owning one if the price was reasonable. Several years ago a couple of companies were taking the cheap Enfields and making fake jungle carbines out of them. It was thought that no more existed. I hear that they really don't have any redeeming social value and they are very unpleasant to shoot. They do look cool though. |
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Post by toshtego on Aug 22, 2022 10:35:25 GMT -5
I always admired the SMLE Jungle Carbine. I would not mind owning one if the price was reasonable. Several years ago a couple of companies were taking the cheap Enfields and making fake jungle carbines out of them. It was thought that no more existed. I hear that they really don't have any redeeming social value and they are very unpleasant to shoot. They do look cool though. I wonder if modern propellants have changed that experience any? The old Nitro Cellulose in mil-spec ammo I recall from the 1960s was fairly fast burning, I think. Could be wrong. It was a long time ago. |
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Post by Plainsman on Aug 22, 2022 11:09:11 GMT -5
Those JCs had lots of problems beyond the recoil. A brake might help but won’t completely solve that problem. Mainly, it was notoriously inaccurate.
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Post by trailboss on Aug 22, 2022 12:00:03 GMT -5
“The No. 5 was quite popular with the troops and was even proposed to replace the No. 4 in general service, but the “Jungle Carbine” was plagued by a “wandering zero” problem that proved to be the handy little rifle’s undoing. After much investigation, the accuracy problem was found to be “inherent in the design,” and the No. 5 was declared obsolete in July 1947, though some of the rifles were produced through the end of the year. ” www.americanrifleman.org/content/lee-enfield-no-5-jungle-carbine-an-exploded-view/ |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 22, 2022 13:34:07 GMT -5
“The No. 5 was quite popular with the troops and was even proposed to replace the No. 4 in general service, but the “Jungle Carbine” was plagued by a “wandering zero” problem that proved to be the handy little rifle’s undoing. After much investigation, the accuracy problem was found to be “inherent in the design,” and the No. 5 was declared obsolete in July 1947, though some of the rifles were produced through the end of the year. ” www.americanrifleman.org/content/lee-enfield-no-5-jungle-carbine-an-exploded-view/I had a #3 for about a week. It was ugly and inaccurate and I made a few bucks on it. |
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Post by Plainsman on Aug 22, 2022 14:29:15 GMT -5
“Only accurate rifles are interesting.” —Col. Townsend Whelan
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Post by adui on Aug 22, 2022 14:39:53 GMT -5
I dunno, I'd like to have one just to have it in my collection. Which is to say to start a collection LOL!
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Post by Plainsman on Aug 22, 2022 17:05:30 GMT -5
I suspect those Ethiopian JCs will be on the market (barring Dem interference) in a couple of years. At the right price and cleaned up they would probably go over well. Frustrating that no one reveals WHAT the structural problems behind the “wandering zero” (a euphemism for an inaccurate rifle) actually were. I suspect a bedding issue re stock and barrel, made worse by recoil due to poor stock design. But never being able to examine one I can’t say. Long ago I coveted one, but no more.
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Post by adui on Aug 22, 2022 20:55:59 GMT -5
I suspect those Ethiopian JCs will be on the market (barring Dem interference) in a couple of years. At the right price and cleaned up they would probably go over well. Frustrating that no one reveals WHAT the structural problems behind the “wandering zero” (a euphemism for an inaccurate rifle) actually were. I suspect a bedding issue re stock and barrel, made worse by recoil due to poor stock design. But never being able to examine one I can’t say. Long ago I coveted one, but no more. Interesting thoughts... If I get a chance to have one I'll hopefully remember this! Improper bedding can be fixed, and it is worth a try. Though if I buy one to actually collect I'll likely leave it stock military. |
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Post by Plainsman on Aug 22, 2022 21:04:27 GMT -5
I suspect those Ethiopian JCs will be on the market (barring Dem interference) in a couple of years. At the right price and cleaned up they would probably go over well. Frustrating that no one reveals WHAT the structural problems behind the “wandering zero” (a euphemism for an inaccurate rifle) actually were. I suspect a bedding issue re stock and barrel, made worse by recoil due to poor stock design. But never being able to examine one I can’t say. Long ago I coveted one, but no more. Interesting thoughts... If I get a chance to have one I'll hopefully remember this! Improper bedding can be fixed, and it is worth a try. Though if I buy one to actually collect I'll likely leave it stock military. Bedding, if you did it, would not show. |
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Post by adui on Aug 22, 2022 21:11:20 GMT -5
Good to know. I'd have to check with collectors to see if that sort of thing is going to affect its value. Most likely if I can get one I won't mind anyhow, as much as I like a piece of history I've never liked having a firearm I can't use, and accuracy problems make it limited use. I guess that's the difference between a firearms enthusiast and a true collector...
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Post by Plainsman on Aug 22, 2022 21:39:42 GMT -5
Good to know. I'd have to check with collectors to see if that sort of thing is going to affect its value. Most likely if I can get one I won't mind anyhow, as much as I like a piece of history I've never liked having a firearm I can't use, and accuracy problems make it limited use. I guess that's the difference between a firearms enthusiast and a true collector... I don’t think JCs are ever going to be highly sought by collectors. Especially if the Ethiopians sell theirs. Bedding wouldn’t make a difference in value IMO. |
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Post by toshtego on Aug 23, 2022 14:40:33 GMT -5
I am sorry to learn the picturesque SMLE Jungle Carbine is such a lousy weapon. I remember so many photos of them from the war. Highly collectable in the 1960.
Those French and Swiss rifles... I suppose somebody would want one or two.
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Post by Plainsman on Aug 23, 2022 16:07:36 GMT -5
This will not be the “last great cache.” There are many, many thousands of 19th and early 20th century Mausers all through South America. China has huge stockpiles of obsolete weaponry, not they’re going to sell them to their enemies. Russia has vast quantities of Czarist weaponry. We’ll be seeing more of this as the years roll on.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 23, 2022 21:07:33 GMT -5
I suspect those Ethiopian JCs will be on the market (barring Dem interference) in a couple of years. At the right price and cleaned up they would probably go over well. Frustrating that no one reveals WHAT the structural problems behind the “wandering zero” (a euphemism for an inaccurate rifle) actually were. I suspect a bedding issue re stock and barrel, made worse by recoil due to poor stock design. But never being able to examine one I can’t say. Long ago I coveted one, but no more. I think that fear is a factor on that rifle. Fear of shooting it. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 23, 2022 21:10:10 GMT -5
I am sorry to learn the picturesque SMLE Jungle Carbine is such a lousy weapon. I remember so many photos of them from the war. Highly collectable in the 1960. Those French and Swiss rifles... I suppose somebody would want one or two. I wanted a MAS for a long time. I got over it. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 23, 2022 21:11:49 GMT -5
I suspect those Ethiopian JCs will be on the market (barring Dem interference) in a couple of years. At the right price and cleaned up they would probably go over well. Frustrating that no one reveals WHAT the structural problems behind the “wandering zero” (a euphemism for an inaccurate rifle) actually were. I suspect a bedding issue re stock and barrel, made worse by recoil due to poor stock design. But never being able to examine one I can’t say. Long ago I coveted one, but no more. Interesting thoughts... If I get a chance to have one I'll hopefully remember this! Improper bedding can be fixed, and it is worth a try. Though if I buy one to actually collect I'll likely leave it stock military. I think it would be a good fit for a Boyd's thumb hole stock in red white and blue laminate! 😁 |
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