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Post by Darin on Jul 16, 2023 8:56:38 GMT -5
Mostly ugly ... dude, you're going to glorify a KKK Grand Wizard? 🤯 Not everyone who fought for the south was a demon. That's my point. There's got to be better choices for "best" soldiers. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 16, 2023 9:40:30 GMT -5
Not everyone who fought for the south was a demon. That's my point. There's got to be better choices for "best" soldiers. Well, the best I can say for him is that he was good at his job. My favorite Confederate is John H Reagan. He was against succession and served as Postmaster General of the Confederacy. A reasonable, intelligent and peaceful man. And Sam Houston of course. When he lost the vote to remain in the union, he resigned from the governor's office. He died thinking he was a failure. |
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Post by terrapinflyer on Jul 17, 2023 6:53:56 GMT -5
Cripes.
His job:
One of the biggest traders of human beings in Tennessee.
Tried to destroy the United States.
Was first leader of a racist terrorist organization that continues to terrorize a century and a half later.
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Post by toshtego on Jul 17, 2023 8:39:18 GMT -5
Cripes. His job: One of the biggest traders of human beings in Tennessee. Tried to destroy the United States. Was first leader of a racist terrorist organization that continues to terrorize a century and a half later. None of these are reasons preventing the study of history. Many of us have read the biography of A. Hitler and the Third Reich. That does not mean we endorse his actions or support his "thinking". An understanding of the War Between the States means understanding the people who organized and supported the secession. For example, Alexander Stevens "Keynote Speech" is vital to this, as odious as his views on racial superiority are. |
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Post by Darin on Jul 17, 2023 8:59:14 GMT -5
Yes, I've read much about Hitler. Enough to never use words like "great" or "best" when describing him. Perhaps monstrous or evil would come to mind.
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Post by terrapinflyer on Jul 17, 2023 9:04:13 GMT -5
Cripes. His job: One of the biggest traders of human beings in Tennessee. Tried to destroy the United States. Was first leader of a racist terrorist organization that continues to terrorize a century and a half later. None of these are reasons preventing the study of history. Many of us have read the biography of A. Hitler and the Third Reich. That does not mean we endorse his actions or support his "thinking". An understanding of the War Between the States means understanding the people who organized and supported the secession. For example, Alexander Stevens "Keynote Speech" is vital to this, as odious as his views on racial superiority are. I agree. My point was that this man was not great. Clearly I would not know that he was a racist traitor had I not studied history. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 17, 2023 12:58:18 GMT -5
Lots of people are trying to destroy the United States these days, mostly would be "victims", who are mostly victims of their own actions and attitudes.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 17, 2023 13:00:37 GMT -5
That's my point. There's got to be better choices for "best" soldiers. Well, the best I can say for him is that he was good at his job. My favorite Confederate is John H Reagan. He was against succession and served as Postmaster General of the Confederacy. A reasonable, intelligent and peaceful man. And Sam Houston of course. When he lost the vote to remain in the union, he resigned from the governor's office. He died thinking he was a failure. I should have mentioned that Sam Houston had nothing to do with the Confederacy at all. He had one slave who later wrote his biography. |
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Post by toshtego on Jul 17, 2023 13:14:04 GMT -5
Well, the best I can say for him is that he was good at his job. My favorite Confederate is John H Reagan. He was against succession and served as Postmaster General of the Confederacy. A reasonable, intelligent and peaceful man. And Sam Houston of course. When he lost the vote to remain in the union, he resigned from the governor's office. He died thinking he was a failure. I should have mentioned that Sam Houston had nothing to do with the Confederacy at all. He had one slave who later wrote his biography. The same with the most noble Roman, Cicero. |
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Post by terrapinflyer on Jul 18, 2023 10:01:59 GMT -5
On victim hood:
Daisy Barr, KKK Empresss, exactly 100 years ago: whites will be a minority in America within a generation or two.
So it's still the same people in power today who claim victim hood and blame the people they oppress for their failures. We destroyed our middle class and let corporations govern us, but it's easier to act like a victim of people who weren't born into the proper caste and have no real power.
That's not a new thing in America, though. Centuries of white Christian hegemony was always in imminent peril from the sneaky Jews in Europe. Now we've repurposed Jewish blood libel for other groups. Same hate, same imagined persecution, same think-of-the-children pearl clutching.
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Post by Darin on Jul 18, 2023 11:19:38 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 18, 2023 11:51:19 GMT -5
Well, this is going off the rails. This is why we can't have nice things.
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Post by toshtego on Jul 18, 2023 11:58:15 GMT -5
Touching on political speech which is verboten in the Patch. Still, I agree with Terrapin for what it is worth.
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Post by terrapinflyer on Jul 18, 2023 12:58:35 GMT -5
After one of the members here threatened me, accused me of sex crimes against children, and told me I do not have a right to exist outside my home (because he identifies as a libertarian, of all excuses!) a mod told me there was nothing that could be done about hate speech and slander here.
So I'm going to call out ignorant takes. It's all I got.
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Post by terrapinflyer on Jul 18, 2023 14:36:44 GMT -5
I left you alone when you asked me to. You refused to have a private discussion with me. Yet you still pile on my posts and then bang your high chair with your sippy cup and blame me when you're called out.
I was here long before you and there wasn't a problem. You are a bully.
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Post by Darin on Jul 18, 2023 16:13:32 GMT -5
Well, just to clarify, it was my post that implied better choices than a kkk member to call "great" or "best". Certainly not because I'm scared of them but, rather, find it incredulous they can still find members in this era of knowledge.
A couple observations ... the OP that started this hasn't even replied once. Secondly, this site is completely unmoderated now. The only one that even used to show up when needed hasn't been online in about 3 weeks. Even more absent is the site owner who I haven't heard from in a couple years, at least.
We are expected to behave in an appropriate manner and manage quite well most of the time. However, there will be conflicts due to ideologies and world views that don't align. If everyone dug as deeply into compassion and understanding as they do their own narrow opinions we would all benefit and learn.
Peace ✌
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Post by toshtego on Jul 18, 2023 17:07:15 GMT -5
What Darin wrote is what I agree with.
Let us have peace in the Patch. This is our refuge from the chaos elsewhere, at least for me.
Anyone know what happened to our Paddy?
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Post by terrapinflyer on Jul 18, 2023 17:42:38 GMT -5
I'm into peace. Let's do that. I'll take a break. I do come here for a respite, as well. I work with folks in my community and see what hate does. I'm compelled to call out hate when I see it, not because I want attention, but because evil flourishes when good people do nothing. And evil is in full bloom in my neck of the woods.
Ron, I called a group of folks here incels, in jest, when they were complaining that women artisans charging more than men for their work. It was not directed at you. I sincerely apologize that I hurt your feelings. I'm pretty sure I have already apologized to you abouut the comment, but I may be wrong. Either way, I am sorry.
Please, carry on.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 18, 2023 21:32:12 GMT -5
I'm into peace. Let's do that. I'll take a break. I do come here for a respite, as well. I work with folks in my community and see what hate does. I'm compelled to call out hate when I see it, not because I want attention, but because evil flourishes when good people do nothing. And evil is in full bloom in my neck of the woods. Ron, I called a group of folks here incels, in jest, when they were complaining that women artisans charging more than men for their work. It was not directed at you. I sincerely apologize that I hurt your feelings. I'm pretty sure I have already apologized to you abouut the comment, but I may be wrong. Either way, I am sorry. Please, carry on. Let's let it go. I don't have anything against you, but I do get riled too easily. You stay, I'm taking a break. |
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Post by trailboss on Jul 18, 2023 21:51:53 GMT -5
I for one, enjoy the back and forth and appreciate the fact that forum participants are good at self moderating.
It is always good to hear different points of view, and allow it to challenge our own points of view.
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Post by Zach on Jul 23, 2023 16:09:04 GMT -5
What are you reading? Books. I don’t get the incessant urge to bring politics into this thread. And it’s always about some dumb Southern related bullshit, too. Forget about it already.
Moving on!
I’d recently finished William Gibson’s Spook Country, then Zero History. A weird thing happened where I checked out Spook Country from the library and finished it, then a couple weeks later, the library put the hardback in excellent condition out for sale for only 25 cents in the “Friend’s of the Library” sale section. I was blown away. Bought it as soon as my daughter found it on the sale shelf. Today, I also found a perfect hardback of Zero History at a Goodwill store and bought it. I recently finished Ray Bradbury’s I Sing The Body Electric!
I started William Gibson’s I Distrust That Particular Flavor as well as Alessandro Barbero’s Dante: A Life, which gives a mostly full account of Dante Alighieri’s lifetime and influences, references od the landscape during the time of his life, his historical circumstances described.
I’ve picked up stacks of others to start soon as well, including David Foster Wallace’s Infinite Jest, Charles Dickens The Pickwick Papers, a similar reference guide for Boccacio, Gibson’s The Peripheral, and I’m slowly reading along the book on Late Antiquity I got weeks ago. More updates coming soon.
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Post by jeffd on Jul 28, 2023 11:07:01 GMT -5
I picked up a Chacom pipe, which has been wonderful to smoke.
I have done some reading about the history of Chacom, Comoy, and of pipe making in Saint Claude. Wow. Some sources relate that it was Saint Claude pipe makers that first tried briar for making pipes sometime in 1856. Before that the only wooden option was boxwood. And lots of folks smoked clay.
Saint Claude became the so called capital of pipe making.
Fascinating stuff. Someone should write a book.
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Post by jeffd on Jul 28, 2023 11:13:50 GMT -5
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Post by mgtarheel on Jul 28, 2023 22:53:35 GMT -5
"Raylan" by Elmore Leonard
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Post by toshtego on Jul 29, 2023 12:36:48 GMT -5
"Raylan" by Elmore Leonard Elmore is always a good read. |
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Post by Zach on Jul 31, 2023 21:55:47 GMT -5
Starting David Foster Wallace’s Infinite Jest.
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Post by mgtarheel on Jul 31, 2023 22:15:26 GMT -5
"Fire in the Hole" by Elmore Leonard
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Post by jeffd on Aug 1, 2023 17:31:15 GMT -5
After looking around, it's not so bad. I assume you refer to the moral decay, degeneration, degradation, and disorganization of more liberal states which have eliminated state laws and their enforcement concerning Cannabis? Those places where Hippies run wild spreading flower seeds and engaging publicly in private behavior? Well... I have a friend who is fanatical about fishing. He must fish 200 days a year. Anyway, he made a comment about employment that crappy jobs are easy to find, and if you don't need much to live on you can always find work enough to keep you fishing. (He wrote a book on fishing too, that brings in some bit of regular money.) He especially commented on cities where mary jane has recently been legalized. He relates that such a city, close to significant trout waters, is a dream come true. It seems all you have to do is show up sober and on time and you can get most any job. |
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Post by urbino on Aug 3, 2023 0:51:39 GMT -5
I'm browsing through Ted Gioia's The Jazz Standards.
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Post by trailboss on Aug 4, 2023 19:09:20 GMT -5
NASPC- North American Society of Pipe Collectors quarterly magazine.
Always a good read!
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