tweedandbriar
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Post by tweedandbriar on Apr 27, 2023 13:30:06 GMT -5
Hello everyone,
Have you ever looked forward to a tobacco, only to be woefully disappointed with it? I am experiencing just that with Early Morning Pipe. Given how much I love Presbyterian Mix, I thought this would be a slower start to the day. Now it may well just be my palate - but it smokes and smells like I have filled my bowel with the contents of 5 crushed Red Marlboro....
...am I smoking it too dry or too moist? I have tried both but get zero flavour. I am not looking for it to be as aromatic as Pres Mix or 965 etc....but its currently a massive let-down.
Thoughts....?
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Post by Spartacus on Apr 27, 2023 13:49:30 GMT -5
Before you cash it in try it in a few different size bowls.
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Post by turbocat on Apr 27, 2023 13:57:37 GMT -5
To begin with, I’ve never tried EMP. I hate early mornings and the simple connotation was enough for me to always pass it by. Second, I have found that when looking forward to a blend, it’s rarely as good as I was hoping, even if I like it a lot, but then again, that seems to be a pitfall of expectations in general. Lastly, and I think most smokers would agree, tastes in tobacco change over time and experiences smoking different blends, often radically. I would suggest an often repeated recommendation to jar it and try it again in six months or a year.
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 27, 2023 14:05:52 GMT -5
I've found EMP that little bit too heavy with latakia. Presbyterian mix has a subtle amount present. EMP has it in a much higher quantity.
That said, as time went on, I grew to appreciate EMP. Maybe if you tried Old Dublin for a while, EMP might seem a little more palatable.
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Post by trailboss on Apr 27, 2023 14:06:11 GMT -5
^I agree with the first responders.😉 English blends tend to smoke better in a larger bowled pipe to me, the flavors develop better. Some blends benefit by sitting for a few days after cracking the tin.
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Post by Darin on Apr 27, 2023 14:15:51 GMT -5
Usually, if I'm getting a nasty cigarette flavor from a Va based blend, it's because I'm smoking too fast. That being said, I didn't care for the new EMP as much as the original.
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Post by urbino on Apr 27, 2023 18:20:17 GMT -5
I guess I'll wear this one, since I mentioned EMP in your thread about blends similar to Presbyterian. A cigarette taste is usually associated with high burley content, which EMP doesn't have, so I'm a bit flummoxed. That said, everybody's taster is different. If it tastes like cigarettes to you, that's what it tastes like.
I'd second the suggestion to jar it up and try it again in a few months.
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Post by trailboss on Apr 27, 2023 18:48:56 GMT -5
I don’t think burley is responsible for the cigaretty taste, Virginias dominate the cigarette fuel, Marlboro’s are Virginia forward with burley and orientals in a supporting role.
I am thinking that the cigaretty taste is more from their processing practices.
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 27, 2023 20:26:48 GMT -5
I tried a sample someone sent me when I was just getting started and I didn't care for it much. I still have it in a jar and I will try it again. I smoke a lot of stuff now that I wouldn't touch 10 years ago.
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Post by urbino on Apr 27, 2023 20:34:50 GMT -5
Interesting. I've always heard cigs are mostly burley. Searching for information on the subject, I'm finding that most burley is used in cigs, but nothing on whether or not cigs are mostly burley. Those aren't the same thing. Most Ecuadoran Sumatra tobacco is used in cigars, but cigars are not mostly Ecuadoran Sumatra.
Although I'm not finding anything that actually says this, I would imagine most Virginia is used in cigs, too, just by the sheer volume of cigs produced compared to any other tobacco product. That wouldn't tell me cigs are mostly Virginias.
So, based on that 2 minutes of searching, at least, I don't know what the predominant tobacco in cigs is. All I can say is I've always heard it's burley.
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Post by trailboss on Apr 27, 2023 20:43:43 GMT -5
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Post by urbino on Apr 27, 2023 20:56:22 GMT -5
Helpful, but not really clear on the point, either. There are Virginia cigs (which I didn't know, so that's useful), but the blended ones have the lion's share of the market in this country, and the page doesn't address the proportions of the 3 tobaccos in those.
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 27, 2023 21:06:30 GMT -5
Helpful, but not really clear on the point, either. There are Virginia cigs (which I didn't know, so that's useful), but the blended ones have the lion's share of the market in this country, and the page doesn't address the proportions of the 3 tobaccos in those. I believe that's because the chemicals make up most of the smoke and the individual tobaccos are less than 2%.😉
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Post by Zach on Apr 27, 2023 21:17:09 GMT -5
Interesting. I've always heard cigs are mostly burley. Searching for information on the subject, I'm finding that most burley is used in cigs, but nothing on whether or not cigs are mostly burley. Those aren't the same thing. Most Ecuadoran Sumatra tobacco is used in cigars, but cigars are not mostly Ecuadoran Sumatra. Although I'm not finding anything that actually says this, I would imagine most Virginia is used in cigs, too, just by the sheer volume of cigs produced compared to any other tobacco product. That wouldn't tell me cigs are mostly Virginias. So, based on that 2 minutes of searching, at least, I don't know what the predominant tobacco in cigs is. All I can say is I've always heard it's burley. Cigarettes are burley/VA mixes and some foreign brands, like Turkish cigarettes will use VA/Oriental. The reality though is that about half of your average American cigarette is actually close to 50% reconstituted "mother's liquor" which is pulverized and liquified floor sweepings, mostly stems, that then have adulterants added for burn rate and nicotine absorption. The rest of what goes in a cigarette is a typical burley/Virginia mix.
I do believe the majority of a cigarette blend tends to be flue cured bright Virginia, though. Camel's and others, more burley and Turkish.
I've never smoked a pipe tobacco yet that has tasted like a cigarette, though. I think it's funny when people smoke burley blends and whine that it tastes like a cigarette. Often they don't like the bitter and earthy flavor of natural burley.
As to the original post I'd say put the Early Morning Pipe away in a mason jar for several months or years and come back to it. Your tastes will change and a year or so of age on the blend will change the profile.
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Post by urbino on Apr 27, 2023 21:23:19 GMT -5
Interesting. I've always heard cigs are mostly burley. Searching for information on the subject, I'm finding that most burley is used in cigs, but nothing on whether or not cigs are mostly burley. Those aren't the same thing. Most Ecuadoran Sumatra tobacco is used in cigars, but cigars are not mostly Ecuadoran Sumatra. Although I'm not finding anything that actually says this, I would imagine most Virginia is used in cigs, too, just by the sheer volume of cigs produced compared to any other tobacco product. That wouldn't tell me cigs are mostly Virginias. So, based on that 2 minutes of searching, at least, I don't know what the predominant tobacco in cigs is. All I can say is I've always heard it's burley. I think it's funny when people smoke burley blends and whine that it tastes like a cigarette. I've never heard anybody whine about it. Things taste different to different people.
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Post by Zach on Apr 27, 2023 21:25:41 GMT -5
I think it's funny when people smoke burley blends and whine that it tastes like a cigarette. I've never heard anybody whine about it. Things taste different to different people. Then you've not read enough 1-star tobacco reviews. Yes, people have varying tastes.
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Post by username on Apr 27, 2023 21:25:49 GMT -5
I've been in a similar dilemma for a bit. slowly working my way thru this tin of bankside it just has not clicked for me, tonight i decided to just put it back in the cellar as life to short to mess with something I'm not enjoying when I have a wealth of other blends i already enjoy.
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Post by Zach on Apr 27, 2023 21:27:51 GMT -5
Oh I forgot to mention the Mother's Liquor process. After the tobacco stems are reconstituted and liquefied with the floor scraps it's dried out in long sheets. Then it's chopped up into thin strips to look like tobacco ribbon. That's what half a cigarette is. PH adjusting chems, burn rate chems, and extra nicotine are added to the liquid before it's dried.
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Post by isett2860 on Apr 28, 2023 6:50:38 GMT -5
As a new pipe smoker 6 years or so ago. Not knowing, I bought 2 tins of Dunhill EMP. Why? Because so many said it was one of the best. I didn’t like it very much. It wasn’t the latakia, that’s for sure. Because I loved Nightcap. So taking the advise of many of those here. I dis as I was told here. Lol. I jarred the open tin, buried the 2nd tin deep in the cellar. And continue your journey and revisit it later. Which I did, about 2 years later. Was it age on the jar? My tastes had changed? I understood it better? Who knows, but I did find it much more enjoyable. Will I chase it? No, but that 2nd tin is still buried in the cellar. And waiting for the day I retire.
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Post by trailboss on Apr 29, 2023 14:40:56 GMT -5
^Similar story for me.
Dunhill by the pound was incredibly cheap some years back, and I bought it in bulk, Nightcap, My Mixture 965, EMP. Mostly all in 2014. I rarely smoke them, but find them better now than when fresh, I like the Latakia more when it is muted.
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Post by Zach on Apr 29, 2023 15:08:12 GMT -5
I've been in a similar dilemma for a bit. slowly working my way thru this tin of bankside it just has not clicked for me, tonight i decided to just put it back in the cellar as life to short to mess with something I'm not enjoying when I have a wealth of other blends i already enjoy. I haven't opened any tins of G.L. Pease Bankside yet because I put a year or more on all my C&D and Pease tins first.
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Post by trailboss on Apr 29, 2023 15:40:52 GMT -5
I've been in a similar dilemma for a bit. slowly working my way thru this tin of bankside it just has not clicked for me, tonight i decided to just put it back in the cellar as life to short to mess with something I'm not enjoying when I have a wealth of other blends i already enjoy. I haven't opened any tins of G.L. Pease Bankside yet because I put a year or more on all my C&D and Pease tins first.I have been doing the same on any releases, because those that have purchased releases and opened them when asked, "It is good but it will benefit with aging"...(I heard that a lot with MacB Birds of a Feather releases). Recently someone mentioned that they preferred Orlik Golden Sliced fresh because it has more of the hay-like, grassy taste...so I cracked a tin with 8 years on it. I agree, that one I prefer fresh...still good, just not as good., less prone to bite the tongue though.
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Post by urbino on Apr 29, 2023 17:42:12 GMT -5
I haven't opened any tins of G.L. Pease Bankside yet because I put a year or more on all my C&D and Pease tins first.I have been doing the same on any releases, because those that have purchased releases and opened them when asked, "It is good but it will benefit with aging"...(I heard that a lot with MacB Birds of a Feather releases). Recently someone mentioned that they preferred Orlik Golden Sliced fresh because it has more of the hay-like, grassy taste...so I cracked a tin with 8 years on it. I agree, that one I prefer fresh...still good, just not as good., less prone to bite the tongue though. That was me that likes fresh OGS. The aged stuff (like what you sent me) is an awfully nice smoke, too. I just found I like the greener, more summery notes of the fresh stuff.
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 29, 2023 20:14:06 GMT -5
The Frog Morton Cellar was better fresh to me, but that's probably the latakia. It's still pretty good aged though. The stuff I'm smoking is 6 years old now.
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Post by taiguy66 on Apr 30, 2023 10:48:59 GMT -5
The Frog Morton Cellar was better fresh to me, but that's probably the latakia. It's still pretty good aged though. The stuff I'm smoking is 6 years old now. You still have some Frog Morton?  Wow….
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 30, 2023 15:28:13 GMT -5
The Frog Morton Cellar was better fresh to me, but that's probably the latakia. It's still pretty good aged though. The stuff I'm smoking is 6 years old now. You still have some Frog Morton?  Wow…. Where the heck have you been?? 😁 I have 8 tins left.
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Post by taiguy66 on Apr 30, 2023 18:04:47 GMT -5
You still have some Frog Morton?  Wow…. Where the heck have you been?? 😁 I have 8 tins left. Is the question should be: where have I not been? Anyway, seems to me Ron, I asked you about this before and you didn’t want to share you greedy bugger. Haha….😂😂😂😂👋
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Post by JimK on May 1, 2023 10:31:39 GMT -5
Yes, I have had that experience early on in my pipe smoking life. I bought a well known drugstore brand of tobacco only to experience tongue bite, and a raspberry glop at the bottom of my pipe bowl at the end of my smoke. I never have bought that particular pipe tobacco since.
More often though, I've been supremely underwhelmed by some blends I've tried. That is my more typical experience.
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Post by Ronv69 on May 1, 2023 20:34:57 GMT -5
Where the heck have you been?? 😁 I have 8 tins left. Is the question should be: where have I not been? Anyway, seems to me Ron, I asked you about this before and you didn’t want to share you greedy bugger. Haha….😂😂😂😂👋 You ghosted me for a year and show up expecting expensive gifts?
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Post by taiguy66 on May 1, 2023 22:18:39 GMT -5
Is the question should be: where have I not been? Anyway, seems to me Ron, I asked you about this before and you didn’t want to share you greedy bugger. Haha….😂😂😂😂👋 You ghosted me for a year and show up expecting expensive gifts? 😜 😂😂😂👋
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