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Post by toshtego on Apr 25, 2024 13:32:30 GMT -5
I have a Polish Mauser pattern, K98, in 7.92 mm. It has the open sights which my old tired eyes are not so good with. So, I was thinking of adding a scope. Probably something around 4X. I have a 2X scope for an M1 but would prefer a bit more power. I want to keep it lower profile like the old military scopes but cannot afford a vintage German or Polish Mauser scope as they are collector pieces now. Any thoughts on what I should use? Now this rifle is not considered all that collectable. Polish Mauser guys do not value the Spanish Civil War guns with the wiped receivers for some reason. So, I am not impacting collectability. I just want something which works.
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Post by mgtarheel on Apr 25, 2024 13:36:37 GMT -5
Maybe a Bushnell Elite 4500
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 25, 2024 14:55:45 GMT -5
I have a couple of old steel Weavers that I'm going to be replacing, probably with red dots. Let me know if you want one.
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Post by trailboss on Apr 25, 2024 16:11:38 GMT -5
Bring Bob's nephew on staff, make him the "Buck" on your High Chapparal.
I wish I could offer advice, but all I have experience with on optics is my Trijicon ACOG 4X32.
A nice offer on Ron's part.
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Post by toshtego on Apr 25, 2024 17:38:07 GMT -5
I have a couple of old steel Weavers that I'm going to be replacing, probably with red dots. Let me know if you want one. Wow, Ron. Thanks. I wanted to go with something vintage like that, sort of period authentic but necessarily military. Let me know the price and we figure the shipping charges, too. |
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Post by trailboss on Apr 25, 2024 17:45:30 GMT -5
I have a couple of old steel Weavers that I'm going to be replacing, probably with red dots. Let me know if you want one. Wow, Ron. Thanks. I wanted to go with something vintage like that, sort of period authentic but necessarily military. Let me know the price and we figure the shipping charges, too. PM me for payment info...I am his acting as his financial pasture. |
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Post by toshtego on Apr 25, 2024 17:55:25 GMT -5
Being this a straight bolt handle infantry rifle, I was thinking about mounting the scope further down. I have seen photos of sniper rifles so equipped. Not sure how the eye relief will work. Worse case scenario the bolt handle could be bent but prefer not. This take some figuring. hoping the gunsmith in Española is interested in this project.
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 25, 2024 18:14:33 GMT -5
I have a couple of old steel Weavers that I'm going to be replacing, probably with red dots. Let me know if you want one. Wow, Ron. Thanks. I wanted to go with something vintage like that, sort of period authentic but necessarily military. Let me know the price and we figure the shipping charges, too. The price is nothing, nor is the shipping. Let me look at what I have. I think I have a K1, 2.5, and 4. I sent them all to El Paso many years ago to get reconditioned. Maybe I'll send 2 just in case. How soon are you looking to do this. I just sat down from working in the yard. This yard is going to kill me yet. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 25, 2024 18:29:03 GMT -5
Being this a straight bolt handle infantry rifle, I was thinking about mounting the scope further down. I have seen photos of sniper rifles so equipped. Not sure how the eye relief will work. Worse case scenario the bolt handle could be bent but prefer not. This take some figuring. hoping the gunsmith in Española is interested in this project. There's a company that just makes mounts for military rifles. It's nothing for a gunsmith to forge a bolt handle. I've done one and it came out good, but I am out of the business. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 25, 2024 18:29:56 GMT -5
I don't have any long eye releif scopes, sorry.
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Post by toshtego on Apr 26, 2024 7:16:19 GMT -5
Weaver K4 seems about right. Looking into mounts. I prefer a tapped mount to the "clip on" I have seen at Mauser forums.
Ron, no rush at all.
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Post by Plainsman on Apr 26, 2024 10:25:30 GMT -5
With a bent bolt handle I’d go with a Leupold Patrol ‘scope. 1-4x. Sturdy as the rifle. Further forward would need a scout scope. Lots of them out there. I personally don’t like single-mag ‘scopes. Another solution would be a reddot. Amazing what you can do with a 1x 1° reddot at long range. Like prairie dogs at 250Y. But Ron’s offer is very generous, so… Decision time.
Whatever you get, I’d recommend having the bolt handle bent. It’s awkward otherwise.
Opticsplanet is a good source of ‘scopes in all price ranges. Reddots, too.
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 26, 2024 11:09:32 GMT -5
S&K doesn't list a mount specifically for the Polish Mauser. It should be the same as the 98k. The mounts are about 75 dollars. They are a bit ugly but they preserve the collector value. The only Polish Mauser I found sold for $1350.
I imagine that a gunsmith would charge a couple of hundred to drill and tap these days. I certainly would.
The problem is that with anything that can't be automated these days, there aren't many people who know how to do it, and those same skills are valuable in other areas. Labor cost. That's why S&W quality is slipping and Dan Wesson and Colt are now CZs
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 26, 2024 11:12:17 GMT -5
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Post by toshtego on Apr 26, 2024 11:41:37 GMT -5
With a bent bolt handle I’d go with a Leupold Patrol ‘scope. 1-4x. Sturdy as the rifle. Further forward would need a scout scope. Lots of them out there. I personally don’t like single-mag ‘scopes. Another solution would be a reddot. Amazing what you can do with a 1x 1° reddot at long range. Like prairie dogs at 250Y. But Ron’s offer is very generous, so… Decision time. Whatever you get, I’d recommend having the bolt handle bent. It’s awkward otherwise. Opticsplanet is a good source of ‘scopes in all price ranges. Reddots, too. I mostly had variables and they were Leupolds. I had a 6X fixed on a .25-06. That worked out for longer ranges which was what the rifle was meant for. My .30-06s had variables. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 26, 2024 13:08:29 GMT -5
Fixed vs variable. For target shooting or hunting in general, I use variable scopes. If I'm concerned about something unexpected, I like the fixed scope because it's always set where you expect it. Real quick and simple. So many modern scopes have very complex reticles which are fine if you are a professional sniper. I finally got a 1-7 German #4 reticle for my 45-70 Mauser. One of the Weavers is a post and cross wire that I really like, but it's always looked crooked to me. Still works fine as you are just using the point of the post anyway. I think it's the K-2.5.
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Post by toshtego on Apr 26, 2024 17:16:07 GMT -5
Fixed vs variable. For target shooting or hunting in general, I use variable scopes. If I'm concerned about something unexpected, I like the fixed scope because it's always set where you expect it. Real quick and simple. So many modern scopes have very complex reticles which are fine if you are a professional sniper. I finally got a 1-7 German #4 reticle for my 45-70 Mauser. One of the Weavers is a post and cross wire that I really like, but it's always looked crooked to me. Still works fine as you are just using the point of the post anyway. I think it's the K-2.5. The simplicity of a 4X fixed should be fine for me. The ballistics of the 197 grain cartridge will keep me at 200 yards or less. Somewhere here I have a a Variable which was on a Marlin 1895 .45-70. |
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Post by toshtego on Apr 26, 2024 17:43:27 GMT -5
S&K doesn't list a mount specifically for the Polish Mauser. It should be the same as the 98k. The mounts are about 75 dollars. They are a bit ugly but they preserve the collector value. The only Polish Mauser I found sold for $1350.I imagine that a gunsmith would charge a couple of hundred to drill and tap these days. I certainly would. The problem is that with anything that can't be automated these days, there aren't many people who know how to do it, and those same skills are valuable in other areas. Labor cost. That's why S&W quality is slipping and Dan Wesson and Colt are now CZs I paid $300 a few years ago. In any event, the wiped receiver rifles which went to Spain do not seem to command much respect from collectors. Not sure why that is. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 26, 2024 18:17:45 GMT -5
Fixed vs variable. For target shooting or hunting in general, I use variable scopes. If I'm concerned about something unexpected, I like the fixed scope because it's always set where you expect it. Real quick and simple. So many modern scopes have very complex reticles which are fine if you are a professional sniper. I finally got a 1-7 German #4 reticle for my 45-70 Mauser. One of the Weavers is a post and cross wire that I really like, but it's always looked crooked to me. Still works fine as you are just using the point of the post anyway. I think it's the K-2.5. The simplicity of a 4X fixed should be fine for me. The ballistics of the 197 grain cartridge will keep me at 200 yards or less. Somewhere here I have a a Variable which was on a Marlin 1895 .45-70. The 7.9x57 cartridge? The Hornady ammo will reach to 400 yards with hunting accuracy. But I, like you, would probably stick to no more than 250 meters. |
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Post by Plainsman on Apr 26, 2024 18:23:31 GMT -5
Forget to mention, without a really high mount a regular ‘scope will have problems with that safety.
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 26, 2024 18:36:42 GMT -5
Forget to mention, without a really high mount a regular ‘scope will have problems with that safety. A low safety used to be $35 and drops right in. I have one on my Mauser. It comes really close to the rather large scope I currently have mounted, but the new scope is smaller. Looks like 67 bucks now. timneytriggers.com/mauser-safety-low-profile/ |
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Post by Ronv69 on Apr 26, 2024 18:44:01 GMT -5
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Post by toshtego on Apr 26, 2024 21:36:50 GMT -5
The simplicity of a 4X fixed should be fine for me. The ballistics of the 197 grain cartridge will keep me at 200 yards or less. Somewhere here I have a a Variable which was on a Marlin 1895 .45-70. The 7.9x57 cartridge? The Hornady ammo will reach to 400 yards with hunting accuracy. But I, like you, would probably stick to no more than 250 meters. My ammo is Czech. 400 yards is something like a 24 inch drop. I have the 197 grain not the US 170 loads. |
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Post by toshtego on Apr 26, 2024 21:38:27 GMT -5
Forget to mention, without a really high mount a regular ‘scope will have problems with that safety. Another reason for the Scout Scope. I have seen tall mounts on Mausers for this reason along with the bolt. |
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Post by Ronv69 on May 10, 2024 21:51:21 GMT -5
I took the Weaver off the 450 the other day and got it packed up. I've had the new 1-4x illuminated crosshairs for 4 years so I needed a reason to put it on. I spent a few wonderful hours in the shop tinkering with the guns this week. It was wonderful.
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Post by Ronv69 on May 10, 2024 21:53:31 GMT -5
This is the rifle I took the scope off of. It really wasn't a good combo. The bipod is just on there to add weight. 😁  I used heavy components so it's about 9.5 pounds. |
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Post by Ronv69 on May 10, 2024 21:55:44 GMT -5
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Post by trailboss on May 10, 2024 22:14:33 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on May 10, 2024 23:37:58 GMT -5
I know that these things probably shoot well, but I couldn't carry anything that ugly. A 9mm should look like a Luger or a S&W 39. Even my Star 30M looks beautiful in comparison. |
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Post by Ronv69 on May 10, 2024 23:42:12 GMT -5
This is the rifle I took the scope off of. It really wasn't a good combo. The bipod is just on there to add weight. 😁 I used heavy components so it's about 9.5 pounds. I just realized that I left the trigger guard open when I put the identity strap on the receiver. I have since fixed it. I have 6 ARs and it helps to know what cartridge to use if you need to grab one in a hurry. |
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