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Post by toshtego on May 2, 2024 22:33:23 GMT -5
I am fond of my Ruger Deerfield .44 magnum gas operated carbine. With advancing age and retarding eye site plus intermittent arthritis in my right hand, handguns can be a challenge. A carbine is the perfect self defense weapon for old timers. Not just my conclusion but that of a retired USMC officer with extensive combat time in Korea. The .44 magnum cartridge needs no explanation. It just works on just about everything, well, anything I am likely to encounter. The drawback with the Ruger Deerfield for self defense has been the magazine, four rounds. Five in the gun if a round is kept chambered. That capacity is cutting it too close if a threat presents itself. I am sure experts like Masood Ayob and others would agree. I have long wished that some bright guy would make a higher capacity magazine for the Deerfield. Lo and Behold, someone did. A family in Montana, IQM Magazines, has developed a ten round magazine. They claim extensive testing with a variety of ammunition and figured out what cartridge lengths will work. They also claim quality machining of aluminum to produce a working and reliable magazine from their shop in Montana. Visiting their website and reading the reviews, these claim seem to have borne out with other shooters. It is a little pricey as one might expect since this carbine was produced only for a few years and is not in wide circulation. $165 per. So, I ordered one. If it is as claimed I might order one or two more. Now, the most apparent issue I see is the weight of a 10 round mag and will it remain in the gun when fired or fall out? That reciprocating bolt pounds the receiver hard enough to loosen screws. They claim to have solved that problem. We shall see. Even if loaded with eight rounds that would be an improvement. If this works as represented, my quest for the right home defense gun may be solved. Now I can move on to a working RPG... I hate car alarms in the middle of the night.  |
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Post by urbino on May 2, 2024 22:51:09 GMT -5
Very nice. I think I've mentioned in a reply to one of your previous posts that I had a friend in h.s. who had a Deerfield. What a fun little rifle to shoot. The reloading was a bit tiresome, though.
There's a company in Australia that makes larger magazines for my BLR. Sure would be convenient, but they don't export to the States.
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Post by toshtego on May 2, 2024 23:15:10 GMT -5
Very nice. I think I've mentioned in a reply to one of your previous posts that I had a friend in h.s. who had a Deerfield. What a fun little rifle to shoot. The reloading was a bit tiresome, though. There's a company in Australia that makes larger magazines for my BLR. Sure would be convenient, but they don't export to the States. Perhaps you can find someone down under who will buy for you and ship? I do not recall if we have any members from there. |
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Post by Ronv69 on May 3, 2024 0:21:27 GMT -5
I also had a friend in high school with a Ruger 44 Carbine. Not sure if it was the Deerfield. Yeah, reloading was a pain. 44 Magnum ammo wasn't cheap even then. I have heard that the Blackjack Buffers for a Mini 30 would fit, but I would suggest further research. If you can look at the part that slams, you might be able to tell from the picture. It's not typically a high volume gun.
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Post by Ronv69 on May 3, 2024 12:08:41 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on May 3, 2024 12:16:10 GMT -5
Actually, the one I shot was the Model 44, with the Mannlicher stock. Predecessor of the Deerfield.
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Post by Plainsman on May 3, 2024 15:04:24 GMT -5
A laser sight on a short, light, effective home defense carbine in an AWESOME instrument. Just inserting that into this conversation…
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Post by urbino on May 3, 2024 15:57:21 GMT -5
$3500!? Jiminy Christmas! |
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Post by toshtego on May 3, 2024 20:11:46 GMT -5
$3500!? Jiminy Christmas! That listing is how I found about these new magazines. Made immediate contact with IQ Mags. |
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Post by toshtego on May 3, 2024 20:15:49 GMT -5
A laser sight on a short, light, effective home defense carbine in an AWESOME instrument. Just inserting that into this conversation… I was thinking of adding a flash suppressor, extended latch magazine release and the holographic or laser sites. I have a sling on the carbine. I can use it like a pistol grip when spraying ammo. Seriously, this is not, repeat not, a rapid fire gun. Easy on the receiver and bolt. It can be fired faster than a lever or bolt action but it was not designed to spray like in the movies. I do not know how it would perform when heated from rapid fire. I had a Tula Arsenal made SKS. Accuracy deteriorated in some proportion to heating from sustained firing. I should think the Deerfield would be the same. Any opinions? |
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Post by urbino on May 3, 2024 20:20:13 GMT -5
$3500!? Jiminy Christmas! That listing is how I found about these new magazines. Made immediate contact with IQ Mags. I know people love the .44mag and semi-auto carbines chambered for it aren't exactly thick on the ground, but $3500 seems steep. |
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Post by Plainsman on May 3, 2024 20:42:56 GMT -5
Holographic and laser sights are quite different. The laser sight projects a laser dot onto the target.
I don’t think the issue of accuracy deterioration from rapid fire is an issue in a home-defense situation. Nor do I think a magazine improvement of five to eight rounds is very significant, ande certainly not at the price. I have become convinced, from personal experience and research, that the 9mm is a superior round for the purpose. But we use what we have.
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Post by Ronv69 on May 3, 2024 20:52:08 GMT -5
$3500!? Jiminy Christmas! Well it's a nice carbine, but still. To some people that's pocket change. |
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Post by Ronv69 on May 3, 2024 20:53:07 GMT -5
That listing is how I found about these new magazines. Made immediate contact with IQ Mags. I know people love the .44mag and semi-auto carbines chambered for it aren't exactly thick on the ground, but $3500 seems steep. There are a bunch of lever actions. |
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Post by toshtego on May 3, 2024 21:12:27 GMT -5
Holographic and laser sights are quite different. The laser sight projects a laser dot onto the target. I don’t think the issue of accuracy deterioration from rapid fire is an issue in a home-defense situation. Nor do I think a magazine improvement of five to eight rounds is very significant, ande certainly not at the price. I have become convinced, from personal experience and research, that the 9mm is a superior round for the purpose. But we use what we have. This is not close range protection. This is in the fifty foot range. I am referring to people on the road firing at the house. That has happened to me twice here. Years back there was a gun battle between neighbors. Mini 14s versus AK 47s. Shooting from front porch to car on the road. I would not recommend anyone discharging a .44 magnum inside a house without ear protection! |
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Post by toshtego on May 3, 2024 21:13:41 GMT -5
That listing is how I found about these new magazines. Made immediate contact with IQ Mags. I know people love the .44mag and semi-auto carbines chambered for it aren't exactly thick on the ground, but $3500 seems steep. Not just steep. Absurd. These carbines are somewhat rare and I see them in the $1,200 to $1,500 range. |
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Post by trailboss on May 3, 2024 21:17:19 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on May 3, 2024 21:38:46 GMT -5
Holographic and laser sights are quite different. The laser sight projects a laser dot onto the target. I don’t think the issue of accuracy deterioration from rapid fire is an issue in a home-defense situation. Nor do I think a magazine improvement of five to eight rounds is very significant, ande certainly not at the price. I have become convinced, from personal experience and research, that the 9mm is a superior round for the purpose. But we use what we have. I have a scope on my Marlin Camp 9. I think the K2.5. I have been planning on putting a red dot/holographic sight on it for a while, but it's been lazing away in the cabinet. I have several to choose from. Right now I'm relying on the 300AAC AR pistol with 30 190 grain Hornady subsonic rounds. It has a red dot co-witnessed with a red laser and the folding iron sights. It's really hard to improve on. Haven't decided on what sights to put on the 12ga bullpup yet it's got AR type irons on it. With buckshot and a cylinder choke that's probably good enough. 25x1.125 ounces of lead should be able to clear a wide area. |
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Post by trailboss on May 3, 2024 21:42:25 GMT -5
I think you are good to go Ron, but I would not dissuade you from buying a gun that trips your trigger… or accessories to enhance the fun.
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Post by Ronv69 on May 3, 2024 21:45:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't fire either of those in the house without ear protection. The shotgun is a last resort, and the 300AAC is fairly subdued in testing. I keep 147gr HPs in the bedside pistol. I sleep in noise canceling headphones, but the dogs barking penetrates well. |
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Post by trailboss on May 3, 2024 21:54:33 GMT -5
In all reality, it will probably never happen, if it does hearing loss is a second/ third rate concern.
We don’t test ammo in the house.
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Post by Ronv69 on May 3, 2024 21:57:07 GMT -5
I think you are good to go Ron, but I would not dissuade you from buying a gun that trips your trigger… or accessories to enhance the fun. Aim Surplus has CZ 82 Makarov pistols on sale for $299. That would be an excellent every day carry gun. I really like them. |
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Post by trailboss on May 3, 2024 22:02:04 GMT -5
Enabler!
You and a certain person I know from Slidell should be ashamed of yourselves.
(Tom Gresham)
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Post by urbino on May 3, 2024 22:15:47 GMT -5
I think you are good to go Ron, but I would not dissuade you from buying a gun that trips your trigger… or accessories to enhance the fun. Aim Surplus has CZ 82 Makarov pistols on sale for $299. That would be an excellent every day carry gun. I really like them. Thankfully, the visible wear would bug me.  |
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Post by Plainsman on May 4, 2024 9:47:20 GMT -5
Out here I am about as likely to experience a home invasion situation as I am to have a herd of elephumps trample the house. The only liability here is my half mile driveway that connects to the Mormon Trail which in the summer is extensively used by a huge number of iffy out-of-staters going to and fro from a large rec area on the lake where there has has been violence and disorder in the past. Still, I consider development of a home defense weapon mostly an exercise in what I call “fictive prep.” My recent vow of No-More-Guns was broken recently when I couldn’t resist S&Ws FPC— semi-auto folding pistol carbine. The design and features grabbed me and finally made me relent and get one. I’m glad I did. It’s definitely a multi-use thingie and a great deal of fun. Not to mention my idea of the nigh perfect CQB solution. Mostly for fun and the experience, I’ve set it up for that purpose as well as general range amusement. It comes with no sights. I slapped a Sig-Sauer reddot which I already had on it and found that it worked very well. Then I got an urge to try a laser sight, and bought a green-dot unit, surprised that it was only $40 (as many are) and that it worked extremely well. I learned that you can forget about using it outside in bright daylight. But as the light fades it comes into its own. In bright daylight the dot cannot be seen beyond about 5 yards, but as the light fades it is visible to almost 400 yards. The benefit of the laser is instant target acquisition and the able to hit targets with the carbine in ANY position: put the dot on the target and that’s where the bullet is going, while you have total vision of everything going on around you, not being locked into looking thru a sight tube. This is it. Folds to 16” and is only 30” when folded out ready to go. Holds 2 23-round mags in the butt-stock. The black thing ahead of the reddot is the laser unit, which weighs about 2-ounces. I made an elk-hide sling for it which really increases its usefulness.  Ballistically, b/c of the longer barrel, it is about equivalent to a 4” .357 Magnum. Around the place I use my 130-grain lead bullet reloads. I have not had a single failure with any ammunition I have put through it. It feeds flawlessly, so far, with any bullet shape or configuration. Not everyone needs or wants such a critter. But I can recommend it for those that do. |
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Post by toshtego on May 4, 2024 11:54:35 GMT -5
Aim Surplus has CZ 82 Makarov pistols on sale for $299. That would be an excellent every day carry gun. I really like them. Thankfully, the visible wear would bug me. I checked it out. Nice looking piece that CZ 82 and one with a great reputation. Wear does not bother me. Tempted but cannot spend more just now. Sadly, I missed their sale of Walther P-38s. Reasonable price, too. That I would have jumped on. They have nice Swiss made P-09s in 7.65mm but a bit pricey for me, $2,500 or so. |
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Post by toshtego on May 4, 2024 11:57:49 GMT -5
Out here I am about as likely to experience a home invasion situation as I am to have a herd of elephumps trample the house. The only liability here is my half mile driveway that connects to the Mormon Trail which in the summer is extensively used by a huge number of iffy out-of-staters going to and fro from a large rec area on the lake where there has has been violence and disorder in the past. Still, I consider development of a home defense weapon mostly an exercise in what I call “fictive prep.” My recent vow of No-More-Guns was broken recently when I couldn’t resist S&Ws FPC— semi-auto folding pistol carbine. The design and features grabbed me and finally made me relent and get one. I’m glad I did. It’s definitely a multi-use thingie and a great deal of fun. Not to mention my idea of the nigh perfect CQB solution. Mostly for fun and the experience, I’ve set it up for that purpose as well as general range amusement. It comes with no sights. I slapped a Sig-Sauer reddot which I already had on it and found that it worked very well. Then I got an urge to try a laser sight, and bought a green-dot unit, surprised that it was only $40 (as many are) and that it worked extremely well. I learned that you can forget about using it outside in bright daylight. But as the light fades it comes into its own. In bright daylight the dot cannot be seen beyond about 5 yards, but as the light fades it is visible to almost 400 yards. The benefit of the laser is instant target acquisition and the able to hit targets with the carbine in ANY position: put the dot on the target and that’s where the bullet is going, while you have total vision of everything going on around you, not being locked into looking thru a sight tube. This is it. Folds to 16” and is only 30” when folded out ready to go. Holds 2 23-round mags in the butt-stock. The black thing ahead of the reddot is the laser unit, which weighs about 2-ounces. I made an elk-hide sling for it which really increases its usefulness. Ballistically, b/c of the longer barrel, it is about equivalent to a 4” .357 Magnum. Around the place I use my 130-grain lead bullet reloads. I have not had a single failure with any ammunition I have put through it. It feeds flawlessly, so far, with any bullet shape or configuration. Not everyone needs or wants such a critter. But I can recommend it for those that do. Very nice. Makes great sense for home defense. I have often thought of a pistol cartridge carbine. |
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Post by Ronv69 on May 4, 2024 13:06:09 GMT -5
Aim Surplus has CZ 82 Makarov pistols on sale for $299. That would be an excellent every day carry gun. I really like them. Thankfully, the visible wear would bug me. Are you talking about the holster wear on the pistol? That's nothing. |
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Post by Ronv69 on May 4, 2024 13:51:10 GMT -5
We are also very unlikely to experience a home invasion. But low chance isn't zero. Lots of meth heads out in the woods, but they know the odds are against them as everyone is armed. Anyone from the coming from the highway sets off 2 driveway alarms so we won't be surprised. Only a couple of people other than delivery drivers have come and they were met with a shotgun. Turned out to be guys that ran out of gas a mile before the gas station. It's mostly interpersonal relationships that escalate to trouble and not much of that. No shootings in the towns. One guy shot 2 people at Atlanta State Park and he's on death row. The biggest problem here is that people dissappear without a trace. At least 8 people have disappeared in the past 20 years. These are adults, mostly in good health. Last guy was a 56 year old grandfather who's truck broke down on a county dirt road on his way home from work. Last seen walking down the road, spoke to passerby and said he was fine. A mile from his house. Left his phone in the truck. No trace has been found in a year. A 64 year old disabled woman wandered away from her home and was last seen walking down the street. That's the main reason I carry, especially if I'm going on the back roads.
If I get taken, at least there will be a patch of blood.
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Post by urbino on May 4, 2024 16:07:36 GMT -5
Thankfully, the visible wear would bug me. Are you talking about the holster wear on the pistol? That's nothing. But it would bug me in something new-to-me, which is a good thing, because now I won't buy one when I already have more pistols than I need.  |
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