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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 21:37:00 GMT -5
I normally don't cross-post from other forums, but a rather nice poster started a thread on this series. I am going to paste my answer below, and I believe we can discuss this without people getting all hot about it. It's history and entertainment. The premise is that HH Holmes, our very own serial killer, might have been Saucy Jack as well. What I am pasting is what set someone off. Jack the Ripper is a person that everybody who studies it has a theory. I confess, I have many and am always open to something new. In this series they showed ship manifests that our killer traveled to and from Britain before and after the killings. It's hard not to take that with some seriousness, even though the series is flawed. Here is my post, with comments after:
[[ I may have been the one to lead Mudgett to the Cylinder of his GG Grandfather. Wrote him about it some years ago. I had communicated with the owner of the cylinder who did not use the fragile excuse for not playing it. He is not into transferring to digital and I friggin knew he wasn't going to let us hear this. I had pleaded with him that even if it was not Holmes speaking its historical value was immense. Without it ever being heard it is worthless. Also, the gurus could have handled it safely.
I am starting to think Holmes could have been the Ripper. I have studied both for decades.
I hope they have a season 2 like they did with Hunt for Hitler]]
The cylinder is purportedly a sound recording of HH Holmes.
I'm not innocent. After a snide remark I got snider. After escalation I was quite the beast, but with a point. As I mentioned, I don't know who the Ripper is. I am not even sure it's the same person, and that I am starting to think means I am musing, not making a declaration.
Friends, I did not place this here for you to judge. I place it here in hopes others have seen the show and want to comment on it. The one thing I have never done is belittle someone for an hypothesis. I know The Briar Patch can handle this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 21:40:51 GMT -5
It's all . . Geek . . to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 21:46:52 GMT -5
It's all . . Geek . . to me. Ya had ta be there
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Post by orley on Aug 26, 2017 9:52:24 GMT -5
I like the show! I'm not necessarily buying into the theory that H. H. Holmes was Jack the Ripper, but I do believe it's possible. What I like most about the show is the history about both killers is real. In the past I'd heard very little about Holmes, but everyone seems to know about Jack the Ripper. As you see the history in facts, clearly Holmes was the bigger butcher and his victims were many more. Fascinating stuff in the show if you can stand the gruesome details.
David, I don't doubt the experiences you've had or your knowledge concerning this subject, but like you say, we may never really know who Jack was. Still it's fun to see the history involved in the parallel cases.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 12:35:38 GMT -5
It's kind of like playing a game of Clue or Role Playing. You're given facts that you can add to what you already know and see how things work out. There is a recent documentary that shows that an overlooked workman was on the scene for many of those murders, poopooed by the elite. There is the American Whack, Tumbelty, who was arrested at the time of Lincoln's death, arrested in Britain as a Ripper suspect and had a lot of murders surrounding his futures travels. There is the Royal Murder Scandal, which was thought crazy, but many facts not known then were since found to be true. And then there is our little homespun booger, HHHolmes. I still believe a reach, but as you say, M&J, there are some things that become interesting. Maybe he only murdered one. Maybe a bunch of people committed those murders. The Handwriting won't wash. That was pretty well solved at the time, many people in high places knew it was a reporter's hoax. One more eppy to go.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 26, 2017 13:03:11 GMT -5
Haven't watched the show, but the premise is tantalizing- which is suspiciously convenient. They will try to make multiple seasons out of it and if there were any real evidence of it being true, we'd already know through other outlets. Neat thing to muse on though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 13:14:39 GMT -5
Haven't watched the show, but the premise is tantalizing- which is suspiciously convenient. They will try to make multiple seasons out of it and if there were any real evidence of it being true, we'd already know through other outlets. Neat thing to muse on though. Right on all points. The teaser for next week is they are digging up the body of HHHolmes and someone "hints" that the body is not there. In comparison to other series they did, Hunting Hitler actually shows spots in South America that many Nazis fled to and did set up areas of protection and future rise of the Reich. In the Oswald/Russia series they stopped after two eppies. They went through all sorts of Oswald meeting with Russians in Mexico. The lead dude had Russia on the brain. I pointed this out. Not sure who listened, but shortly after the series died: They never bothered to show the official CIA/FBI image of Oswald in Mexico. Reason? It was a person with a football player build and obviously not Oswald. This was not news. Has been known. Yet they kept on going through the Oswald Slept Here mode. The US Govt still clings to this image as proof of Oswald in Mexico. Unlike the other two series I was glad this one ended early.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 26, 2017 13:27:10 GMT -5
I may watch an episode or two. Sounds interesting, and at the very least, it is a real possibility. What I can't stand are shows like Ancient Aliens which is not only laughable, but predicated on the assumption that the audience also believes in every-other facet of pseudo science.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 13:45:51 GMT -5
I may watch an episode or two. Sounds interesting, and at the very least, it is a real possibility. What I can't stand are shows like Ancient Aliens which is not only laughable, but predicated on the assumption that the audience also believes in every-other facet of pseudo science. Yet there is still a lot of history there. They jump from something they don't understand to "The Aliens Did It". My like of it is the pointing out of things we don't understand, and wishing I had a head of hair like the crazy wildman with Dong King Hair.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Aug 26, 2017 14:10:28 GMT -5
Sounds interesting. Where does one go to watch it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 15:13:00 GMT -5
Sounds interesting. Where does one go to watch it? The ripper thing is on History channel. There is a good chance they will repeat episodes before the final. Ancient Aliens the same, though they show that regularly. I don't have cable. Too many local channels now, many old shows. Ripper is on Amazon at 13.00-15.00 for the season. Just picked up a book (Kindle) on deconstructing Jack, which sets out to dismantle all the BS. Verdict out on that.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Aug 27, 2017 13:08:10 GMT -5
Sounds interesting. Where does one go to watch it? The ripper thing is on History channel. There is a good chance they will repeat episodes before the final. Ancient Aliens the same, though they show that regularly. I don't have cable. Too many local channels now, many old shows. Ripper is on Amazon at 13.00-15.00 for the season. Just picked up a book (Kindle) on deconstructing Jack, which sets out to dismantle all the BS. Verdict out on that. Hmmmm...Wonder if it is included with Amazon Prime? I'll check it out if I can do it for free.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 21:04:50 GMT -5
The series or first season ended last night. There is enough (imo) for another go around. Historically this was a pretty good eppy. Won't spoil it, but there was a surprise tie-in with HH Holmes and the Ripper Murders. I want to look back over the video slowly, as some may be conjecture. The main point I was not able to convey somewhere else was that if you blink, or shut your eyes to something new, you might miss it. I think I paid 12.99 in standard definition for 8 eppies. Well worth it.
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Post by trailboss on Sept 1, 2017 13:22:00 GMT -5
To introduce you to who HH Holmes is, Glenn Beck does a great job, and HH Holmes own great grandson that produced the History channel special said that it was "masterfully done"...I had never heard of this cat, what a gruesome hombre he was, it is quite an amazing story. www.glennbeck.com/content/gb_videos/s1e3-serial-killer-in-the-white-city/I do not subscribe to any cable or satellite, so I cannot access much History channel content from my ROKU, so I could not watch it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 13:32:09 GMT -5
^^ I'll check that link out presently. As to Hitory Channel, some shows are available on their site, if not the Roku App.
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Post by trailboss on Sept 1, 2017 13:39:20 GMT -5
^^ I'll check that link out presently. As to Hitory Channel, some shows are available on their site, if not the Roku App. Yeah..checked it out, no dice. www.history.com/shows/american-ripper/season-1/episode-1Thank you though. My dad said that the Vietnamese called him "Cheap-Charlie-Son-of-a-bitch",,, I got a reputation to maintain, I reckon.
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Post by Darin on Sept 1, 2017 16:02:32 GMT -5
Netflix has a documentary called H.H. Holmes: America's First Serial Killer
It was pretty good as, I recall, and where I first really learned of him.
The guy was pretty darn smart but selling skeletons to medical schools got a LITTLE out of hand!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 16:17:08 GMT -5
Netflix has a documentary called H.H. Holmes: America's First Serial Killer
It was pretty good as, I recall, and where I first really learned of him.
The guy was pretty darn smart but selling skeletons to medical schools got a LITTLE out of hand!
I have that doc. I first heard of him in the 90's, early, when one of our papers here, a retro paper that did anniversaries of local stuff, put out a whole paper on him. He had a connection to Saint Louis, so that was one reason. Been fascinated by true crime since a kid. Wish I had all the police and detective mags I bought back then. My oldest girl, when visiting, goes through my crime library.
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Post by orley on Sept 1, 2017 21:17:58 GMT -5
Arrgh! Our power was out last night due to storms, so we missed that episode. Maybe they'll re-broadcast it again... hopefully.
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