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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 13:07:01 GMT -5
Head of the CIA wanted the final JFK papers to be held back for another 25 years. Just hit the news hours ago that they WILL be released! I said HS for about five minutes before Xuan coaxed it out of me. Never letting a conspiracy go to waste, I am right on it, gang!
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Post by trailboss on Oct 21, 2017 13:14:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw that in my news feed pop ups. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/21/donald-trump-says-he-wont-block-release-secret-jfk/Years ago, I heard a couple hour interview on Art Bell of Jack Anderson, the famous reporter...it was quite a compelling interview and mind blowing at the time...mind you, I have never really gotten caught up in it all. I remember my mom in about 1965 saying that she thought that there was a huge coverup...Hell, with the mafia, commies, Cuban commies, JFK's horndoggery, there was plenty of grist for the conspiracy mill.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 13:34:53 GMT -5
Was it LBJ? Was it the mob? Was George Bush the man on the hill? Why were the limo's switched out? Did Aristotle Onassis call the hit? Was it the Russians? Was it the CIA? Was it Clay Shaw? Was it a Cuban hit? The Hoffa connection? Was Oswald a member the CIA? Was it the Industrial Military Complex? Was it a Federal Reserve Hit? Was it big oil?
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Post by GRUMPY on Oct 21, 2017 13:43:48 GMT -5
Whatever these newly released papers say,it is doubtful the truth will be known, at least by the American people.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 13:58:44 GMT -5
E Howard Hunt's private diary is supposed to be among the papers. That would be telling. We'll see. At least we'll have them in my lifetime. 25 years more would be crap
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Post by PhantomWolf on Oct 21, 2017 14:30:56 GMT -5
When it comes to conspiracies of this magnitude such as Kennedy, 9/11 etc the implications are so terrifying that I honestly like being in the dark- If I am indeed in the dark and things happened in a manner other than what has been presented by our kindly caretakers who write the history books that is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 14:45:13 GMT -5
@psycholime - you forgot Ted Cruz's father!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 14:57:39 GMT -5
@psycholime - you forgot Ted Cruz's father! Raphael Cruz was connected to Bush 41 and Zapata Oil. He just may have been with LEE Harvey under a false flag Couple points never mentioned: When asked back in the 70's where Bush 41 was when JFK assassinated he claimed he didn't know. OH??? When he was up for head of CIA the Senate asked him if he ever worked for CIA. He denied it. Proof later came out he was not only under CIA instructions, but picture and phone call show him in Dallas that morning. Recently, former CIA operative and total douche, Bob Baer, did a series on Oswald going into great detail where he was and might have been in Mexico. He never showed the image of LHO in Mexico. It looks more like Al Bundy than LHO. The papers coming out are supposed to verify it was not him. We have been fed a line of shite for 54 years. I have known that since I was 10, back in 67 when I first started studying this
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 15:46:37 GMT -5
Cant trust the Cubans in this Rafael has direct ties to Castro and Ted Cruz admits this in his memoirs. Cubans, Communist, CIA, Castro, Carcano rifle, Calgary safe house and of course Cruz.
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Post by puffy on Oct 21, 2017 17:41:15 GMT -5
They ruled that Jack Ruby acted alone..Some question that.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 21, 2017 17:44:20 GMT -5
Yeah...Rafael Cruz moves to the top of the list out of obscurity...just as the primary field gets competitive...a pretty stunning coincidence.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 17:53:40 GMT -5
They ruled that Jack Ruby acted alone..Some question that. It was said Ruby did it in a patriotic moment. What didn't come out for decades was that Ruby was a bag man for Capone and Giancana. How did this get missed? Hoover and "The Boys" would vacation annually on the mob's dime at an exclusive California resort. Also (total side issue) the public never got to see Hoover's mansion, bought and furnished on our dime. He always had his car and driver pick him up a block from his mansion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 17:55:52 GMT -5
Yeah...Rafael Cruz moves to the top of the list out of obscurity...just as the primary field gets competitive...a pretty stunning coincidence. Cruz moved to the top of no list. That he "may have" been with LHO is being nothing more than a known associate.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 21, 2017 18:03:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 18:09:59 GMT -5
1) I like leaps of faith 2) Chris Matthews says anyone who believes anyone OTHER than LHO was involved, ie any conspiracy, is a nut job. That is 4/5 of America 3) I started a thread on Jack the Ripper is HH Holmes here after I got flamed in another group. I am not saying your view is anything close to a flame. It is a disagreement, which I like to challenge. 4) I have not mentioned this heretofore in this group, but I have been fighting online the pedo culture that is not only in Hollywood, but in government as well. I have been called a nut for two years, yet damned near everything I say has been coming true minute by minute now. 5) Mostly, I want to say I do not take any offense to your disagreement or opinions. I hope you feel the same about mine. PS - I should trust the Washington Post? They have a crappy record of retracting themselves more than the NYT. I have read all of that, though
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Post by simnettpratt on Oct 21, 2017 18:13:31 GMT -5
Poor Justin. I make one rule...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 18:29:08 GMT -5
Poor Justin. I make one rule... no politics. 55 yo crime is all
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Post by trailboss on Oct 21, 2017 18:37:27 GMT -5
I am not saying LHO worked alone...I think he could have, but there are so many moving parts to the story that it is reasonable to believe he didnt...one thing that puzzles me is Jack Ruby, it always seemed to me that he had to get to Oswald before he sang like a canary. I wholeheartedly agree with you on the pedo culture... I am sure that we have more in common than otherwise. Yeah opinions are like As%$@)&#'s and Lord knows I have been called one plenty of times.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 18:40:18 GMT -5
Don't start any flame wars and this could be very interesting and informative too.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 21, 2017 18:45:17 GMT -5
Don't start any flame wars and this could be very interesting and informative too. Back on Topic.... It really boggles my mind all of the players involved that one can point to with a motive, it is understandable why so many conspiracies abound.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 19:11:27 GMT -5
This might explain my logic: 1976 - Stephen Knight writes a book on Jack the Ripper involving the Royal Family. If they had pants on fire awards he would be the world champ, according to the eggheads. In his book he mentions a character named John Netley. The eggheads erupt in "He doesn't exist." This went on for.... oops, it's still going on. Knight died way too young, but even I won't cry conspiracy. Just happened. Some years ago the existence of John Netley is proved by his descendants and other means. There is now a photo. The eggheads cry foul! "Oh, you are a Stephen Knight Nutbag." My problem here is that it has nothing to do with Knight's suspect (Netley was a side player) The Royals. It is that a theory made it word of mouth for a hundred years and some aspects bear out. Considering that the eggheads are no closer to a solution than the noneggheads (me), why don't they just add John Netley to the info they have as a side issue. If you do genealogy you know the importance of incidental characters. They won't do it. Let's say Cruz/Netley knows/knew something. Maybe exploring his address, history, and all else migh lead you somewhere. Now, solely to Cruz. I am not even coming close to saying he did anything wrong. But if he was with GHWBush he may know something he's not telling or was told not to tell. He could be a hero if this comes out and he speaks out. What I do with my Elvis/Jesse James/JFK/Billy the Kid conspiracies is to keep ideas rotating in my head. With regards to the pedo thing, I have seen and keep enough proof of what is going on to have had my anonymous say in social media. This started out as a conspiracy. Charlie, and everyone: I respect all your opinions and beliefs. I do poke fun. I can take fun. This is fun to me. You all are fun to me. I apologize that I often come across with sticky points in my fun. I certainly want to offend no one. David
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 20:04:18 GMT -5
Rafael and Lee Harvey sharing a touching moment together. The woman may be Nancy Jane Mooney a stripper who worked for Jack Ruby.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 20:13:45 GMT -5
MOM MOM!! Where did you get that lost pic of mom?
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Post by trailboss on Oct 21, 2017 21:25:52 GMT -5
Rafael and Lee Harvey sharing a touching moment together. The woman may be Nancy Jane Mooney a stripper who worked for Jack Ruby. That...is about as bogus as can be, if there was definitive proof of that being Rafael, it would be front and center of a lot of organizations that would make hay of it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 21:42:27 GMT -5
Rafael and Lee Harvey sharing a touching moment together. The woman may be Nancy Jane Mooney a stripper who worked for Jack Ruby. That...is about as bogus as can be, if there was definitive proof of that being Rafael, it would be front and center of a lot of organizations that would make hay of it. Yup, photoshop can be fun, but it ruins history
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 1:17:31 GMT -5
You must be right and Rafael did not take the job with Zappta oil and move to Canada soon after the assignation. Whatever you do don't look up Permindex because that would tie in Clay Shaw, David Ferrie and Lee Harvey Oswald as well as Bush. I would not read the Garisson investigation or the Torbitt report.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 22, 2017 10:14:07 GMT -5
What we do know...ability. Motive.... he moved to Russia and brought back a bride during an incredibly tense cold war...I see means and motive...I suspect we could implicate the pope if we try to.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 11:23:04 GMT -5
Books to Read: Dr. Mary's Monkey, 2 Judyth Vary Baker books
Question: The Men Who Killed Kennedy was a 9 part series that only six parts are on DVD. LBJ's wife, Former Pres Ford, and a few others sued History Channel over the final shows, so it only shows in Britain. Do we have a free press?
No doubt LHO had knowledge of what was going on, but his part in the shooting, to me, is open for discussion. Garrison, though somewhat discredited (that always seems to happen when govt is scared) was onto a major faction of what was going on. Problem for him it (this is my opinion) was only part of the deal. FBI, CIA, Chicago Mob, Florida Mob, New Orleans/Texas Mob, and Texas Oilmen were all players. That is why there is no truth evident. There are many truths.
Men who Killed Kennedy is on Youtube in full nine episodes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 12:50:52 GMT -5
Why would a fine upstanding Marine try to defect to Russia get married and then move back to America. Why would he be passing out pro Cuban propaganda in New Orleans. Why was he in Mexico city at the Cuban and Russian embassies several weeks before the assignation. How did he manage to live next door to a Russian woman in Dallas who told about a job the book repository 5-6 weeks before Kennedys visit. But we have to believe LHO acted alone otherwise the whole thing is coup d'tat. The Warren report looks like a poorly put together cover up that has more holes than a fishing net and leaves more questions than answers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 12:56:48 GMT -5
LHO may not have been in Mexico. Here is the OFFICIAL LHO in Mexico picture, still sworn to by the govt to be LHO. Before I paste it below, I am told one of the things to come out is that the govt acknowledges this is NOT LHO. I say it's Al Bundy
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