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Post by Legend Lover on Feb 15, 2018 19:11:28 GMT -5
With a lot of demonising going on related to smoking in general, and all smoking being categorised together in many instances, there is practically no research done on pipe Smokers only.
I was thinking that we have, right here, our own data pool.
We have people who, for the majority, smoke a pipe. I wonder how many of us either have experienced first-hand a pipe-related illness or know of another pipe smoker who has. If this info was to be compiled I think the results would be interesting.
Granted, there are some who also smoke cigars or cigarettes and some who were previous cigarette smokers, and others who are vegetarian etc. etc. So we're not comparing like with like. But we've a data pool of statistics right here.
I'm not suggesting that we list our illnesses; I'm simply curious.
I think that the findings might be detrimental to the overall fight AGAINST tobacco.
Thoughts?
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Post by zambini on Feb 15, 2018 19:14:17 GMT -5
I like the idea but I don't know how'd you go about conducting this type of experiment with the resources at hand.
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Post by slowroll on Feb 15, 2018 19:16:02 GMT -5
Well, I'm 72, been smoking pipes most of my life, still flying airplanes and skiing; I'm good -- or better than nothing, I'm told.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 19:18:57 GMT -5
My pipe mentor died of throat cancer in 1973. Pipe smoking is not a magic bullet . . . . .we roll the dice and take our chances.
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Post by slowroll on Feb 15, 2018 19:21:40 GMT -5
My pipe mentor died of throat cancer in 1973. Pipe smoking is not a magic bullet . . . . .we roll the dice and take our chances. Yep. All the dangerous things I've done in my life, I didn't think I'd live this long. The leading cause of death is birth.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 19:45:37 GMT -5
Not saying it's not a worthy pursuit; however, the pool here is too limited and there are also too many extraneous variables for any statistically significant findings I should think.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 15, 2018 20:42:31 GMT -5
We have a one of a kind test subject in JimInks. Kind of a smoke-to-destruction test.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 21:10:12 GMT -5
It also might have the opposite effect, as one person after another tells a pipe-related horror story (like when the doctor told my dad that the inside of his mouth was "cured like a ham.").
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Post by johnlawitzke on Feb 15, 2018 22:15:55 GMT -5
We have a one of a kind test subject in JimInks. Kind of a smoke-to-destruction test. No, the cholesterol from all those fried eggs would skew JimInks results.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 22:27:47 GMT -5
I don't have access to it, but those initial research papers on cigarettes and tobacco, gave pipe smoking, if not a pass, no outright scientific condemnation.
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Post by Legend Lover on Feb 16, 2018 3:22:16 GMT -5
Not saying it's not a worthy pursuit; however, the pool here is too limited and there are also too many extraneous variables for any statistically significant findings I should think. I fully agree. There are way too many variables and it's impossible to tell what combinations are more risky than others. It's a bit like the first batman film with Michael Keaton where there were combinations of make-up that produced the joker's affliction. Which is why I think the studies that have been done are very very subjective. I'm simply musing, but I think there'd be more stories like Steve's than like Mike's. I might be wrong. I often am... And after all that, I think I'd prefer NOT to know in case I AM wrong, which makes this whole thread pointless.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 16, 2018 7:42:07 GMT -5
Well we know that under the UN Multi year study, the WHO decided to bury the research that shows that the dangers of second hand smoke poses no real risk to non-smokers. www.davehitt.com/facts/index.htmlSmoking is not a healthy choice, But based on my anecdotal existence, all of the pipe smokers that I knew lived very long lives, none that I knew ever developed any kind of cancer, I think that genetics plays more of a role than anything, and a pipe smoker that eats and dines in moderation and gets exercise may very well be less predisposed to smoking related illnesses than a greasy burger eater, pounding down Vodka every night. The horse left the barn a long time ago on getting any true unbiased research by people of character...there is so much money involved by people that make their living off tobacco taxes, and grants given to "researchers" that know all to well who is buttering their bread...the whole damn system is corrupt to the core, from the cigarette manufacturers that got a pass on declaring what was in the cigarettes in lieu of the tobacco settlement with the government...to the greedy politicians that said it was about health, but looked the other way when they agreed to the settlement. Somewhat dated but still a lot of pertinent info, with a perspective many would agree with.... www.weeklystandard.com/the-soul-corrupting-anti-tobacco-crusade/article/10364
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Post by Legend Lover on Feb 16, 2018 7:51:05 GMT -5
Excellent take on it. Thanks for sharing... and it's my argument to my wife, which she is coming around to. There are worse things out there in which we could be involved!
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Post by Wolfman on Feb 16, 2018 8:46:21 GMT -5
I'm going to ponder this as I puff a pipe of Pegasus.
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 23, 2020 17:01:18 GMT -5
This thread is 2 years old. Any new data on this subject?
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Post by taiguy66 on Nov 23, 2020 17:35:09 GMT -5
For those who ask, I tell people I smoke to ensure social distancing. When I smoked cigars on the golf course it did the trick and some people kept their distance. Now that I smoke pipe, I’m finding the opposite: people are getting closer to me wanting a whiff of the wonderful aroma from my pipe.
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 23, 2020 23:59:16 GMT -5
Not a popular topic I see.
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Post by jeffd on Nov 24, 2020 0:41:26 GMT -5
There is evidence, I have quoted elsewhere, that nicotine helps repel the COVID virus. I don't understand the bio-mechanics, but a study in France showed a disproportionally low number of smokers testing positive for COVID. That same "anomaly" has come up in other countries.
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 24, 2020 9:55:19 GMT -5
There is evidence, I have quoted elsewhere, that nicotine helps repel the COVID virus. I don't understand the bio-mechanics, but a study in France showed a disproportionally low number of smokers testing positive for COVID. That same "anomaly" has come up in other countries. Do you have a source for that? A quick goog (DDG actually) shows a mixed bag, with the majority saying just the opposite.
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Post by taiguy66 on Nov 24, 2020 10:15:00 GMT -5
That’s the joy of collecting data or statistics. You can tweak it anyway you want.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 24, 2020 10:25:38 GMT -5
I have not gotten covid, and I smoke a pipe.
That proves that nicotine staves off the ‘rona.
This has been beer reviewed by my colleagues at the Arizona Pipe Club.
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Post by sperrytops on Nov 24, 2020 12:54:52 GMT -5
It's all relative. Cigarettes are worse than cigars or pipes. How do pipes compare to spending hours on exhaust covered freeways? Some people eat sugar to excess or drink too much alcohol. Some will spend too much time running (Jim Fixx). Pick your own path to the great beyond. We should be allowed to pick our own tombstone epitaph.
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Post by jeffd on Nov 26, 2020 11:58:28 GMT -5
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 26, 2020 18:18:32 GMT -5
It's all relative. Cigarettes are worse than cigars or pipes. How do pipes compare to spending hours on exhaust covered freeways? Some people eat sugar to excess or drink too much alcohol. Some will spend too much time running (Jim Fixx). Pick your own path to the great beyond. We should be allowed to pick our own tombstone epitaph. I would agree here...there are too many variables. My original intention was just, out of curiosity, to see if anyone had pipe-smoking related health issues. Even from posts since then, I've not heard of many who have succumbed to any - at least, not in the same way you hear about cigarette smokers. But again...too many variables to draw any conclusions.
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Post by jay on Nov 27, 2020 2:12:05 GMT -5
For those who ask, I tell people I smoke to ensure social distancing. When I smoked cigars on the golf course it did the trick and some people kept their distance. Now that I smoke pipe, I’m finding the opposite: people are getting closer to me wanting a whiff of the wonderful aroma from my pipe. Maybe they just want to be near you because you are simply a nice, all round good man. The fragrance of the pipe is simply an added bonus.
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Post by taiguy66 on Nov 27, 2020 8:25:15 GMT -5
For those who ask, I tell people I smoke to ensure social distancing. When I smoked cigars on the golf course it did the trick and some people kept their distance. Now that I smoke pipe, I’m finding the opposite: people are getting closer to me wanting a whiff of the wonderful aroma from my pipe. Maybe they just want to be near you because you are simply a nice, all round good man. The fragrance of the pipe is simply an added bonus. Thanks brother, you’re awesome. Cheers......🤛😁🏌️♂️
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Post by jeffd on Nov 28, 2020 16:53:44 GMT -5
Under representation in COVID-19 cases can mean a lot of things. Banjo players, for example, who maybe have much more experience with social distancing.
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Post by rconix9 on Nov 28, 2020 20:38:53 GMT -5
Under representation in COVID-19 cases can mean a lot of things. Banjo players, for example, who maybe have much more experience with social distancing. I think you may be on to something... A few weeks ago, out on a walk, I ran into a guy on his driveway playing a banjo. As I passed, we said hello and he said his wife kicked him out of the house until he was done playing his banjo.
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Post by jeffd on Nov 28, 2020 22:39:42 GMT -5
Under representation in COVID-19 cases can mean a lot of things. Banjo players, for example, who maybe have much more experience with social distancing. I think you may be on to something... A few weeks ago, out on a walk, I ran into a guy on his driveway playing a banjo. As I passed, we said hello and he said his wife kicked him out of the house until he was done playing his banjo. I know a cigar smoker that had the same experience.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 29, 2020 9:50:20 GMT -5
On the subject... Thousands of hours have been compiled for this test to get a baseline on where you are at. Best to take the test once a month.
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