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Post by zver on Apr 28, 2018 15:22:26 GMT -5
Welcome to the patch from NW PA!
This is all about relaxing. So go slow when puffing your pipe. Enjoy the taste of the blend you try. Before you pack it and light give it a good wiff. I love to smell of the tobacco.
Write up your thoughts and experience with each blend so you can go back and see later what you experienced when you first tried a blend. I find things seem to change over time.
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 28, 2018 15:49:06 GMT -5
Welcome to the patch from NW PA! This is all about relaxing. So go slow when puffing your pipe. Enjoy the taste of the blend you try. Before you pack it and light give it a good wiff. I love to smell of the tobacco. Write up your thoughts and experience with each blend so you can go back and see later what you experienced when you first tried a blend. I find things seem to change over time. Z good points. I did a spreadsheet at the start... And there's nothing like smelling that tobacco.
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Post by dumont on Jul 4, 2019 22:11:10 GMT -5
OK, well it's been some months now and I've been occasionally puffing away. I have a couple problems I'd like some direction with:
- I've tried a few blends now and just started a couple aromatics (Lane Limited 1-Q, RLP-6, HGL. Sutliff Danish, Black and Gold. Sutliff Rum Raisin, Black Rasp. Stokkebye Peaches & Cream....I've not tried all these yet but I have them). My problem? They all taste the same to me. Now I'm what most would consider an advanced cook, I cook a lot. I consider my palate pretty good. That said, I'm not getting anything from the pipe other than the same taste no matter how or what I smoke. I'm already assuming I'm doing something wrong.
- Can't keep it lit. The aromatics are really hard to keep lit but even the dryer blends, if I don't puff every few seconds, then I'm relighting constantly. I've followed the online instructions for packing but not much luck. Could it be that the pipes are still too fresh? I only get to smoke a bowl 2-3x a week so that could be it. I'm smoking a Dr. Grabow and a cob alternately.
- Hot. The bowl gets dang hot. Probably because I'm puffing on the pipe every 5 seconds to keep it going?
Other than that I'm having fun!
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Post by Cramptholomew on Jul 4, 2019 22:31:16 GMT -5
For flavor, try retrohaling, or "snorking". You take the smoke in your mouth, but blow it out your nose. I find about 75% of the flavor, for me, is in the retrohale.
As far as packing and keeping lit, I've found it depends on the blend, the pipe, and your cadence. When I'm in the shop working, I relight 1500 times. I just can't keep a pipe lit while working - except for mowing the lawn. I couldn't get it to go out if I tried, but that's due to air movement. Don't worry about relights, or smoking to "a fine gray ash". I could count on my fingers how many times that's actually happened. I usually just get to a point where "I'm done", and dump the rest. It almost always ends up being about a thimble full.
A hot pipe could either be the pipe itself, or overcompensation. Tamp light, and tamp often, which should help you keep it lit without having to freight train it. (Choo Choo!!!). Tamp around the edges, while creating a little mound of Ash in the middle. Often, I'll dump Ash about halfway through, and that helps me to keep the pipe going.
That's my two cents.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 5, 2019 9:02:03 GMT -5
I can't really add to what has been said above, except that I'm exactly the same as you.
I can taste an array of flavours when eating or drinking. With a pipe, all I taste is smoke... Nothing else.
The nuances that I get are from smelling the smoke as I breath out. That's where the pleasure comes for me.
Also, try the Frank method of packing your pipe. It might help you...
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Post by Darin on Jul 5, 2019 11:12:48 GMT -5
Well ... someone is going to say it ... dump the goopy, wet, fake flavored aromatics and try some real tobacco. Harsh chemicals and humectants plus copious amounts of steam will never make for a good smoke, IMHO.
Dry the tobacco to the point of almost crispy but still pliable. Load the pipe loose enough to still have an open draw but with light resistance. Light the entire top of the tobacco on the first "charring light". Tamp VERY lightly and fairly often as you smoke. Slow down and just enjoy ... the rest will fall in place over time.
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Post by kxg on Jul 5, 2019 11:25:02 GMT -5
I can relate. I picked pipe smoking again last year after a 30+ year hiatus. My experience has been similar in trying to find the taste. The key for me has been learning to pack properly, which differs depending on pipe, tobacco, environment, and likely a few others that Iāve yet to discover. Proper packing helps with good cadence and keeping the pipe lit without over puffing and over heating the pipe. Itās taken awhile, but Iām getting there and you will too.
Edit: Forgot the tamping. Light, well timed tamping makes the pipe smoking experience much more enjoyable.
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Post by Low and Slow on Jul 5, 2019 11:51:45 GMT -5
Another warm welcome from Texas!
Glad that you found the patch, it has been a wonderful experience for me to develop my pipe smoking and really learn to enjoy the process fully. Youāre in the right place.
I would recommend buying small amounts of bulk tobacco, something from each genre of tobacco, English, Balkan, Aromatic, Virginia, etc. Each time you order. It helped me narrow my likings, although Iāve liked them all so far! It also helps make distinctions between the leaves and flavors used to define them. I would further agree with others on having a couple of cobs around, canāt go wrong!
All I would add is to enjoy the journey! Think of making good bbq or a pot of beans. Low and slow gets the flavors going!
Good luck, and enjoy!
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Post by dumont on Jul 5, 2019 20:15:53 GMT -5
For flavor, try retrohaling, or "snorking". You take the smoke in your mouth, but blow it out your nose. I find about 75% of the flavor, for me, is in the retrohale. As far as packing and keeping lit, I've found it depends on the blend, the pipe, and your cadence. When I'm in the shop working, I relight 1500 times. I just can't keep a pipe lit while working - except for mowing the lawn. I couldn't get it to go out if I tried, but that's due to air movement. Don't worry about relights, or smoking to "a fine gray ash". I could count on my fingers how many times that's actually happened. I usually just get to a point where "I'm done", and dump the rest. It almost always ends up being about a thimble full. A hot pipe could either be the pipe itself, or overcompensation. Tamp light, and tamp often, which should help you keep it lit without having to freight train it. (Choo Choo!!!). Tamp around the edges, while creating a little mound of Ash in the middle. Often, I'll dump Ash about halfway through, and that helps me to keep the pipe going. That's my two cents. Will do. Actually, though I didn't know it, I "snorkle" all the time. Habit from college ;-) The light tamp makes sense. I can't really add to what has been said above, except that I'm exactly the same as you. I can taste an array of flavours when eating or drinking. With a pipe, all I taste is smoke... Nothing else. The nuances that I get are from smelling the smoke as I breath out. That's where the pleasure comes for me. Also, try the Frank method of packing your pipe. It might help you... Will try that! Well ... someone is going to say it ... dump the goopy, wet, fake flavored aromatics and try some real tobacco. Harsh chemicals and humectants plus copious amounts of steam will never make for a good smoke, IMHO. Dry the tobacco to the point of almost crispy but still pliable. Load the pipe loose enough to still have an open draw but with light resistance. Light the entire top of the tobacco on the first "charring light". Tamp VERY lightly and fairly often as you smoke. Slow down and just enjoy ... the rest will fall in place over time. OK, I was already leaning that direction. I have no interest in aromatics BUT my brother, who is also getting into pipes, asked me to order some up. Frankly I don;t get it, I can't even tell they smell particularly different. And yes, they are WET! I have been tamping pretty firm as I read it should draw like a thin malt. Will try lighter. I can relate. I picked pipe smoking again last year after a 30+ year hiatus. My experience has been similar in trying to find the taste. The key for me has been learning to pack properly, which differs depending on pipe, tobacco, environment, and likely a few others that Iāve yet to discover. Proper packing helps with good cadence and keeping the pipe lit without over puffing and over heating the pipe. Itās taken awhile, but Iām getting there and you will too. Edit: Forgot the tamping. Light, well timed tamping makes the pipe smoking experience much more enjoyable. Ditto! Another warm welcome from Texas! Glad that you found the patch, it has been a wonderful experience for me to develop my pipe smoking and really learn to enjoy the process fully. Youāre in the right place. I would recommend buying small amounts of bulk tobacco, something from each genre of tobacco, English, Balkan, Aromatic, Virginia, etc. Each time you order. It helped me narrow my likings, although Iāve liked them all so far! It also helps make distinctions between the leaves and flavors used to define them. I would further agree with others on having a couple of cobs around, canāt go wrong! All I would add is to enjoy the journey! Think of making good bbq or a pot of beans. Low and slow gets the flavors going! Good luck, and enjoy! BBQ...I just snagged a 120gal propane tank to mimic Franklin's offset! The build begins. Yes, I'm trying a lot to a hang of this. Now I am thinking I'd like to start picking up some inexpensive pipes but where to begin? I used to drool over the meerschaums as a kid (we used to have at least 2 dedicated pipe shops in our small town of 150k....now we have none).
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Post by Mac on Jul 6, 2019 17:51:01 GMT -5
I pretty much recommend estate pipes for the best value, but I buy only on personal inspection, and if you have no shops nearby....
And forget packing "methods". If you've dried the tobacco sufficiently, it's a breeze to load up and ignite the tobacco.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 6, 2019 18:22:54 GMT -5
Welcome from Pittsburgh.
Mr Brog may be worth a look if you're looking for cheap pipes. I think their pipes are pear wood, but my brother likes them. I think you'll be hard pressed to find a briar that cheap, unless it's an estate pipe (fancy word for used). Even a Dr Grabow will likely cost you around $40. That is where I'd recommend you start.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 19:18:27 GMT -5
Well ... someone is going to say it ... dump the goopy, wet, fake flavored aromatics and try some real tobacco. Harsh chemicals and humectants plus copious amounts of steam will never make for a good smoke, IMHO. Dry the tobacco to the point of almost crispy but still pliable. Load the pipe loose enough to still have an open draw but with light resistance. Light the entire top of the tobacco on the first "charring light". Tamp VERY lightly and fairly often as you smoke. Slow down and just enjoy ... the rest will fall in place over time. I second this advice. š
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Post by clintonvilleleather on Jul 7, 2019 9:45:33 GMT -5
Start with a cob anyway. You can enjoy it while you are shopping for the briar you want. Those of us with many expensive pipes still smoke cobs occasionally. Oh, and welcome from Humble,Texas. a 3 pack of legend seconds is available on the Missouri Meerschaum site. I have owned all manner of high end makers pipes and am puffing on a cob right now š
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Post by sipipedude on Jul 13, 2019 12:00:05 GMT -5
Also from Illinois. And new here myself. so, welcome. There are as many options for a starter as there are people. But, I would suggest looking for an estate pipe for that cost range. Of course, āestateā just menās used. but you can find a very decent briar for $25-45. And I would choose on looks for first pipe and with not too short a stem. This keeps the smoke out of your face and the heat away from your tongue (at least until you get proficient at pipe smoking). Be persistent, it is a little bit art and a little bit science. If I can help with a pipe, check out my Facebook page SI Pipe Dude.
Also, to the long in the tooth collectors: Can you help identify a maker that turned up in a collection I just bought? Looks to be a first initial (A) and a last name stating with an (M). See photo if I can get it loaded here. Sorry, I havenāt learned how to floppy a picture into this post yet. So, last name starts with an M and loos to be āMartellā or something close. Also looks to end in double LL
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Post by dumont on Jul 13, 2019 14:41:22 GMT -5
Thanks Walkman! That's my 79'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 14:50:59 GMT -5
Carter Hall will resolve most of the issues you cite.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 13, 2019 15:55:16 GMT -5
Also from Illinois. And new here myself. so, welcome. There are as many options for a starter as there are people. But, I would suggest looking for an estate pipe for that cost range. Of course, āestateā just menās used. but you can find a very decent briar for $25-45. And I would choose on looks for first pipe and with not too short a stem. This keeps the smoke out of your face and the heat away from your tongue (at least until you get proficient at pipe smoking). Be persistent, it is a little bit art and a little bit science. If I can help with a pipe, check out my Facebook page SI Pipe Dude. Also, to the long in the tooth collectors: Can you help identify a maker that turned up in a collection I just bought? Looks to be a first initial (A) and a last name stating with an (M). See photo if I can get it loaded here. Sorry, I havenāt learned how to floppy a picture into this post yet. So, last name starts with an M and loos to be āMartellā or something close. Also looks to end in double LL you might be best asking this question in a new thread. You'll get a better response there as more people will read it.
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Post by dumont on Jul 26, 2019 18:43:46 GMT -5
OK, the training goes on! I've picked up a couple "estate" pipes from the local antique shop. Prices were pretty good at about $15 each. 1. Savinelli Capri Bruna (can't make out the number) 2. Harden Court Algerian Briar As I know nothing about vintage pipes I have no idea if I overpaid or if these are decent pipes. I knew the names and I liked them so I bought them. I'd like a little direction on sanitizing and refurbing them. The bowls, shank, etc look good on both pipes but do need cleaning. The bit on the Savinelli is broken. I'd have to regrind and shorten it quite a bit to be usable. I have the skill but is it advisable or should I just source a new stem entirely?
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jul 26, 2019 19:21:37 GMT -5
Don't know how I missed this...but welcome to the Patch...can't believe the number of members who have drifted away from "home".
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Post by dumont on Aug 5, 2019 15:01:36 GMT -5
Can one of you gents point me in the right direction on these estate pipes?
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 5, 2019 15:36:07 GMT -5
Can one of you gents point me in the right direction on these estate pipes? You'll get some help here, but if you post this question as a new question in the pipes and pad section, you'll get much more views and responses.
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Post by elric on Aug 5, 2019 21:01:26 GMT -5
OK, the training goes on! I've picked up a couple "estate" pipes from the local antique shop. Prices were pretty good at about $15 each. 1. Savinelli Capri Bruna (can't make out the number) 2. Harden Court Algerian Briar As I know nothing about vintage pipes I have no idea if I overpaid or if these are decent pipes. I knew the names and I liked them so I bought them. I'd like a little direction on sanitizing and refurbing them. The bowls, shank, etc look good on both pipes but do need cleaning. The bit on the Savinelli is broken. I'd have to regrind and shorten it quite a bit to be usable. I have the skill but is it advisable or should I just source a new stem entirely? If I'm not mistaken, that Savinelli is a Root Briar. For $15 that's a bargain. I'd have a new stem made. Members here can point you towards trusted pipe makers [We have a few skilled craftsman here who might offer that service] Get yourself some isopropyl alcohol. Soak and clean the mouthpieces. Fill the bowl and tenon with cottonwool that's soaked in ISO. Leave for 24 hours and this will sanitize your pipes. When I first started to build a rotation I made a few poor purchases of estate pipes. Lesson learned; now I only buy estate pipes from a couple of trusted vendors pipe who professionally refurbish them. One does not need spend big $$$ for a good pipe. My MM Cobs and Dr Grabow pipes get as much use, if not more, than my fancier George Jensen, Savinelli, Rossi and Lorenzo pipes for example. Here's a seller from whom I've bought many pipes [too many!] mostly vintage old stock briars. markenpipes.com Excellent prices for quality pipes. Check out the brand new 80's Venini briars. I've got 6 Venini's, just having bought another two just recently from this website. Both were under $35; bargain. Decent sized bowls with thick chamber walls. Postage from Germany is $8usd for up to 6-8 pipes.
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Post by elric on Aug 5, 2019 21:16:04 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of aromatics. Many are way too moist and need drying. Blends that contain propyl-glycol I'd avoid altogether.
As already mentioned, buy yourself 2 ounces of blends from different genres. If you like a little sweetness, try semi-aro's with a very light topping. Orlik Golden Sliced is one that is very popular that I'd highly recommend. Peter Stokkebye Luxury Navy Flake and Luxury Bullseye Flake are another two high on my list.
When I first found on-line tobacconists, I started with aromatics like Mark Twain and Moes Confetti. Neither are too moist or over the top on flavouring but as my tastes changed I found them too sweet none-the-less. Tobacco is crazy expensive here in Oz so nothing goes to waste. An easy fix to make these blends more suited for my tastes was to simply mix them 50/50 with Windsail Virginia. Windsail comes a bit on the dry side so it's perfect for blending with moist aromatics.
And as Cramps said; learn to lightly tamp regularly to keep relighting to a minimum.
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 6, 2019 6:47:33 GMT -5
Welcome to the Patch were the recommendations are numerous and options flow like a river. Q
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