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Post by trailboss on Apr 25, 2018 22:13:03 GMT -5
On the advice of a person that told me they had noticed some McClellands in stock, but he wasn't sure what blends....it was on my way home from work, i decided to check it out...mostly aromatics, but she did have:
Royal Cajun in 50 gram tins for $35.00 apiece 221 B Arcadia series 50 gram tins for $35.00 apiece.
'Buy these, you will be able to sell them for a thousand bucks apiece!"
I am so glad that I bought most of my 100 gram tins of Christmas cheer online at about $16.00 a tin and I don't begrudge the fact at the same time I bought some from Ye Old Pipe shop for $22.00 a tin, I recognize that they have an overhead to meet.
Later she told me that she had some unobtainium cigars awhile back that had a limited release and most sellers sold them for $25.00 a stick, so she started selling hers for $45.00 a stick. She said that Dan Tobacco is going to stop shipping to the US because of "the trade policy...Or trade factor"...something of the sort, but at $14.00 a tin for the lone Hamboorger Beermaster, that seemed more reasonable, so I bought that.
She told me that some guy out of state sent his mom in to buy all of the frog morton that she had, he spent $500.00 on it...at the same price that would probably be 12 tins when you factor taxes.
I get the idea of supply and demand, and that people have their overhead to take care of, but at some point it smells like predatory pricing to me, and chases the consumer to the online retailer...I am glad that where we meet at, they don't engage in the same practices.
Glad that I started my cellar when I did, so for those people that lack that the ability to do so, or those in the future that decide to pick up the pipe.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 22:56:57 GMT -5
Always up for some Royal Cajun, wish I new Ye Olde Shoppe had them in stock!
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Post by trailboss on Apr 25, 2018 23:16:12 GMT -5
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Post by trailboss on Apr 25, 2018 23:24:23 GMT -5
Always up for some Royal Cajun, wish I new Ye Olde Shoppe had them in stock! In case I was misunderstood...Ye olde wasn’t the shop that I went to today. The owner of the cigar shop we meet at told me that when he managed the Tinderbox, when the owner decided to close the business, he bought a ton of McC tins, several were a very limited run of organic tobacco’s that Mike McNeil dipped his toes in the water on. He has a boatload of Christmas Cheer....All of his tins have several years age on them, and when he gets around to it, he is going to sell them on the secondary market for what they will bring in.... but that would be doing so as a private seller and not through the business. Makes sense to me since he bought them as a consumer. Wish I had been around when that took place.... That Tinderbox near the Fiesta mall, was a great store with an abundant supply.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 0:01:58 GMT -5
Will be watching the secondary markets with an open bank account!
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Post by Dramatwist on Apr 26, 2018 1:02:12 GMT -5
...I hate to see the B&Ms go, but I understand the dynamic going on...
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Post by gav on Apr 26, 2018 3:18:15 GMT -5
SP sold 1000's of tins of 40th, and the frogs in the past few months at below retail. How can anyone compete with that? They didn't put a limit until the last week. Only thing that kinda pissed me off.
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 26, 2018 3:33:17 GMT -5
I would have thought there was a law to prevent established retailers from charging way above retail price for items.
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Post by Dramatwist on Apr 26, 2018 3:37:14 GMT -5
I would have thought there was a law to prevent established retailers from charging way above retail price for items. ...one would think so... apparently not...
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 26, 2018 3:39:58 GMT -5
I would have thought there was a law to prevent established retailers from charging way above retail price for items. ...one would think so... apparently not... That's interesting. I wonder if there is in the UK. I'm pretty sure there is. I must look it up. Edit: apparently not (now I didn't look too hard so I may be wrong) ... Are we allowed to charge whatever price we like? Usually, you are free to charge whatever price you wish to compete in the market. However, you must not use pricing in an anti-competitive manner. For example: - you must not use 'predatory' pricing, deliberately underpricing your product to drive competitors out of business and discourage new competitors -you must not conspire with competitors to fix prices in a cartel
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Post by Stanhill on Apr 26, 2018 4:16:38 GMT -5
I would have thought there was a law to prevent established retailers from charging way above retail price for items. Here in Denmark, the tobacco prices are fixed and set by the government. No retailer is allowed to charge above the amount on the little tax sticker.
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Post by beardedmi on Apr 26, 2018 7:50:17 GMT -5
I think the minimum pricing is state to state but I don't have any ideas about maximums. The minimums only apply to packaged and rolled cigarettes as far as I know.
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Post by daveincollamer on Apr 26, 2018 8:03:22 GMT -5
I would have thought there was a law to prevent established retailers from charging way above retail price for items. ...one would think so... apparently not... Free market is free market, BM stores actions, only perpetuate their demise when they gouge customers. I don't want to hear wailing from store owners, that didn't treat their customers right, causing them to go out of business. The BM stores that think of customer service first, will always be around. My two cents.
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Post by trailboss on Apr 26, 2018 8:10:19 GMT -5
...one would think so... apparently not... Free market is free market, BM stores actions, only perpetuate their demise when they gouge customers. I don't want to hear wailing from store owners, that didn't treat their customers right, causing them to go out of business. The BM stores that think of customer service first, will always be around. My two cents. I couldn't agree more.
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 26, 2018 9:11:07 GMT -5
Free market is free market, BM stores actions, only perpetuate their demise when they gouge customers. I don't want to hear wailing from store owners, that didn't treat their customers right, causing them to go out of business. The BM stores that think of customer service first, will always be around. My two cents. I couldn't agree more. Me neither
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Post by SCF Dan on Apr 26, 2018 10:11:07 GMT -5
On the advice of a person that told me they had noticed some McClellands in stock, but he wasn't sure what blends... I think I know who that was. : )Royal Cajun in 50 gram tins for $35.00 apiece 221 B Arcadia series 50 gram tins for $35.00 apiece. Yep, I can confirm that I bought these exact tins at that shop a week before Arizona Pipe Club (4/14). Cost: $15 each.'Buy these, you will be able to sell them for a thousand bucks apiece!" The owner also told me that she was aware of the frenzy for McClelland tins on eBay.Later she told me that she had some unobtainium cigars awhile back that had a limited release and most sellers sold them for $25.00 a stick, so she started selling hers for $45.00 a stick. The owner told me something similar.
This shop's Yelp reviews reveal some issues with how the shop is run, and that will help folks decide whether to visit the shop in the future. I have mixed feelings on the shop as I believe part of the issue is cultural, and there are issues that this shop faces in the part of town that it's in. In any event, I will likely not return with much frequency but will visit other shops close by.
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Post by zambini on Apr 26, 2018 12:46:33 GMT -5
I feel that sometimes we expect too much from B&Ms in comparison to on-line sites. The on-line stores practice unfair pricing by avoiding state taxes and must go out of their way to provide bad customer service (given that the consumer interface is on-line). The B&Ms have lost massive market share over these issues for years and are unlikely to ever recover whilst at the same time a lot of us yearn for greater personal interaction within the hobby. In short, we could be better off letting some of these minor issues go for the long term health of the hobby.
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Post by trailboss on Apr 26, 2018 12:57:40 GMT -5
Thanks Dan... didn’t want to name names:)
I was amazed at how candid she was about her willingness to double the cigar prices and in the case of the McC, triple it.... said to a first time shopper. On the upside, she might be a gouger, but she is honest about it.
I agree about the cultural side of it...I could see her working a bazaar.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Apr 26, 2018 14:28:38 GMT -5
As you said, I am glad I was able to get this much of a jump on my cellar because I honestly believe we are seeing the end of an industry. I'm gonna continue to TAD my arse off for the foreseeable future because I have maybe thirty-fourty years of living; about ten years worth of smoke; and precisely zero desire to pay $25 a pouch for Carter Hall in five years. haha
B&Ms can sell me pipes and the occasional novelty tin. I'm not in a position where I can afford to pay their store lease and send their kids to college with my tobacco budget. haha
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 26, 2018 15:54:36 GMT -5
As you said, I am glad I was able to get this much of a jump on my cellar because I honestly believe we are seeing the end of an industry. I'm gonna continue to TAD my arse off for the foreseeable future because I have maybe thirty-fourty years of living; about ten years worth of smoke; and precisely zero desire to pay $25 a pouch for Carter Hall in five years. haha B&Ms can sell me pipes and the occasional novelty tin. I'm not in a position where I can afford to pay their store lease and send their kids to college with my tobacco budget. haha take comfort in the fact that some people HAVE to pay around that right now... And my cellar is way too low.
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Post by gav on Apr 26, 2018 15:58:59 GMT -5
I spent my all cash on dunhill and syrians and then Bam Mcclelland goes under and everything was gone in a couple of weeks at normal prices. Still got some but all the red blends were gone by that time. I know there are people on this board who hoarded more than they will ever smoke. so share the wealth!
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 26, 2018 16:02:12 GMT -5
I spent my all cash on dunhill and syrians and then Bam Mcclelland goes under and everything was gone in a couple of weeks at normal prices. Still got some but all the red blends were gone by that time. I know there are people on this board who hoarded more than they will ever smoke. so share the wealth! fat chance of that. I'm going to stock up on Germain just to piss you Americans off.
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Post by Darin on Apr 27, 2018 19:29:19 GMT -5
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Post by Wolfman on Apr 28, 2018 8:45:08 GMT -5
I believe in supporting local businesses. Unfortunately, I can’t afford to buy tobacco locally anymore. In NY, the government levies a 75 percent tax on pipe tobacco. Last year I bought a tin of EMP at Barclay Rex. I paid $22. That translates to $12.50 to the store. $12.50 is reasonable, but $22 isn’t. Overhead costs and rent are prohibitly expensive in NYC. Barclay Rex is one of the last independent B&Ms. They’re close to Wall Street and many of their customers are traders that buy expensive cigars. Aside from them and Davidoff, it’s nearly impossible for a small mom and pop to survive between the taxes, rents and out-of-state, non tax retailers.
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Post by trailboss on Apr 28, 2018 9:41:35 GMT -5
I spent my all cash on dunhill and syrians and then Bam Mcclelland goes under and everything was gone in a couple of weeks at normal prices. Still got some but all the red blends were gone by that time. I know there are people on this board who hoarded more than they will ever smoke. so share the wealth! I had a lull in my slush fund at precisely the time news came out about McClellands closing, I also found myself late to the game... I have probably 16 tins of Christmas Cheer, 1 each of 22,24,25,27, and dark star in 100 gram tins, 4 beacon , and 4 other various small tins but I still feel underfunded on the McC’s.
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Post by Dramatwist on Apr 28, 2018 13:40:12 GMT -5
I believe in supporting local businesses. Unfortunately, I can’t afford to buy tobacco locally anymore. In NY, the government levies a 75 percent tax on pipe tobacco. Last year I bought a tin of EMP at Barclay Rex. I paid $22. That translates to $12.50 to the store. $12.50 is reasonable, but $22 isn’t. Overhead costs and rent are prohibitly expensive in NYC. Barclay Rex is one of the last independent B&Ms. They’re close to Wall Street and many of their customers are traders that buy expensive cigars. Aside from them and Davidoff, it’s nearly impossible for a small mom and pop to survive between the taxes, rents and out-of-state, non tax retailers. ...I lived in Manhattan for 10 years back in the 80s and 90s. My nice walk up on the West Side was $250 a month (rent control) and the Mom and Pop pipe shops still existed... they weren't thriving at that point, but they were hanging on...
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Post by Stanhill on Apr 28, 2018 16:04:57 GMT -5
Back in the days of old, not that many years ago, we had 5 pipe shops on the pedestrian street, Strøget, here in Copenhagen and Pibe Dan "Don't pass...Buy, when you pass by", just around the corner. Today there's not one left. The Danish Pipe Shop moved to new premises on the 1st of October 2016, but still. I buy my tobacco and whatever pipe paraphenelia I might need from them to support them, as in "Use it or lose it", but then again, I found one of my favourite brands, McConnell, on a German homepage, costing a little over half the price of what we pay here and that, I simply can't afford not to buy. As soon as there's money involved, my principles go out the window.
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Post by Wolfman on Apr 28, 2018 17:41:28 GMT -5
I believe in supporting local businesses. Unfortunately, I can’t afford to buy tobacco locally anymore. In NY, the government levies a 75 percent tax on pipe tobacco. Last year I bought a tin of EMP at Barclay Rex. I paid $22. That translates to $12.50 to the store. $12.50 is reasonable, but $22 isn’t. Overhead costs and rent are prohibitly expensive in NYC. Barclay Rex is one of the last independent B&Ms. They’re close to Wall Street and many of their customers are traders that buy expensive cigars. Aside from them and Davidoff, it’s nearly impossible for a small mom and pop to survive between the taxes, rents and out-of-state, non tax retailers. ...I lived in Manhattan for 10 years back in the 80s and 90s. My nice walk up on the West Side was $250 a month (rent control) and the Mom and Pop pipe shops still existed... they weren't thriving at that point, but they were hanging on... I was paying $1000/month for my first walk up apartment back in 1996. It was a crazy amount of rent then for two tiny rooms. That same apartment rents for close to $2400 today!
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 28, 2018 17:49:09 GMT -5
That's bonkers. Where was that?
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Post by Dramatwist on Apr 28, 2018 17:56:54 GMT -5
That's bonkers. Where was that? ...NYC, Manhattan...
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