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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 17:56:47 GMT -5
When Lane offered 1-Q and BCA in tins, I thought they would flop (in view of bulk prices), but every time SP has a 20% off sale, they sell out. Can there be a difference or is it the convenience factor in play?
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Post by JimInks on May 23, 2018 17:59:57 GMT -5
Maybe some people just prefer tins?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 18:11:02 GMT -5
To me, the tinned "can" have a better note. Bulk may be more exposed to air. Sometimes I've bought a pound of bulk, hoping for a sealed bag, but it winds up in a generic zip lock.
I find that the smaller bulk amounts can suffer pretty badly from too much air/handling. I may be wrong. I may be crazy. I definitely am me.
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Post by roadsdiverged on May 23, 2018 18:19:02 GMT -5
I've noticed a difference in moisture and note in tinned vs. bulk with the Dunhill blends I've been getting from SP. I'm not sure about Lane because I've only bought them in bulk, which actually arrived today.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 18:38:40 GMT -5
A percentage of users may be bulk buyers who reuse the tins?
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Post by herbinedave on May 23, 2018 18:39:54 GMT -5
They store much easier.
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Post by Matthew on May 23, 2018 18:53:41 GMT -5
It may be simply a "perceived"difference.Or that in the tin there is an anaerobic fermentation that continues until opening.A further blending of the flavors if you will.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 19:51:50 GMT -5
Good points, Matthew. Also, the bulk could be older or newer, along with inconsistent handling could make a difference. Once in the tin it is stable until the user gets it
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Post by PhantomWolf on May 23, 2018 21:35:32 GMT -5
I think tins make cellaring easier and that may saw your some people who don't wanna buy jars or a bagging solution. Also- I have heard from respected sources ;-) that CB is much better in the can than in bulk.
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Post by Stavros on May 23, 2018 21:57:41 GMT -5
I like to buy tobacco in the tin, for the tin itself, I love the art on the tins, and I like to use the tins to store miscellaneous items such as bolts, screws,fishing tackle, or even sentimental keepsakes. Or perhaps I like the tins as a souvenir of a great smoke I have had.
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Post by Legend Lover on May 24, 2018 3:01:08 GMT -5
I would prefer a tin over a pouch anytime, cos it's easier to store. And over here, our bulk is weighed into pouches (up to 50g anyway, and that's the max weight I can afford at any given time).
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Post by gav on May 24, 2018 14:23:42 GMT -5
I noticed a difference in taste between bulk and tins. Dunhill and SPC. Maybe the dense pack in the tin makes a difference over time
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 9, 2018 5:27:16 GMT -5
Hi Note This text leads to the subject at hand. My conclusion on Lane's offerings is mentioned at the end.
When it comes to Dunhill or like offerings,I buy both bulk and tins (Mainly Nightcap though 965 and EMP are present)if available. In my experience all three age nicely in jars or tins (If treated properly). Dunhill tins and bulk are also similar in flavor and other smoking characteristics (This is subject to one's interpretation.). In my opinion the greatest advantages to tins are their resale value (Though it is not my intention to sell my tobacco,one never knows what life might bring.),relatively consistent handling & storage, contamination & moisture control etc. However some of the above points are not guaranteed as tobacco companies have had tin contamination problems (C&D tins mold issues etc.)and faulty tin containers from time to time. Tin degradation (rust,broken seal etc.) is also potentially troublesome. Bulk tobacco appears to be safer upon initial inspection (open viewable product). The major problem I have seen here involves how competently the buyer handles and stores the tobacco, the tobacco's initial moisture content and the manner in which these issues are addressed. I have heard of a number of bulk contamination issues,typically mold,due to improper handling and storage. Additionally, given the amount of bulk tobacco stored,repeated storage errors and the fragile nature of jars one, if not careful,can lay waste to large amounts of tobacco. I also can see,as mentioned in posts before, how differences in storage (tins vs bulk) might promote changes in flavor. On the positive side, bulk tobaccos are less expensive, have the same tobaccos/recipe for each blend (according to the manufacturer), readily stored with small investment in jars, same if not similar taste (to my palate), properly stored can outlast tins etc. Obviously one can add and expand upon the points above and offer various criticisms. Bottom line for me, when a tobacco is offered in both bulk and tin,I have more bulk on hand (largely due to cost) and a number of tins in reserve.
I do make an exception with Lane aromatics (and the like). Why? They are aromatics (Aging aromatics, especially those largely composed of Burley and/or heavily cased etc. is of little consequence ( "Aromatic" tobaccos that have a light topping (natural tobacco flavor is very present) with plenty of Virginias and to a lesser extent oriental etc. tobaccos, can benefit from aging.) and very inexpensive. Given the above (Trusted folks with similar palates to my own taste little if any difference between Lane bulk or tin etc.)and other considerations,Lane tins cost-to-benefit is prohibitive.
I believe people probably buy Lane tins for various reasons from thinking Lane tin tobacco tastes better, convenient packaging, storage to ...... . Though I cannot definitively argue against one's palate, the other reasons are more suspect; especially contrasting the added tin cost to a relatively inexpensive bulk tobacco.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 9, 2018 6:31:41 GMT -5
Hi Note This text leads to the subject at hand. My conclusion on Lane's offerings is mentioned at the end. When it comes to Dunhill or like offerings,I buy both bulk and tins (Mainly Nightcap though 965 and EMP are present)if available. In my experience all three age nicely in jars or tins (If treated properly). Dunhill tins and bulk are also similar in flavor and other smoking characteristics (This is subject to one's interpretation.). In my opinion the greatest advantages to tins are their resale value (Though it is not my intention to sell my tobacco,one never knows what life might bring.),relatively consistent handling & storage, contamination & moisture control etc. However some of the above points are not guaranteed as tobacco companies have had tin contamination problems (C&D tins mold issues etc.)and faulty tin containers from time to time. Tin degradation (rust,broken seal etc.) is also potentially troublesome. Bulk tobacco appears to be safer upon initial inspection (open viewable product). The major problem I have seen here involves how competently the buyer handles and stores the tobacco, the tobacco's initial moisture content and the manner in which these issues are addressed. I have heard of a number of bulk contamination issues,typically mold,due to improper handling and storage. Additionally, given the amount of bulk tobacco stored,repeated storage errors and the fragile nature of jars one, if not careful,can lay waste to large amounts of tobacco. I also can see,as mentioned in posts before, how differences in storage (tins vs bulk) might promote changes in flavor. On the positive side, bulk tobaccos are less expensive, have the same tobaccos/recipe for each blend (according to the manufacturer), readily stored with small investment in jars, same if not similar taste (to my palate), properly stored can outlast tins etc. Obviously one can add and expand upon the points above and offer various criticisms. Bottom line for me, when a tobacco is offered in both bulk and tin,I have more bulk on hand (largely due to cost) and a number of tins in reserve. I do make an exception with Lane aromatics (and the like). Why? They are aromatics (Aging aromatics, especially those largely composed of Burley and/or heavily cased etc. is of little consequence ( "Aromatic" tobaccos that have a light topping (natural tobacco flavor is very present) with plenty of Virginias and to a lesser extent oriental etc. tobaccos, can benefit from aging.) and very inexpensive. Given the above (Trusted folks with similar palates to my own taste little if any difference between Lane bulk or tin etc.)and other considerations,Lane tins cost-to-benefit is prohibitive. I believe people probably buy Lane tins for various reasons from thinking Lane tin tobacco tastes better, convenient packaging, storage to ...... . Though I cannot definitively argue against one's palate, the other reasons are more suspect; especially contrasting the added tin cost to a relatively inexpensive bulk tobacco. Nicely put. I would wonder how well my local B&M protects the bulk blend from contamination.
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Aug 9, 2018 8:03:21 GMT -5
I would prefer a tin over a pouch anytime, cos it's easier to store. And over here, our bulk is weighed into pouches (up to 50g anyway, and that's the max weight I can afford at any given time). Over here Lane 1Q is $4.50 per oz at my local BM. 1 oz is 28 grams so 50 grams is 1.75 oz. how much does it cost for a 50 gram tin?
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 9, 2018 8:11:01 GMT -5
I would prefer a tin over a pouch anytime, cos it's easier to store. And over here, our bulk is weighed into pouches (up to 50g anyway, and that's the max weight I can afford at any given time). Over here Lane 1Q is $4.50 per oz at my local BM. 1 oz is 28 grams so 50 grams is 1.75 oz. how much does it cost for a 50 gram tin? I can't get Lane 1Q over here, but all our tobacco is around the same price...about $20 per 50g tin.
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Aug 9, 2018 8:12:22 GMT -5
Over here Lane 1Q is $4.50 per oz at my local BM. 1 oz is 28 grams so 50 grams is 1.75 oz. how much does it cost for a 50 gram tin? I can't get Lane 1Q over here, but all our tobacco is around the same price...about $20 per 50g tin. Dang it that rough
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 9, 2018 8:13:08 GMT -5
I can't get Lane 1Q over here, but all our tobacco is around the same price...about $20 per 50g tin. Dang it that rough Unfortunately, yes. It's why I only buy 1 tin a month.
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Aug 9, 2018 8:16:06 GMT -5
Dang it that rough Unfortunately, yes. It's why I only buy 1 tin a month. do the authorities monitor the mail?
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Post by peterd-Buffalo Spirit on Aug 9, 2018 8:22:41 GMT -5
… Frankly I find very little difference in taste between tins and bulk...I know some folks do and I certainly don't dispute their beliefs...
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 9, 2018 8:35:33 GMT -5
Unfortunately, yes. It's why I only buy 1 tin a month. do the authorities monitor the mail? If it's over a certain value, yea. I think it needs to be over £15.
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Aug 9, 2018 8:38:09 GMT -5
So if your Mum sent you a package as a gift they would tax you in it if over £15?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 8:55:41 GMT -5
Blenders will tell you that the tin and bulk tobacco’s are one of the same......I checked...did a study on cut and quality......my conclusion....tin tobacco’s are made of higher quality leaf. Dunhill Nightcap tin version is far superior to the bulk version....I can not smoke and enjoy the bulk version!! Same with Lane Medal of Valor....the tin smokes cool, plenty of woodsy sweetness. The bulk actually made me ill, dry mouth and dry hacking. However, many of the C&D bulk blends are of high quality and smoke outstanding 👌👍👍
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 9, 2018 9:30:55 GMT -5
So if your Mum sent you a package as a gift they would tax you in it if over £15? Don't want to get too off-track here, but I think gifts are ok. It's if I purchase it from an online retail that will deliver to the UK, anything over £15 gets checked.
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 9, 2018 17:32:30 GMT -5
I would prefer a tin over a pouch anytime, cos it's easier to store. And over here, our bulk is weighed into pouches (up to 50g anyway, and that's the max weight I can afford at any given time). Over here Lane 1Q is $4.50 per oz at my local BM. 1 oz is 28 grams so 50 grams is 1.75 oz. how much does it cost for a 50 gram tin? As the closest B&M is one hour away, I buy a large share of my tobacco online where prices on tobaccos vary. Lane bulk sells from ~31-34US per pd. The same blend in a tin is ~8-9US. Dunhill bulk goes for ~63-70US per pd. A tin is around ~10-13US. Comparing the relative cost one can buy ~3-4 Lane tins to 1lb bulk of the same tobaccos. Around ~5-6 tins of Dunhill tobacco can be purchased for the same price as a pd of bulk.The limitation for Dunhill is more tin offerings than bulk. The converse is true of Lane. My problem with Lane also has to do with the lack of or diminished return in aging most aromatics and potential resale. Full Disclosure: I smoke mostly non-aromatics though aromatics are definitely in my rotation. As to my cost,the figures above are not typical of what I pay. Born with a natural aversion for paying online store prices, I wait for sales or auction. The only time I might consider a Lane tin purchase is if the sale becomes attractive enough to pull me in...
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Post by monbla256 on Aug 9, 2018 17:47:37 GMT -5
The tinning process does have an effect on blends . Whenever I have bought a bulk version of a tinned blend I have noticed differences in flavor and smoking qualities. JMHO
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 9, 2018 18:10:32 GMT -5
Blenders will tell you that the tin and bulk tobacco’s are one of the same......I checked...did a study on cut and quality......my conclusion....tin tobacco’s are made of higher quality leaf. Dunhill Nightcap tin version is far superior to the bulk version....I can not smoke and enjoy the bulk version!! Same with Lane Medal of Valor....the tin smokes cool, plenty of woodsy sweetness. The bulk actually made me ill, dry mouth and dry hacking. However, many of the C&D bulk blends are of high quality and smoke outstanding 👌👍👍 Sometimes I wonder about the cut and leaf as well. Though I do not see a great disparity between tin and bulk tobaccos, differences can be present. If generally true and not a product of the lack of sample size or subjective feelings etc. , the question is why? I doubt the recipes are different. However it is not hard to imagine finding inconsistencies in a batch of a product (bulk) than in a 1.75ounce 2 gram tin sample. Second bulk comes in big bags which I have found to be not as uniform then their tinned brothers. So even if one orders an ounce or two of bulk ,the sample is still taken from a larger bag which may or may not be consistent. As a result, my policy with bulk tobacco is to buy 1lb at a time (after sampling phase is over hopefully with fairly consistent bowls.) or larger (Cost is a big factor as well) which is thoroughly mixed,inspected and generally prepared before jarring. Inspection brings me to another question. I often wondered when comparing a number of tobaccos in tin and bulk, if a bit more time is spent mixing & inspecting (Taking out any twigs, anomalies etc. addressing small issues that might have been missed before hand etc.) these tins? From what I have seen tobaccos are made in large batches which are then processed according to the demands of the final product. As I am not a manufacturer, I cannot say for sure what the differences in production might be (Videos, books and articles gives us some insight into different manufacturers' methods) but it makes for interesting conversation. Perhaps someone with real experience may chime in on the process (even if it is not about Dunhill.). Note: There are many variables that play a role in taste outside simple subjectivity or even the factors mentioned above but I would rather not go there right now😁. Frankly the idea that the Dunhill tin is far superior to bulk comes across as a bit over the top. Then again maybe you have savant taste buds😁. The differences I taste from time to time are more subtle and probably would not be an issue for many smokers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 18:24:32 GMT -5
I know friends and members of other Pipe forums that smoke and enjoy Dunhill Nightcap in the tin version but also state that the bulk version smokes horrendously!!
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 9, 2018 18:38:49 GMT -5
I know friends and members of other Pipe forums that smoke and enjoy Dunhill Nightcap in the tin version but also state that the bulk version smokes horrendously!! Pipe smokers can be interesting folks influenced by a host of things ( Like the human race but 1° off axis😁). There are many potential reasons why one might have a different experience with bulk and tin of the same tobacco, besides those listed. Maybe a controlled experiment is in order? 😁 In all seriousness, I do not discount your opinion or those of others. It might be you all have better palates. But the strong nature in one's choice of words (horrendous) makes me wonder if other factors are involved. PS: I remember reading a few posts in other forums where GL Pease toppings or no toppings subject came up. A number of smokers swore they tasted toppings and Mr Peace himself addressed the issue by saying there are no toppings (He meant outside the normal casing ,typically sugar water, used for base tobacco preparation. I think Virginia Cream is still the only GL Pease tobacco with toppings ( toppings confirmed by. GL Pease Inc.); a very lightly cased,Virginia dominant tobacco.). There appeared to be a number of folks that simply did not believe him though most carried their opinions elsewhere ( other forums etc.). GL Pease is correct . I also believe one's tastes can be influenced by many factors and interpretations governed by experience. For example, does the smoker really understand that a variety of flavors can come from blending tobaccos together and that maybe just maybe he or she has not completed his or her understanding of these flavors? Tastes like casing but it's snot.. I mean not.... Did I just age myself? 😁
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 9, 2018 19:52:04 GMT -5
The tinning process does have an effect on blends . Whenever I have bought a bulk version of a tinned blend I have noticed differences in flavor and smoking qualities. JMHO There can be differences between the taste of bulk and tins (How much difference there is and the reason why varies.). The questions, I pose, speculate about and try to answer is how and why they might be different other than subjective evaluation. And if there is anything one can objectively do to alter or change a tobacco's perception. I base this on my experience, a bit of studying/reading and conversation. For example there was a tobacco blend I tried where my initial two bowls were very different. The first bowl I enjoyed. The second time, the blend was bland washed out. The change was significant enough to force me to question other factors than the blend itself;A blend taken from the same source with the same moisture levels etc. Questions like: What state of mind was I in? What did I eat? Did I cleanse my palate beforehand? Did I pick up the wrong pipe ( An aromatic dedicated pipe for an English blend)? Did I clean and rest the pipe well and long enough? Did I pack the bowl correctly? Was I controlling my puffing properly? Etc. ? As I went through the litany it dawned on me that I had not used the pipe in a long time and was not sure when it was last cleaned. Low and behold with cleaning the problem disappeared. Smoking pipes and cigars, I have found that many factors can influence taste and should be considered not limited to the tobacco alone. PS Funny enough sometimes switching between a pipe or cigar renews the palate, other times taking a break works wonders and do not forget to brush and use mouth wash(smart for taste and health). Man I sound like my mother...😁 Does that mean I have mommy issues? 😁
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