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Post by mrphillips on Jun 13, 2018 20:22:34 GMT -5
I recently put up a thread about a 25 year aged tobacco I came across, and it is black as night. The gentleman who sold it to me said it was a VA based blend, but that's all he knew.
Is it possible for virginians (of any variety) to darken over long term aging?
As always, thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 20:51:44 GMT -5
Some Virginia’s grown now have darker leaf, not so much 25 years ago. Wonder if what you came across is a dark fired Kentucky tobacco/blend.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 21:18:44 GMT -5
Yes, some tobaccos will darken with age; however, I wouldn’t be put off by those which may not. Tasty stuff.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 13, 2018 21:24:59 GMT -5
With just a few years on it, Peter Stokkebye’s tri-fecta of coins and flakes darkens considerably, and gets much better.
Escudo and Dunhill Navy Rolls also do the same.
I think that there comes a point of diminishing returns though.
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Post by papipeguy on Jun 13, 2018 21:26:21 GMT -5
This is a tin I opened when it was 35 years old. If you look at a new tin you'd see that the blend is very much lighter. BTW, this stuff was heaven to smoke.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 13, 2018 21:30:28 GMT -5
This is a tin I opened when it was 35 years old. If you look at a new tin you'd see that the blend is very much lighter. BTW, this stuff was heaven to smoke. MacBaren Scottish Mixture is definitely a wonderful blend, but for me to enjoy my cellared at 35 years, I will be in my nineties. Almost as old as Basil Meadows!
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Post by papipeguy on Jun 13, 2018 21:35:38 GMT -5
Charlie, I found that tin in my parents basement in 2012. I probably left it there when I moved out in 1977 though it's possible it may have been older.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 21:36:27 GMT -5
Image below is Tinderbox Peach Melba or Mango Tango. Same tobaccos, but different flavor. 8-10 years later they are completely black
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 21:49:10 GMT -5
True, Virginia’s get darker with age. But I’ve never seen a straight Virginia turn a very dark brown/black. If the Virginia you were lucky to find was flue cured it will get dark brown with age. Send an ounce to the best tobacco reviewer we all know, he might be able to smoke a bowl or two and figure the puzzle out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 21:54:33 GMT -5
Image below is Tinderbox Peach Melba or Mango Tango. Same tobaccos, but different flavor. 8-10 years later they are completely black Definitely a tobacco that’s been topped will get that dark. I have two blends that were topped, one peach and one natural maple. Both now look like black Cavendish. Both blends are over 20 years old.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 14, 2018 4:03:17 GMT -5
I'm learning a lot in this thread. Cheers people.
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Post by haebar on Jun 14, 2018 5:02:15 GMT -5
If you expose it to sunlight for an extended period of time (regardless of the temperature) tobacco will get lighter in color.
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Post by Stanhill on Jun 14, 2018 6:03:25 GMT -5
Blue Capstan from the sixties:
Blue Capstan from 2018:
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Post by Wolfman on Jun 14, 2018 6:05:28 GMT -5
I recently opened a 16 year old tin of FVF and it’s not dark brown, it’s more of a jet black dark brown. It tastes great too. Enjoy
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Post by Wolfman on Jun 14, 2018 6:06:20 GMT -5
Blue Capstan from the sixties:
Blue Capstan from 2018:
That must be great.
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Post by Stanhill on Jun 14, 2018 6:16:10 GMT -5
Blue Capstan from the sixties:
Blue Capstan from 2018:
That must be great. Unfortunately it had been opened; even after careful moisturizing, it tasted almost of nothing and it had a disturbing whiff of stale urine and no, I didn't, I just used plain tap water for said moisturizing.
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Post by Wolfman on Jun 14, 2018 6:56:34 GMT -5
StanhillI’m so sorry. That would break my heart. 😢
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 14, 2018 6:57:13 GMT -5
Unfortunately it had been opened; even after careful moisturizing, it tasted almost of nothing and it had a disturbing whiff of stale urine and no, I didn't, I just used plain tap water for said moisturizing.
Lol.
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Post by mrphillips on Jun 14, 2018 8:22:15 GMT -5
This is a tin I opened when it was 35 years old. If you look at a new tin you'd see that the blend is very much lighter. BTW, this stuff was heaven to smoke. MacBaren Scottish Mixture is definitely a wonderful blend, but for me to enjoy my cellared at 35 years, I will be in my nineties. Almost as old as Basil Meadows! Wonderful video and picture! The description they give of that 45yr. tin - the "ripe fruit" smell - matches my mystery batch aroma to a T. He mentioned that it was mostly virginia based with some "original Black Cavendish" from the 60's. I'm not sure what that means exactly, but it gives me a great start in my attempts to make something close to my latest find. The other pictures of how the tobaccos have changed over time also gives great insight. Thanks to all! Keep the conversation going!
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Post by mrphillips on Jun 14, 2018 11:12:54 GMT -5
On another note, what exactly is a "scottish blend"? That amazing looking mixture was labeled as a scottish blend, and after a quick online search I came up with more questions than answers.
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Post by zambini on Jun 14, 2018 17:46:24 GMT -5
On another note, what exactly is a "scottish blend"? That amazing looking mixture was labeled as a scottish blend, and after a quick online search I came up with more questions than answers. While there are differences of opinion on the matter, a Scottish blend is understood to be an English blend with Cavendish (usually brown). My Mixture 965 and Aperitif are two prime examples.
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Post by Stanhill on Jun 14, 2018 19:23:41 GMT -5
Stanhill I’m so sorry. That would break my heart. 😢 True...but then again; I bought it at a flea-market for $8 and the tin was in pristine condition.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 14, 2018 21:13:58 GMT -5
On another note, what exactly is a "scottish blend"? That amazing looking mixture was labeled as a scottish blend, and after a quick online search I came up with more questions than answers. I have no other advice in that regard to saying that McBaren is my first and only experience with a Scottish blend. It really scratches my itch, and as soon as I get home from Monument valley, I am going to drag a jar from the cellar. I might have to drink some scotch to pair!
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Post by mrphillips on Jun 15, 2018 9:10:21 GMT -5
Thanks again for the info! I've recently been introduced to Green River cavendish, and I've been sneaking a little bit into my va/perique blends to cut the va (I'm not a huge va fan) and adds a wonderful sweetness.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 13:29:48 GMT -5
Stanhill I’m so sorry. That would break my heart. 😢 True...but then again; I bought it at a flea-market for $8 and the tin was in pristine condition. Did you try mixing the old & new 50/50? with Euro tobacco prices being what they are, I don't imagine you want to waste it.
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