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Post by bambooshank on Jul 17, 2018 7:44:52 GMT -5
To have a pipe cleaner run through to the bowl? I don’t mean just your ordinary basket pipe because there are high $ pipes that suffer this as well, I know a bit of twist this way, or that, may not mean much but really shouldn’t that be a part of being correctly made. Rant mode off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 7:53:43 GMT -5
Banjo, even with the stem removed you can not get a pipe cleaner thru the draft hole? Last year I had to open a draft to 5/32” and now the pipe also smokes much better👍👍
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In some cases if very minor I use a rat tail Jewelers file to ream slightly.
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Jul 17, 2018 8:19:11 GMT -5
Banjo, even with the stem removed you can not get a pipe cleaner thru the draft hole? Last year I had to open a draft to 5/32” and now the pipe also smokes much better👍👍 PS
In some cases if very minor I use a rat tail Jewelers file to ream slightly.I just modified a stem with a small Jewelers file they work Wonderful for all sorts of different things |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 10:48:18 GMT -5
IMHO, NO! it's not. I feel that there's no good reason a pipe cleaner shouldn't travel the length of the pipe without restriction if it's drilled properly including the stem and it's fitment. I'm not an authority on the subject nor am I a master pipe maker by any means of the imagination but, I strive to make pipes that preform well and are mechanically sound allowing ease of cleaning. Now there have been a few times when I've drilled a pipe and had to ramp the draft hole at the mortise to achieve this but, that was entirely my fault for not paying closer attention when drilling but, some do see this as acceptable. I feel if a pipes design is not going to let the airway and draft hole meet perfectly then the pipe shouldn't be made.
That's just my two cents on the subject and others may feel differently.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 10:56:34 GMT -5
Agree Ron, but certain types of pipe styles a pipe cleaner will not pass through the stem and draft hole into the chamber on Oom Paul Pipes. I own a few high priced and some much cheaper and not one will pass a pipe cleaner through from stem to chamber. However a pipe cleaner passes easily once the stem is removed..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 10:58:55 GMT -5
All seven of my pre-Cadogan GBD 549 bent bulldogs pass a cleaner easily. They can still be had on EBay for less than $50. Similarly, all eight of my pipes made by Mark Tinsky also pass a cleaner to the bowl. Mark is a legendary American maker who really knows how to make a pipe. His best can still be had new for less than $250 in most cases, estates for less.
It's one of the primary reasons when I decided to significantly reduce my briar collection none of these were ever under consideration. Others are long gone.
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Post by puffy on Jul 17, 2018 12:01:15 GMT -5
I once was given an expensive full bent pipe.I couldn't get a pipe cleaner to go into the bowl.I passed the pipe on to someone else.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 12:16:43 GMT -5
Agree Ron, but certain types of pipe styles a pipe cleaner will not pass through the stem and draft hole into the chamber on Oom Paul Pipes. I own a few high priced and some much cheaper and not one will pass a pipe cleaner through from stem to chamber. However a pipe cleaner passes easily once the stem is removed.. Just goes to show ya that poorly designed pipes have been around for a long time. |
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Post by monbla256 on Jul 17, 2018 12:23:45 GMT -5
That's the reason I don't smoke full bents or Peterson System pipes !  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 12:49:16 GMT -5
That's the reason I don't smoke full bents or Peterson System pipes ! Asking a lot from a maker for a full bent to pass a cleaner IMHO; however, Ron could pull it off if anybody could. I still have a couple pre-1964 Peterson System pipes. I think they function as intended although those of mine which were poorly drilled in the bowl are history. |
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Post by AJ on Jul 17, 2018 13:29:24 GMT -5
I totally agree with Ron. However, sometimes there's an exception, case and point: I have a much cherished pipe given to me by a good friend that he made by hand. It a straight stemed pipe that smokes like a dream and the draw is the best of any pipe I own. A pipe cleaner will pass all the way through the stem and stummle but there's no getting it to enter the bowl. The stem would have to turn upward a good bit. I wouldn't dare trying to have this corrected for fear of changing the great smoking qualities of this pipe. For me if the pipe delivers a superior smoking experience then whether or not a cleaner will pass through to the bowl becomes a non-issue.
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Post by bambooshank on Jul 17, 2018 13:33:33 GMT -5
I should have been much clearer, if a pipe has a super long shank that even a 12” cleaner is too short or is bent like no tomorrow it would be unrealistic of me to make the question I did. I’m talking straights and bents no more than 1/4 and less than 6” from chamber hole to end of stem, regards and thanks for all the input thus far.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 13:39:38 GMT -5
Agree Ron, but certain types of pipe styles a pipe cleaner will not pass through the stem and draft hole into the chamber on Oom Paul Pipes. I own a few high priced and some much cheaper and not one will pass a pipe cleaner through from stem to chamber. However a pipe cleaner passes easily once the stem is removed.. Just goes to show ya that poorly designed pipes have been around for a long time. Does anyone on this forum smoke an Oom Paul pipe that can pass a pipe cleaner from the stem into the chamber? I just looked thru the mortise hole and can see on 4 of my Oom Paul’s the draft holes are drilled on an angle that’s not used on any of my other pipes, I mean totally different. PS
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 13:52:08 GMT -5
I should have been much clearer, if a pipe has a super long shank that even a 12” cleaner is too short or is bent like no tomorrow it would be unrealistic of me to make the question I did. I’m talking straights and bents no more than 1/4 and less than 6” from chamber hole to end of stem, regards and thanks for all the input thus far. banjo Nice clarification Banjo. All of my non-filtered remaining briar collection pipes after thinning herd consist of straights to 1/4 bents with two exceptions. All pass cleaners from stem to bowl. It's not too much to ask; quite the contrary, it's the standard. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 14:16:38 GMT -5
Just goes to show ya that poorly designed pipes have been around for a long time. Does anyone on this forum smoke an Oom Paul pipe that can pass a pipe cleaner from the stem into the chamber? I just looked thru the mortise hole and can see on 4 of my Oom Paul’s the draft holes are drilled on an angle that’s not used on any of my other pipes, I mean totally different. PS
All of my Oom Paul pipes are excellent smokers, no complaints with how they preform. I never said they wouldn't preform properly, I just said they are poorly designed and that's my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 14:33:11 GMT -5
Does anyone on this forum smoke an Oom Paul pipe that can pass a pipe cleaner from the stem into the chamber? I just looked thru the mortise hole and can see on 4 of my Oom Paul’s the draft holes are drilled on an angle that’s not used on any of my other pipes, I mean totally different. PS
All of my Oom Paul pipes are excellent smokers, no complaints with how they preform. I never said they wouldn't preform properly, I just said they are poorly designed and that's my opinion. Ron, I agree with your opinion. I would bet one day down the road you could make me an Oom Paul not only perfect, one that has a flow of different shades of colors that would not only be a superb smoker, it would really be a looker👌👍👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 14:55:01 GMT -5
I never said they wouldn't preform properly, I just said they are poorly designed and that's my opinion. Ron, I agree with your opinion. I would bet one day down the road you could make me an Oom Paul not only perfect, one that has a flow of different shades of colors that would not only be a superb smoker, it would really be a looker👌👍👍 To be completely honest, I doubt if I ever make one because I personally don't like the looks of'em and if I'm going to make anything I have to like it. |
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Post by beardedmi on Jul 17, 2018 16:49:53 GMT -5
Agree Ron, but certain types of pipe styles a pipe cleaner will not pass through the stem and draft hole into the chamber on Oom Paul Pipes. I own a few high priced and some much cheaper and not one will pass a pipe cleaner through from stem to chamber. However a pipe cleaner passes easily once the stem is removed.. I only have one oom paul made by a canadian cousin to a yeti that passes a pipe cleaner. Its the only one I have for that very reason. |
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Post by Baboo on Jul 17, 2018 17:37:21 GMT -5
I generally don't let a little off-center pathway irk me... with so many good pipes over the years, just goes with the terrain... and it's usually an easy enough fix if the mood strikes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 17:44:53 GMT -5
Agree Ron, but certain types of pipe styles a pipe cleaner will not pass through the stem and draft hole into the chamber on Oom Paul Pipes. I own a few high priced and some much cheaper and not one will pass a pipe cleaner through from stem to chamber. However a pipe cleaner passes easily once the stem is removed.. I only have one oom paul made by a canadian cousin to a yeti that passes a pipe cleaner. Its the only one I have for that very reason. Appreciate you letting me know, thanks. I like the shape and how well they smoke. I also clench often, is great for outside reading, the Oom Paul rests well on my chin, more comfortably now with a full beard. My Ben Wade, Mastercraft, Wally Frank, Vauen, Brebbia even my Comoy’s Coronet, plus others will not pass a pipe cleaner from the stem into the chamber. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 21:32:37 GMT -5
Oh! And just to add, I won't even smoke a pipe that won't take a cleaner all the way to the chamber.
I understand about system pipes and why they are designed as such but, won't smoke them.
I feel if I have to wait till a pipe cools down to pull it apart to run a pipe cleaner through, it is more hassle then it's worth,
not to mention if a particle of tobacco gets stuck in the draft what is one suppose to do when a cleaner won't reach it?
No, No, sorry I have more important things to do then to cuss at a pipe. That's it, end of rant.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 18, 2018 4:07:32 GMT -5
I can get a pipe cleaner right through my Legend without any hassle. Just sayin'
Although, if I was to put it through from the top of the bowl it would also go right through...the bottom. But that's another matter.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 6:33:03 GMT -5
I can get a pipe cleaner right through my Legend without any hassle. Just sayin' Although, if I was to put it through from the top of the bowl it would also go right through...the bottom. But that's another matter. If you can’t get a pipe cleaner through a MM Cob it’s time for the garbage.....JMHO |
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Post by bambooshank on Jul 18, 2018 9:35:10 GMT -5
Time to put a drill bit though the shank, as time passes the interior will swell with juices then harden, this is not hard to do and similar to reaming the bowl.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 9:39:53 GMT -5
Time to put a drill bit though the shank, as time passes the interior will swell with juices then harden, this is not hard to do and similar to reaming the bowl. banjo Take your time, let us know how it smokes once your finished making the draft hole a little wider. Good luck👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 11:09:36 GMT -5
Just a quick note on military mounts. I carried Peterson 312 system pipes in my roll up during work years. They performed perfectly for the purpose intended - quick morning and after lunch smokes prior to the corporation banning smoking campus wide in my last years. They're great pipes which could be used, abused and come back for more. I kept two pre-1964 Peterson system pipes. These contain "faux hallmarks." There's a shamrock, crouched fox and a windmill stamped on the nickel shank cap. To the best of my knowledge, these are actually trade marks which Peterson discontinued sometime in 1964. The drilling on the bowl is perfect on these.
Neither would rate in my top ten of the remaining briar collection; however, they would be my top two desert island choices because they have serious half life of uranium staying power, clench like champs and are relatively indestructible. Lastly, they're also great fishing pipes.
For the reasons stated above, I gave them a pass on passing a cleaner when I thinned the herd.
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