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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 6, 2018 3:40:48 GMT -5
So a lot of you I am sure are aware that computing his a hobby for me.
I've been a FreeBSD user for a very long time... Going back to version 8 or 9 at least.
So I finally got around to upgrading from 11.1 to 11.2. Now those of you who know anything about kernels know that different software needs to have different kernel modules loaded to run. And sometimes you need that software to do basic things, like log into your graphical environment. Like your graphics card driver for instance. Damn it.
So I spent the last hour and a half trying to figure out what the hell is wrong and then what to do with it. I never had to rebuild my nvidia driver from the ports collection and then reconfigure X AND the driver after a major release. Not ever. But this time I did. MTRR? What the hell is that and why isn't it working? Damn it.
So yeah now the sleeper is running smooth as ever. Virtualbox had the same issue. Needed to be rebuilt from ports. Only those two. Nothing else.
When I run into issues like this, although they are fixable for a guy like me, I can see why we aren't a mainstream OS, nor will we ever be. I donate time and money to this organisation but we aren't made fo the mainsteam. Most people would have sent their computers down their sidewalks after trying to troubleshoot this. Even I was close.
I've still had a lot of great times with this OS and couldn't see using anything else. But any time you use a hobbyist/server/enterprise Unix os and jump off the linux/crapple (I used to be a fan, but ever since Apple left the Apple II market, they're dead to me) / Windoze bandwagon, prepare for headaches. And lots of fun, too. 5 am. Maybe I can sleep now.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 6, 2018 3:52:18 GMT -5
Wow. That impresses me. I am a bit of a geek but this is way above my level of expertise.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 6:48:02 GMT -5
BSD has come a long way since it’s first release of 7.0 based on Unix like O/S ( stable ) release back in 2008. I have a laptop with Mandriva installed, never an issue, a fairly simple GUI for most people with a minimal amount of computer skills/knowledge. I have a split partition on the hard drive, one day soon I want to install BSD 11.2 stable release too also see what O/S I prefer. I’m running CentOS on the only desktop PC I own now or in the future. I’ve been done with Windows personally since the early release of version 8, known as.......the headache!!! Although I’m quite proficient with Windows 10 because it’s the O/S my grandchildren use mostly. Just in case they ever have an issue, once a month I make a “ True Image “ of their hard drive just to have a clean back up. 👍👍
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 6, 2018 11:40:07 GMT -5
So a lot of you I am sure are aware that computing his a hobby for me. I've been a FreeBSD user for a very long time... Going back to version 8 or 9 at least. So I finally got around to upgrading from 11.1 to 11.2. Now those of you who know anything about kernels know that different software needs to have different kernel modules loaded to run. And sometimes you need that software to do basic things, like log into your graphical environment. Like your graphics card driver for instance. Damn it. So I spent the last hour and a half trying to figure out what the hell is wrong and then what to do with it. I never had to rebuild my nvidia driver from the ports collection and then reconfigure X AND the driver after a major release. Not ever. But this time I did. MTRR? What the hell is that and why isn't it working? Damn it. So yeah now the sleeper is running smooth as ever. Virtualbox had the same issue. Needed to be rebuilt from ports. Only those two. Nothing else. When I run into issues like this, although they are fixable for a guy like me, I can see why we aren't a mainstream OS, nor will we ever be. I donate time and money to this organisation but we aren't made fo the mainsteam. Most people would have sent their computers down their sidewalks after trying to troubleshoot this. Even I was close. I've still had a lot of great times with this OS and couldn't see using anything else. But any time you use a hobbyist/server/enterprise Unix os and jump off the linux/crapple (I used to be a fan, but ever since Apple left the Apple II market, they're dead to me) / Windoze bandwagon, prepare for headaches. And lots of fun, too. 5 am. Maybe I can sleep now. I spent most of the last 30+ years troubleshooting PCs and Macs. I too like Linux for specific applications and low powered computers. There's so many flavors that when one won't load, I wipe it and try a different flavor. I think it have Mint on the 2 netbooks, and Ubuntu on the old notebook. There must be a hundred different flavors of Linux. I am not a programmer, so build drivers is out of the question for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 12:24:01 GMT -5
I highly recommend Linux Mint for the average computer user, easy to learn and the user face is super friendly 👍👍👍
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 6, 2018 13:26:39 GMT -5
So a lot of you I am sure are aware that computing his a hobby for me. I've been a FreeBSD user for a very long time... Going back to version 8 or 9 at least. So I finally got around to upgrading from 11.1 to 11.2. Now those of you who know anything about kernels know that different software needs to have different kernel modules loaded to run. And sometimes you need that software to do basic things, like log into your graphical environment. Like your graphics card driver for instance. Damn it. So I spent the last hour and a half trying to figure out what the hell is wrong and then what to do with it. I never had to rebuild my nvidia driver from the ports collection and then reconfigure X AND the driver after a major release. Not ever. But this time I did. MTRR? What the hell is that and why isn't it working? Damn it. So yeah now the sleeper is running smooth as ever. Virtualbox had the same issue. Needed to be rebuilt from ports. Only those two. Nothing else. When I run into issues like this, although they are fixable for a guy like me, I can see why we aren't a mainstream OS, nor will we ever be. I donate time and money to this organisation but we aren't made fo the mainsteam. Most people would have sent their computers down their sidewalks after trying to troubleshoot this. Even I was close. I've still had a lot of great times with this OS and couldn't see using anything else. But any time you use a hobbyist/server/enterprise Unix os and jump off the linux/crapple (I used to be a fan, but ever since Apple left the Apple II market, they're dead to me) / Windoze bandwagon, prepare for headaches. And lots of fun, too. 5 am. Maybe I can sleep now. I spent most of the last 30+ years troubleshooting PCs and Macs. I too like Linux for specific applications and low powered computers. There's so many flavors that when one won't load, I wipe it and try a different flavor. I think it have Mint on the 2 netbooks, and Ubuntu on the old notebook. There must be a hundred different flavors of Linux. I am not a programmer, so build drivers is out of the question for me. I use linux sometimes. I like it just because its not proprietary. I keep puppy linux on a usb drive so that when I am on public wifi I am not exposed. The hard disk is encrypted and puppy doesn't even have access to it. I started out with Linux back in the 90s after John Sculley unfortunately killed Apple II. FreeBSD runs its own kernel. Its entirely its own thing. You can load up a centos kernel for emulation if you want at boot. Anyway, the FBSD kernel is what caused me all of this damn trouble last night. Once I realised what was going on (I couldn't even boot, had to go into single user. Generally, when you have to go into single user mode, it is NOT A GOOD DAY), it was actually pretty easy to fix. But you know I wasn't even getting a crashdump and everything was coming so fast I couldn't read it. So I decided to see what kernel modules might be crashing because they're not compatible with the new upgrade and bammo. After rebuilding Virtualbox everything is peachy. But maybe I shouldn't have bothered because I am switching to Bhyve anyway.
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 6, 2018 13:31:32 GMT -5
BSD has come a long way since it’s first release of 7.0 based on Unix like O/S ( stable ) release back in 2008. I have a laptop with Mandriva installed, never an issue, a fairly simple GUI for most people with a minimal amount of computer skills/knowledge. I have a split partition on the hard drive, one day soon I want to install BSD 11.2 stable release too also see what O/S I prefer. I’m running CentOS on the only desktop PC I own now or in the future. I’ve been done with Windows personally since the early release of version 8, known as.......the headache!!! Although I’m quite proficient with Windows 10 because it’s the O/S my grandchildren use mostly. Just in case they ever have an issue, once a month I make a “ True Image “ of their hard drive just to have a clean back up. 👍👍 FBSD has actually been around 24 years now. Released in 1993, the first release was simply the Jolitz' 386BSD, with a few bug patches and some added features. Anyway the whole point of this OS was always educational, server, and enterprise use. Yeah you can run a desktop on it, but thats pretty much reserved for people who really really like BSD and care enough to put the time and effort into doing that. The one really good thing I can say about it is, in my opinion its even more customisable than any of the linux distros, which is what I crave more than anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 14:21:19 GMT -5
I’m leaving to visit my daughters on Wednesday, spending time with my 3 granddaughter’s their in between 4 different doctor visits. Once I’m back home I will once again install and run BSD, believe me, I’m well educated on the O/S and I’m very capable of running command prompts. In the past, back in 2012 to through almost 2015 I wrote code for Red Hat Enterprise, I’m fairly well versed .
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 6, 2018 15:26:02 GMT -5
I bring up the history going back to the Jolitz couple in the early 90s only because I've known more than one serious Linux developer who has never touched bsd and swears it's a type of Linux. We're like the niche of niches less than .01% of computer users. It's ridiculous. But hey, Netflix serves on BSD! BUT their streaming service is incompatible with freebsd so go figure. Yeah if you want Netflix you'll need a Virtual machine Sheesh
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 6, 2018 15:30:40 GMT -5
The only tip I can give besides following this guide: cooltrainer.org/a-freebsd-desktop-howto/is to not get too discouraged when you have trouble with getting xorg to work with your graphics card. It is a royal pain in the arse but once you got it working it is worth it in the end.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 6, 2018 15:53:54 GMT -5
I hate computers although I have made my living from them for the last 40 years. They were supposed to take over the work load, not add to it. When Windows 3.1 came out office productivity dropped 45% from DOS. With Windows NT running on servers it took 5 IT guys to do what one could do with Netware and DOS. I had 2 IBM AS/400s in my office for years and all I ever had to do was change the backup tapes and kill the occasional loop. I had a client that was using the same Netware see after 25 years. My clients who used Macs managed to disable them daily simply by installing a screen saver with fish. Microsoft and Apple leap frogged each other purposely trying to keep their systems incompatible. Their huge profits are stolen and the country's national product by fraud and FUD. They shogi be liquidated and the money used to pay off the national debt, and Unix should be the nation's operating system.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 6, 2018 15:58:43 GMT -5
Virtual Operating Systems are great. Effectively bringing back the mainframe. I have run 40 operational servers on one hardware server. A Windows server running on VMWare is 9 times more dependable than one running on hardware. Virtual Box is great.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 16:00:14 GMT -5
Ummmmmm I’ll give you 10 guesses what O/S our Government uses, bet you get it right the first time. It’s used for a very good reason!!!
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 6, 2018 16:52:19 GMT -5
In the US Navy it was all about Windows. DOD same. Windows and HP computers. When I got out, I never wanted to see another HP box running Windows ever again! HP-Ux isn't too bad though.
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Post by That Falls Guy on Aug 6, 2018 18:35:58 GMT -5
I can't even get ARCH installed!
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 6, 2018 20:45:13 GMT -5
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Post by Robert Perkins on Aug 28, 2018 7:51:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I like Ubuntu a lot, and everything pretty much works from the get-go.
If they ever get Photoshop and a decent CAD program to run on it, Ubuntu is going to be a serious competitor for Windows and Mac.
Before Ubuntu, though, I ran Redhat, and there were quite a few times when I was in the same boat you are with FreeBSD.
Thank goodness there are forums around to help us when we have troubles, or I don't think any of these alternative OSs would survive.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 10:00:01 GMT -5
All I gotta say is "Thank God I'm a hardware man!" Software I leave to the smart guys.
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 28, 2018 14:15:37 GMT -5
Ever since I locked the upgrade feature in pkg for the nvidia driver port the new release hasn't been an issue. I don't know if I mentioned this before but if I build the nvidia driver from ports it fixes the bug in the graphics driver and makes it behave with the new kernel. Pkg just breaks it again. Apparently this is a pretty common thing with bsds and with Linux too. Especially with nvidia. It's just odd I've never had this problem before.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 14:51:47 GMT -5
Ever since I locked the upgrade feature in pkg for the nvidia driver port the new release hasn't been an issue. I don't know if I mentioned this before but if I build the nvidia driver from ports it fixes the bug in the graphics driver and makes it behave with the new kernel. Pkg just breaks it again. Apparently this is a pretty common thing with bsds and with Linux too. Especially with nvidia. It's just odd I've never had this problem before. Great point!!! Will also fix the bug on MSI and ASUS motherboards using Nvidia wireless drivers!!!
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