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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 17, 2018 10:16:20 GMT -5
Again, thank you all for the advice. It means a lot.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 17, 2018 10:29:23 GMT -5
Again, thank you all for the advice. It means a lot. Is there some reason why you won't get the same response in pmf?
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 17, 2018 10:55:47 GMT -5
Yeah, they make you search for everything there, which I do, but it could take YEARS to figure out exactly what I need to buy searching that site.. I feel more comfortable asking newb questions here. :-)
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 17, 2018 11:25:40 GMT -5
Yeah, they make you search for everything there, which I do, but it could take YEARS to figure out exactly what I need to buy searching that site.. I feel more comfortable asking newb questions here. :-) I'm glad you do.
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Post by slowroll on Aug 17, 2018 11:44:58 GMT -5
Steve Norse's chuck is probably better anyway. That Amazon chuck would work if your grinder shaft is threaded 7/16 - 20. I used an 1100 rpm motor with a half inch dia. Shaft for a sander drive. Easier to find an adapter with female plain end with grub screws to hold it on and male threaded shaft on the other end to screw a chuck onto. And, the low speed is better.
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Post by slowroll on Aug 17, 2018 11:52:32 GMT -5
Yeah, they make you search for everything there, which I do, but it could take YEARS to figure out exactly what I need to buy searching that site.. I feel more comfortable asking newb questions here. :-) Ask away. You won't get into a skunk pissing contest here.
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Post by Quintsrevenge on Aug 27, 2018 8:39:54 GMT -5
How’s the pipe making going ?
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 27, 2018 9:03:12 GMT -5
How’s the pipe making going ? I have the lathe, bandsaw, and grinder for sanding. Just waiting a couple weeks til my birthday for a good chuck, tower jaws, chisels, bits, buffing system, and assortment of other odds an ends to gets started. I have a bunch of well seasoned cherry wood that I'm going to start with, before I tackle any briar.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 27, 2018 10:47:18 GMT -5
Robert Perkins do you use delrin inserts, or machine your tenons? Also, what diameters of stem material would you suggest?
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Post by Robert Perkins on Aug 27, 2018 11:42:12 GMT -5
Robert Perkins do you use delrin inserts, or machine your tenons? Also, what diameters of stem material would you suggest? I like integral tenons (machined as part of the rod), which you can do quite well on a wood lathe with a skew chisel and a live-center. That's the way that I did it for the two years I was using a wood lathe. You will need a dial caliper, though, but you're going to need one of those, anway. When I do them, I stop a few thousands of an inch before I hit my target diameter and proceed super cautiously with 320 grit, until I'm in the ballpark. Then I switch to 600 grit and proceed even more cautiously a bit further. And definitely rub some carnauba wax on the tenon before each test-fit, because you don't want any stickiness to make you think you need to take off more material when you don't. One of the many advantages to integral tenons is when you use clearish acrylic, you don't see a black delrin tenon a half-inch up into your stem. Other advantages include that you have complete flexibility to fit any diameter mortise you can imagine; no glue to fail; and so on. Of course, a lot of guys like Delrin tenons, and there are a lot of advantages to that, as well. Delrin is a self-lubricating plastic, so that works out really well in a mortise-and-tenon scenario. And you don't have to agonize over fitting. Just find a drill bit that gives you the perfect mortise, and you're good to go. And the ability to replace a broken tenon fairly easily is a huge plus. Both methods have their advantages and disadvantages, but my own preference is integral tenons. As far as rod stock is concerned, 3/4-inch (20 mm) diameter will cover you for most standard pipe shapes. Later on, when you start getting into more artistic pipes, you might want some 1-inch (25 mm) diameter rod stock.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 27, 2018 12:03:40 GMT -5
Robert Perkins do you use delrin inserts, or machine your tenons? Also, what diameters of stem material would you suggest? I like integral tenons (machined as part of the rod), which you can do quite well on a wood lathe with a skew chisel and a live-center. That's the way that I did it for the two years I was using a wood lathe. You will need a dial caliper, though, but you're going to need one of those, anway. When I do them, I stop a few thousands of an inch before I hit my target diameter and proceed super cautiously with 320 grit, until I'm in the ballpark. Then I switch to 600 grit and proceed even more cautiously a bit further. And definitely rub some carnauba wax on the tenon before each test-fit, because you don't want any stickiness to make you think you need to take off more material when you don't. One of the many advantages to integral tenons is when you use clearish acrylic, you don't see a black delrin tenon a half-inch up into your stem. Other advantages include that you have complete flexibility to fit any diameter mortise you can imagine; no glue to fail; and so on. Of course, a lot of guys like Delrin tenons, and there are a lot of advantages to that, as well. Delrin is a self-lubricating plastic, so that works out really well in a mortise-and-tenon scenario. And you don't have to agonize over fitting. Just find a drill bit that gives you the perfect mortise, and you're good to go. And the ability to replace a broken tenon fairly easily is a huge plus. Both methods have their advantages and disadvantages, but my own preference is integral tenons. As far as rod stock is concerned, 3/4-inch (20 mm) diameter will cover you for most standard pipe shapes. Later on, when you start getting into more artistic pipes, you might want some 1-inch (25 mm) diameter rod stock. Thanks, Robert!
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Post by slowroll on Aug 27, 2018 12:59:18 GMT -5
I agree with Robert. I also prefer integral tenons, for all the above reasons plus 2 more. 1. Delrin is very slick and difficult to glue solidly. 2. If one chooses a particular size, you always have to use the same drill bit to drill the mortises. A difference of half a thousandth will screw up the fit. BTW, for mortises, it's good to use an end mill to finish the mortise so it has a flat bottom. I don't like forstner bits because they are not as accurate or rigid as a short end mill. One 5/16 end mill will last forever drilling briar. If you're going to make stems, start with vulcanite, acyrlic is a bitch to turn on a wood lathe with scrapers. It chips out very easily, especially the swirl color types. Also, re drilling airways and mortises, start the holes with screw machine bits. They're the short ones, not jobber bits. Use the jobber bits only after drilling as deep as you can with the short bits.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 27, 2018 13:08:43 GMT -5
I agree with Robert. I also prefer integral tenons, for all the above reasons plus 2 more. 1. Delrin is very slick and difficult to glue solidly. 2. If one chooses a particular size, you always have to use the same drill bit to drill the mortises. A difference of half a thousandth will screw up the fit. BTW, for mortises, it's good to use an end mill to finish the mortise so it has a flat bottom. I don't like forstner bits because they are not as accurate or rigid as a short end mill. One 5/16 end mill will last forever drilling briar. If you're going to make stems, start with vulcanite, acyrlic is a bitch to turn on a wood lathe with scrapers. It chips out very easily, especially the swirl color types. Also, re drilling airways and mortises, start the holes with screw machine bits. They're the short ones, not jobber bits. Use the jobber bits only after drilling as deep as you can with the short bits. Thanks, slowroll! I was looking for flat end bits. Vermont Freehand has some, but I just found some on Amazon for a lot cheaper. Do you use a forstner to true up your shank ends?
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Post by slowroll on Aug 27, 2018 13:12:42 GMT -5
A forstner is ok to true up the shank end. Or, just use the lathe chisel. BTW, true the end before you final shape the shank.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 27, 2018 13:32:46 GMT -5
A forstner is ok to true up the shank end. Or, just use the lathe chisel. BTW, true the end before you final shape the shank. from what I've seen, true up the end, fit a bit blank to it, then do final shaping? That way there's no round-over the the end of the shank at the stem fitting, correct?
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 27, 2018 13:58:07 GMT -5
And here's me thinking you just drill one big hole for the tobacco and a smaller hole for the stem and you're done.
How wrong was I?!!
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Post by Robert Perkins on Aug 27, 2018 15:07:19 GMT -5
And here's me thinking you just drill one big hole for the tobacco and a smaller hole for the stem and you're done. How wrong was I?!! Hehehe  well, that's the basic gist of it, anyway.
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Post by slowroll on Aug 27, 2018 15:16:50 GMT -5
A forstner is ok to true up the shank end. Or, just use the lathe chisel. BTW, true the end before you final shape the shank. from what I've seen, true up the end, fit a bit blank to it, then do final shaping? That way there's no round-over the the end of the shank at the stem fitting, correct? Yes, absolutely for the next-to-final furnishing. However, I always use a sacrificial short stem first to get it very close, then plug in the actual stem to final finish . Having Said that, I do initial shank shaping on the lathe with the scrapers and a live tailstock center in the mortice to prevent slippage in the chuck, which can render the shank OD and the mortise not concentric. So the shank shaping is a 3 step process.
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Post by slowroll on Aug 27, 2018 15:18:33 GMT -5
And here's me thinking you just drill one big hole for the tobacco and a smaller hole for the stem and you're done. How wrong was I?!! Well, you missed one hole-- the draft (draught to you) hole
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 27, 2018 15:48:48 GMT -5
from what I've seen, true up the end, fit a bit blank to it, then do final shaping? That way there's no round-over the the end of the shank at the stem fitting, correct? Yes, absolutely for the next-to-final furnishing. However, I always use a sacrificial short stem first to get it very close, then plug in the actual stem to final finish . Having Said that, I do initial shank shaping on the lathe with the scrapers and a live tailstock center in the mortice to prevent slippage in the chuck, which can render the shank OD and the mortise not concentric. So the shank shaping is a 3 step process. I was gonna practice with some short lengths of stem material first - as that sacrificial stem like you use. It'll help me work on mortise and tenons too, before I go ahead and screw up a good length of stem (that stuff's expensive!). I've seen a couple guys on YouTube do that, you confirmed it. I can't tell you how happy I am that you guys will answer my questions. Appreciate your help greatly, slowroll and Robert Perkins.
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Post by slowroll on Aug 27, 2018 17:44:15 GMT -5
Oh, BTW, if you make the sacrificial stem a few thou bigger, and do an even sanding job on the semi final finishing, that sacrificial stem will be good for several pipes of the same shank and stem size.
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Post by Robert Perkins on Aug 27, 2018 19:32:10 GMT -5
I can't tell you how happy I am that you guys will answer my questions. Appreciate your help greatly, slowroll and Robert Perkins . Sure thing. Always happy to help. 
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 28, 2018 1:51:32 GMT -5
All those who have helped are true gentlemen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 8:47:48 GMT -5
All those who have helped are true gentlemen. I’ve yet to come across a member of the BriarPatch with a poor attitude, like I’ve dealt with prior! A bunch of knowledgeable and helpful members amongst us 👍👍
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Post by Cramptholomew on Oct 29, 2018 22:11:17 GMT -5
Venting: Having a bit of frustration. The last 4 pipes I've started got all messed up. I've had 3 that the shank busted off on the lathe. I started working on a stacked nosewarmer for someone, and the first one got all out of center while I was turning the shank, so the drilling was no good. I started another one, and busted the shank off. I realized the there was an actual nut in the slot that my tool rest goes in (!), so my tool rest has been far too high. Hopefully removing that will solve the busting shanks. I guess with all things, there are highs and lows. The last few days in the shop have been lows. After a good bit of beginner's luck, I made a few well smoking pipes. Two were/are really good, for a beginner. I think it's time I get some better briar too. This round of cheapo ebauchons are so far out of square, that I might as well just go the Danish method with them.
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Post by slowroll on Oct 29, 2018 23:17:30 GMT -5
No matter what you pay for them, many are not square. You have to square them up. I do it on a table saw. If you think ebauchons are out of square, wait till you try a plateau.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Oct 29, 2018 23:31:36 GMT -5
No matter what you pay for them, many are not square. You have to square them up. I do it on a table saw. If you think ebauchons are out of square, wait till you try a plateau. Great. Now I need a table saw. Haha. I know, every shop needs a table saw, and I had an old one that my uncle gave me, but it was SCARY. Like the traveling carnival rollercoaster of table saws. I got rid of it. I'll check Craigslist this week. I guess after drying and curing all briar will get out of shape.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 30, 2018 0:35:03 GMT -5
Looking forward to you moving ahead on the path, if you can arrange some shop time with other carvers, I think that it can help reduce the bumps on the road...I have heard as much from other carvers....the pipe shows offer a great opportunity to network.
Pretty cool of Robert to give some great advice.
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 30, 2018 4:25:31 GMT -5
Hang in there, buddy. What I saw wasn't beginner's luck... It was talent.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Oct 30, 2018 5:51:53 GMT -5
Everybody pretty much covered all the bases...looking forward to your new pipes 'n stuff.
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