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Post by Darin on Oct 3, 2018 9:11:23 GMT -5
Looks like October sneaked up on me ... where is this year going!? The blend I chose for this month was supposed to be an aromatic. As one who seldom smokes them, there aren't many in my cellar. However, I've found J4 Mild Burley to be a versatile, easy smoking tobacco that functions really well as a blending component. The ribbon cut is fairly long and slender with hues from tan to mahogany. There's no black Cavendish which is a must for me. The topping, while applied judiciously, is alcohol based and dries easily. The scent is reminiscent of spiced rum to me. When dried really well and packed firmly in a cob, the flavoring is always present yet reveals a nice natural Burley flavor underneath ... unlike many other aro's. As stated earlier, it's great for blending and adds a mild sweetness to stronger blends. Last night, I mixed J4 with Sutliff's 515 RC and a pinch of Perique for a really nice smoke. Hope you all enjoy this mild, versatile tobacco!  |
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 3, 2018 10:57:06 GMT -5
Sounds like a nice blend. Thanks for contributing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 10:57:25 GMT -5
Darin, great review and your description of J4 is on target , the spiced rum aroma. For me as well J4 is a good tobacco for blending!!
I use Sutliff J4 Mild Burley in two of my blends. I’ve smoked it straight prior, but for me it needs to be kicked up a notch with a good Oriental and Perique tobacco 👍👍👍. Even a touch of Maduro Cavendish works well with J4.
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Post by kxg on Oct 3, 2018 11:20:25 GMT -5
So, is J4 Mild Burley and J4 Burley the same blend?
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Post by McWiggins on Oct 3, 2018 11:38:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 11:40:54 GMT -5
So, is J4 Mild Burley and J4 Burley the same blend? Sorry if I confused you above !! I was referring to the BOM J4 Mild Burley. There is also Sutliff J4 which has Kentucky tobacco. The J4 needs no help due to the fine Kentucky tobacco added👍 |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Oct 3, 2018 12:03:29 GMT -5
That's what they SAID it was, but I have my doubts, and it's unsmokeable to me now. I have a lot of it, too. Not sure what happened after I mixed the bag up, but it just tears my mouth up. I'd get some fresh, if I were you. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Oct 3, 2018 12:06:09 GMT -5
So, is J4 Mild Burley and J4 Burley the same blend? Sorry if I confused you above !! I was referring to the BOM J4 Mild Burley. There is also Sutliff J4 which has Kentucky tobacco. The J4 needs no help due to the fine Kentucky tobacco added👍 I don't think they make the one with Kentucky anymore. I looked for it a while ago, but all anyone sells is J4 Burley - no mention of Kentucky added. And I don't find the "mild Burley" anywhere, either. |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Oct 3, 2018 12:09:17 GMT -5
I forgot I had this one, it's stashed away somewhere. I'll have a bowl later on when I get home.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Oct 3, 2018 12:15:00 GMT -5
Sorry if I confused you above !! I was referring to the BOM J4 Mild Burley. There is also Sutliff J4 which has Kentucky tobacco. The J4 needs no help due to the fine Kentucky tobacco added👍 I don't think they make the one with Kentucky anymore. I looked for it a while ago, but all anyone sells is J4 Burley - no mention of Kentucky added. And I don't find the "mild Burley" anywhere, either. ok, so they only make Mild Burley now, no Kentucky. Everyone except cupojoes sells it as J4 Burley. www.sutliff-tobacco.com/aromatic-tobaccos.html |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 13:00:13 GMT -5
Sorry if I confused you above !! I was referring to the BOM J4 Mild Burley. There is also Sutliff J4 which has Kentucky tobacco. The J4 needs no help due to the fine Kentucky tobacco added👍 I don't think they make the one with Kentucky anymore. I looked for it a while ago, but all anyone sells is J4 Burley - no mention of Kentucky added. And I don't find the "mild Burley" anywhere, either. Nope, it hasn’t been available for a while. I only have two 4.oz jars of the J4 with Kentucky for the future. Also, the mild Burley J4 has not been sold @ Smokingpipes for a while, it’s been removed not back ordered anymore. Sutliff J4 Burley Pipe Tobacco Is available @ Tobaccopipes. I have no clue what’s available @ P&C. PS
The J4 available @ Tobaccopipes does not have the Kentucky. It’s the mild Burley, but not stated as mild Burley. |
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Post by kxg on Oct 3, 2018 17:15:54 GMT -5
Not that I don't trust you guys, but there seemed sufficient confusion on the issue of J4 Mild VS J4, that I decided to do a little checking. I e-mailed Sutliff customer service and received (quickly, I might add) the following response:
"...J4 Burley and J4 Mild Burley are the exact same thing. Due to FDA Regulations, the words "light" or "mild" can no longer be used when naming products so we simply omitted the word from the name..."
This came from their inside sales manager; she ought to know.
So there it is, mystery solved. Smoke away.
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 3, 2018 17:19:56 GMT -5
Not that I don't trust you guys, but there seemed sufficient confusion on the issue of J4 Mild VS J4, that I decided to do a little checking. I e-mailed Sutliff customer service and received (quickly, I might add) the following response: "...J4 Burley and J4 Mild Burley are the exact same thing. Due to FDA Regulations, the words "light" or "mild" can no longer be used when naming products so we simply omitted the word from the name..." This came from their inside sales manager; she ought to know. So there it is, mystery solved. Smoke away. Good job on getting clarification. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 17:23:04 GMT -5
Not that I don't trust you guys, but there seemed sufficient confusion on the issue of J4 Mild VS J4, that I decided to do a little checking. I e-mailed Sutliff customer service and received (quickly, I might add) the following response: "...J4 Burley and J4 Mild Burley are the exact same thing. Due to FDA Regulations, the words "light" or "mild" can no longer be used when naming products so we simply omitted the word from the name..." This came from their inside sales manager; she ought to know. So there it is, mystery solved. Smoke away. The blend that’s now being sold may be called J4, but it has no Kentucky leaf like the original J4. |
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Post by kxg on Oct 3, 2018 17:37:17 GMT -5
Not that I don't trust you guys, but there seemed sufficient confusion on the issue of J4 Mild VS J4, that I decided to do a little checking. I e-mailed Sutliff customer service and received (quickly, I might add) the following response: "...J4 Burley and J4 Mild Burley are the exact same thing. Due to FDA Regulations, the words "light" or "mild" can no longer be used when naming products so we simply omitted the word from the name..." This came from their inside sales manager; she ought to know. So there it is, mystery solved. Smoke away. The blend that’s now being sold may be called J4, but it has no Kentucky leaf like the original J4. I'm just quoting what she told me Ted. I make no claims otherwise. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 17:53:02 GMT -5
The blend that’s now being sold may be called J4, but it has no Kentucky leaf like the original J4. I'm just quoting what she told me Ted. I make no claims otherwise. Oh, I totally understand and appreciate your time and effort👌👍👍. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Oct 3, 2018 20:14:20 GMT -5
Smoking a bowl of J4 right now. I enjoy this blend. Straight, simple Burley, codger style. Very lightly topped. Nutty, earthy, sweet. Just a pleasant, uncomplicated smoke.
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Post by kxg on Oct 4, 2018 10:51:28 GMT -5
Not that I don't trust you guys, but there seemed sufficient confusion on the issue of J4 Mild VS J4, that I decided to do a little checking. I e-mailed Sutliff customer service and received (quickly, I might add) the following response: "...J4 Burley and J4 Mild Burley are the exact same thing. Due to FDA Regulations, the words "light" or "mild" can no longer be used when naming products so we simply omitted the word from the name..." This came from their inside sales manager; she ought to know. So there it is, mystery solved. Smoke away. Still being confused about the whole, Kentucky or no Kentucky issue, I asked my question differently of Sutliff's customer service. I asked, "1. Were there ever two versions of the J4? A J4 with some Kentucky, and a J4 Mild without any Kentucky? 2. Does the current version J4 have any Kentucky?" Her answer is thus: "J4 Mild Burley & J4 Burley (same product – name change due to FDA) has most definitely never contained any Kentucky. It is a natural blend of 100% long cut Burley. Only one version of J4 has ever existed in our product line. The only reason I can think that someone would think that J4 had any Kentucky would be if they purchased a blend from a brick-and-mortar retailer that did their own blending but kept the name???" She told me she checked with their VP of Operations "who oversees all the blending and has been here nearly 20 years." I hope this is useful. All I know is, J4 is a tasty blend! |
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 4, 2018 11:12:19 GMT -5
Not that I don't trust you guys, but there seemed sufficient confusion on the issue of J4 Mild VS J4, that I decided to do a little checking. I e-mailed Sutliff customer service and received (quickly, I might add) the following response: "...J4 Burley and J4 Mild Burley are the exact same thing. Due to FDA Regulations, the words "light" or "mild" can no longer be used when naming products so we simply omitted the word from the name..." This came from their inside sales manager; she ought to know. So there it is, mystery solved. Smoke away. Still being confused about the whole, Kentucky or no Kentucky issue, I asked my question differently of Sutliff's customer service. I asked, "1. Were there ever two versions of the J4? A J4 with some Kentucky, and a J4 Mild without any Kentucky? 2. Does the current version J4 have any Kentucky?" Her answer is thus: "J4 Mild Burley & J4 Burley (same product – name change due to FDA) has most definitely never contained any Kentucky. It is a natural blend of 100% long cut Burley. Only one version of J4 has ever existed in our product line. The only reason I can think that someone would think that J4 had any Kentucky would be if they purchased a blend from a brick-and-mortar retailer that did their own blending but kept the name???" She told me she checked with their VP of Operations "who oversees all the blending and has been here nearly 20 years." I hope this is useful. All I know is, J4 is a tasty blend! Great info. Thanks kxg. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 11:18:35 GMT -5
The original Sutliff Burley J4 description from Tobaccoreview:
Brand Sutliff Tobacco Company
Blended By Carl McAllister
Manufactured By Sutliff Tobacco Company
Blend Type Burley Based
Contents Burley, Kentucky
Flavoring Vanilla
Cut Broken Flake
Packaging Bulk
Country US
Production Currently available
No online retailer has had the blend with Kentucky for quite some time.
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Post by sparks on Oct 4, 2018 12:45:21 GMT -5
First, I don't put much stock into the descriptions on TR.com. They can be created by any user, and are not often verified by the manufacturer.
I think there may also be some confusion with the use of the word Kentucky. The majority of domestic Burley production occurs in Kentucky, roughly 70%. This may lead many people to describe the component as Kentucky Burley shortening it to Kentucky, though this is not wise unless the person describing it is 100% sure of the origin of production. Burley is also produced in Tennessee, Indiana, North Carolina, Missouri, Ohio, Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania and West Virginia.
That being said, what many people refer to as Kentucky is more specifically, Dark Fired Kentucky. Similar to Burley as raw leaf, but still different.
Just my two cents.
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 4, 2018 12:52:35 GMT -5
First, I don't put much stock into the descriptions on TR.com. They can be created by any user, and are not often verified by the manufacturer. I think there may also be some confusion with the use of the word Kentucky. The majority of domestic Burley production occurs in Kentucky, roughly 70%. This may lead many people to describe the component as Kentucky Burley shortening it to Kentucky, though this is not wise unless the person describing it is 100% sure of the origin of production. Burley is also produced in Tennessee, Indiana, North Carolina, Missouri, Ohio, Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. That being said, what many people refer to as Kentucky is more specifically, Dark Fired Kentucky. Similar to Burley as raw leaf, but still different. Just my two cents. You've a lot of knowledge of tobaccos. I'm impressed. |
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Post by kxg on Oct 4, 2018 13:56:03 GMT -5
First, I don't put much stock into the descriptions on TR.com. They can be created by any user, and are not often verified by the manufacturer. I think there may also be some confusion with the use of the word Kentucky. The majority of domestic Burley production occurs in Kentucky, roughly 70%. This may lead many people to describe the component as Kentucky Burley shortening it to Kentucky, though this is not wise unless the person describing it is 100% sure of the origin of production. Burley is also produced in Tennessee, Indiana, North Carolina, Missouri, Ohio, Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. That being said, what many people refer to as Kentucky is more specifically, Dark Fired Kentucky. Similar to Burley as raw leaf, but still different. Just my two cents. That makes a lot of sense. The Sutliff manager was very clear that the blend is and has always been 100% burley. I will also say she was quite patient with me, very quick to respond, and generous with her effort to properly answer my request. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 14:44:47 GMT -5
First, I don't put much stock into the descriptions on TR.com. They can be created by any user, and are not often verified by the manufacturer. I think there may also be some confusion with the use of the word Kentucky. The majority of domestic Burley production occurs in Kentucky, roughly 70%. This may lead many people to describe the component as Kentucky Burley shortening it to Kentucky, though this is not wise unless the person describing it is 100% sure of the origin of production. Burley is also produced in Tennessee, Indiana, North Carolina, Missouri, Ohio, Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. That being said, what many people refer to as Kentucky is more specifically, Dark Fired Kentucky. Similar to Burley as raw leaf, but still different. Just my two cents. That makes a lot of sense. The Sutliff manager was very clear that the blend is and has always been 100% burley. I will also say she was quite patient with me, very quick to respond, and generous with her effort to properly answer my request. The way I understood it for years was the original J4 blend was made up of Burley & Kentucky leaf ( not just Burley tobacco that came from Kentucky ) and the mild J4 had no Kentucky leaf added to the Burley. Sutliff mild Burley was a straight Burley tobacco. Guess for all these years I’ve been misled. I’m open minded and willing to learn something new everyday, thank you👍👍 |
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Post by Lady Margaret on Oct 4, 2018 15:51:15 GMT -5
First, I don't put much stock into the descriptions on TR.com. They can be created by any user, and are not often verified by the manufacturer. I think there may also be some confusion with the use of the word Kentucky. The majority of domestic Burley production occurs in Kentucky, roughly 70%. This may lead many people to describe the component as Kentucky Burley shortening it to Kentucky, though this is not wise unless the person describing it is 100% sure of the origin of production. Burley is also produced in Tennessee, Indiana, North Carolina, Missouri, Ohio, Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. That being said, what many people refer to as Kentucky is more specifically, Dark Fired Kentucky. Similar to Burley as raw leaf, but still different. Just my two cents. That makes a lot of sense. The Sutliff manager was very clear that the blend is and has always been 100% burley. I will also say she was quite patient with me, very quick to respond, and generous with her effort to properly answer my request. I got to tour the Sutliff Tobacco Factory last weekend and I can tell you they are a fantastic group of people! The lady registering us had been at the TAPS show in April and she remembered me. They pulled out all the stops for us, it was amazing and a thoroughly enjoyable time. OH, and Carl McCallister showed up for the tour as well, so that was very neat. I think Leo may be my favorite person, though, because he makes the crumble cakes  |
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Post by Lady Margaret on Oct 10, 2018 5:40:02 GMT -5
I meant to take the Burley with me this past weekend when we went to the cabin, but I forgot. Hopefully today I can give it a try.
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Post by Lady Margaret on Oct 18, 2018 10:37:25 GMT -5
I've smoked this a couple times now. It is a pleasant enough smoke, but I don't get much out of it. Good to have around to blend with stuff |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Oct 18, 2018 18:22:54 GMT -5
I'll get around to this one as soon as my sinus issue is gone and I can taste things again.
For now... its tea time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 2:15:22 GMT -5
This is one of those sleeper tobaccos. I can't think of how many times I passed this over. I was smoking some Ready Rubbed, on the phone with The Man From I.N.K.S. (International Nefarious Kill Squad - for those who came in late) and he mentioned J4 rather quietly, twice. I figured this was a coded message. What else would it be? I passed it on to Natasha and told her Mr. Beeeg would be interested.
That said, I did what I always do: I ordered four ounces of it. I tried it on arrival, something I do not always do. I immediately ordered a pound of it. It hits mild notes for me. It stops short of cocoa or vanilla. Amazing how tricky that can be. It has a def sweetness on top and in the soup, but not too much. Like a lot of Burley Forwards, you choo choo you lose it.
I renamed the tobacco on my tins that I put it in. Jupiter 4 Burley, for the Lost in Space +2 crowd.
We all know that stores rename stuff, but I managed to stay out of the confusion, as I came onto this game too late. I just got done with a bowl.
I am telling the gentle voices that I'm coming. I'm coming, for my heart is bending low. Time to drift off into the cosmos, looking for love in all the wrong constellations. Earth below us, drifting falling. Floating weightless. Calling calling home. Hal, open the pod doors, Hal.
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Post by cgvt on Oct 27, 2018 16:33:01 GMT -5
It is almost the end of the month and I just broke out a jar of J4 today. I bought some about 6 months ago and smoked it some and jarred up a most of it. I put it away and kind of forgot about it. I remember liking it a bit, so I was looking forward to this being a BOM.
When I opened the jar and took a sniff, I got a distinct vanilla and maybe bourbon note. It was not overpowering and quite pleasant.
I filled a bowl in my MM Apple Diplomat with Forever stem and lit it with a Low Country Pipes and Cigars wooden match. On the charring light I got an immediate taste of vanilla, but that seemed to be much more subtle when I relit it after tamping it down a bit. I tasted a bit of sweetness, but not too much, a bit of spice that isn't pepper that I can't quite place and an overall earthy, nutty flavor. As I got farther into the bowl I detected an almost boozy taste and the vanilla reminded me that it was there, but the nutty, earthiness holds it own.
It is a really nice well balanced smoke. The flavors work well together and the topping, although noticeable, does not overpower the burly. I think you would have to really work at it to get it to bite and I could easily smoke it all day. I think this would be a good choice for an "smoking out in public" tobacco as I am sure the room note is very nice.
Another good choice for BOM!
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