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Post by jeffd on Oct 14, 2018 17:10:57 GMT -5
I think anyone who produces a wide variety of blends for a wide variety of tastes is going to be hit or miss with every individual taste.  I am not very brand loyal actually. I just try stuff I think I am going to like. With mixed results. For example, Dunhill Elizabethan is likely one of the few Dunhills that I really like. Daughters and Ryan Rimboche SJ is so wonderful I am almost afraid to try anything else by them. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 17:14:21 GMT -5
I haven't meant any offense to anyone, so please forgive me if I've caused any hard feelings for what I've posted. Sometimes you just have to say what's on your mind. No worries, all is well. |
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Post by chasingembers on Oct 14, 2018 17:16:52 GMT -5
THIS ^^^^^^^^^^ is “ the man “ that introduced me to Black Frigate.....now I’m addicted and have enough back up. A few months ago I gave a tin to a friend here in NC.....he fell in love with this blend on his first  Thanks Duane Very welcome Ted. I've corrupted many a soul with BF.😁 |
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Post by haebar on Oct 14, 2018 17:16:57 GMT -5
I like Cornell & Diehl burley-based blends; I think that burley is where they shine.
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Post by chasingembers on Oct 14, 2018 17:18:00 GMT -5
I think anyone who produces a wide variety of blends for a wide variety of tastes is going to be hit or miss with every individual taste. I am not very brand loyal actually. I just try stuff I think I am going to like. With mixed results. For example, Dunhill Elizabethan is likely one of the few Dunhills that I really like. Daughters and Ryan Rimboche SJ is so wonderful I am almost afraid to try anything else by them. Elizabethan was the only one I liked well enough to cellar. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Oct 14, 2018 17:18:26 GMT -5
I read no argumentative tone or any sort of animosity. Individual tastes are different and we have thousands of tobaccos to satisfy each of them. Lots of folks say that my beloved straight Orientals smell like feet in the jar.😂 Is there a blend of straight Orientals that you can recommend, or do you process whole leaf for that? I'd like to try straight Oriental, as I've been finding them quite enjoyable as of late. Any English/Balkan I have that is Oriental forward is appealing, especially the smell if them, coincidentally. It's funny how tastes evolve. I wasn't fond of anything Lat forward a 1.5 months ago, but that's definitely changed in that short amount of time. Edit: I guess that "tastes evolving" may be applied to my current aversion to some fresh C&D blends, too. It certainly is a journey. |
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Post by chasingembers on Oct 14, 2018 17:26:07 GMT -5
I read no argumentative tone or any sort of animosity. Individual tastes are different and we have thousands of tobaccos to satisfy each of them. Lots of folks say that my beloved straight Orientals smell like feet in the jar.😂 Is there a blend of straight Orientals that you can recommend, or do you process whole leaf for that? I'd like to try straight Oriental, as I've been finding them quite enjoyable as of late. Any English/Balkan I have that is Oriental forward is appealing, especially the smell if them, coincidentally. It's funny how tastes evolve. I wasn't fond of anything Lat forward a 1.5 months ago, but that's definitely changed in that short amount of time. Now see with me, lat blends were what I was all about for nearly fifteen years, then fell in decline for Virginias and Orientals. As for straight orientals, Peter Stokkebye's 313 Oriental is one I really enjoy, plus I got some Yenidje leaf from Whole Leaf a few years back. Some oriental heavy blends I like are Oriental Silk, Orion's Arrow, Yenice Agonya, Yenidje Highlander, and Low Country's Natural Virginia & Oriental. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Oct 14, 2018 17:29:11 GMT -5
Is there a blend of straight Orientals that you can recommend, or do you process whole leaf for that? I'd like to try straight Oriental, as I've been finding them quite enjoyable as of late. Any English/Balkan I have that is Oriental forward is appealing, especially the smell if them, coincidentally. It's funny how tastes evolve. I wasn't fond of anything Lat forward a 1.5 months ago, but that's definitely changed in that short amount of time. Now see with me, lat blends were what I was all about for nearly fifteen years, then fell in decline for Virginias and Orientals. As for straight orientals, Peter Stokkebye's 313 Oriental is one I really enjoy, plus I got some Yenidje leaf from Whole Leaf a few years back. Some oriental heavy blends I like are Oriental Silk, Orion's Arrow, Yenice Agonya, Yenidje Highlander, and Low Country's Natural Virginia & Oriental. Thanks for the recommendations! Now to add to my ever growing cart/wish list at SP. |
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Post by chasingembers on Oct 14, 2018 17:30:25 GMT -5
I think forums were designed to make us penniless.😂
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Post by chasingembers on Oct 14, 2018 17:31:46 GMT -5
Oh yeah, my daughter just reminded me. Cairo is another excellent oriental blend.
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Post by Darin on Oct 14, 2018 17:34:11 GMT -5
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Post by slowroll on Oct 14, 2018 18:19:27 GMT -5
A decent Otiental forward lat blend is C&D Byzantium. IMO, there just aren't any good full Orientals since the demise of McC and the grand oriental line. Fortunately, I have about 10 tins left of Yenice Agonya and 7 Smyrna #1.
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Post by Screaming Jazz on Oct 14, 2018 19:20:08 GMT -5
Is it just me, or are C&D blends really hit or miss? I have quite a few, and to a larger extent, I've been underwhelmed. There are a few that I really like, but more than often I find the blends harsh. Could it be that they just don't use well aged/processed tobacco? The GLP blends have been good, and stuff like Kajun Kake, Bayou Night/Morning (with a few months on it), and the deertongue blends are also good. The fresh Virginia blends are rough. The mostly Cavendish/Latakia Mississippi Mud I opened tonight was hard to get through. I'd have thought it would be a fairly smooth and creamy smoke, given its primary components. I have a jar of Sunday Picnic that's a couple months old, and it was just plain sharp the last time I smoked it (same with the White Lightening I bought in the same order). Wolfman sent me a sample of Sunday Picnic from a 2012 tin, and it was FAR better. I guess they just need a lot of age, which is pretty annoying if you just want to smoke what you've bought. I dunno. Anyone else have a similar experience? Judging from your avator photo you're between 30-40. Same age as me. So maybe your taste buds are more sensistive to quality. I'm getting the feeling most of the guys on this website are age 60+ which could affect the 5 senses. Taste is one of the 5 senses.
C&D Black Frigate crumple cake was recomended here and sold out online. So I thought it would be good. It was way underwhelming. Capt. Earles wins out over C&D any day. But Earles is now sold out almot everywhere online.
MOST of the blends that were recomended here fall short for me. Almost all the bulk Sutliffs and Stokobyes fall short or no good for me. Joes Mississippi Mud was terrible for me, Plum Pudding, and several other blends most people liked fell short for me. I expect the highest quality because I am willing to PAY for that quality. So someone better pony up and pick up the frogs series under another name. Because the free market has already proven Frogs under priced thier products the entire time they were sold. People have money and are willing to pay for quality and that's a fact.
Recently sampled some local backwoods type cigars this guy made from an old tobacco stock in a barn mixed with slightly fermented leaf. It's a limited batch. The little cigars were phenominal. Not surprisingly it's almost all gone. His price? $2.50 per cigar. I would pay $15-18.00 per cigar. $2.50 is ridiculous low.
Be careful of which blends you critique here. Someone's cousins sisters brothers friend could be the blender and you might offend someone here. I learned the hard way after receiving a tin of fungas.
The frogs are dead in the water. They aren't coming back. The "free market" can't resurrect them to dance for us. Mike McNiel has stated many times that he will not sell him recipes. The only frog left is in tins. Also something to note, Capt Earles is C&D. Those blends are manufactured in the C&D plant. If you think C&D's blends are low quality then you ought to think Capt Earles is too. Capt Earles doesn't sell out very quickly either. There are plenty of their blends still in stock on multiple we sites. The only ones I ever see sell out are Stimulus Package, Honor Blend, and Private Stock. All of those blends stay in stock for at least 2 weeks when they come in stock. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 19:47:41 GMT -5
I age them for at least two years, then the flavor improves and the roughness fades. No pressure on me, as I have lots of other tobacco that I could smoke while the C&D got some age on it. Now most of my C&D is aged. I must say that some C&D blends I have, like Orion's Arrow and Yale Mixture, were pretty good right off a new tin. But even these improved even more with a little cellaring time. Years ago I opened a large, swollen tub of 3 year old Morley's Best. Just 3 years old, yet it "exploded" upon popping. I let it have some new oxygen and then it was heaven. That settled the issue for me big time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 20:18:57 GMT -5
In the past two years I’ve had a number of their tinned tobacco’s, once opened I noticed they were covered in mold. Now I ONLY purchase C&D bulk tobacco’s....never any mold issues👌👍👍👍 Ut-oh. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 20:47:48 GMT -5
In the past two years I’ve had a number of their tinned tobacco’s, once opened I noticed they were covered in mold. Now I ONLY purchase C&D bulk tobacco’s....never any mold issues👌👍👍👍 Ut-oh. Randy, most of the mold issues I encountered with C&D tinned tobacco was Bijou. A total of 9 tins swelled like a baseball within 2 months after being tinned. Three of their replacements developed mold as well. Smokingpipes made good on ALL tins effected. |
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Post by trailboss on Oct 14, 2018 21:32:17 GMT -5
I guess that if you crack a C&D tin of many you possess with age on it and it is moldy, off to Ebay for the Unicorn chasers.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Oct 14, 2018 21:51:25 GMT -5
Randy, most of the mold issues I encountered with C&D tinned tobacco was Bijou. A total of 9 tins swelled like a baseball within 2 months after being tinned. Three of their replacements developed mold as well. Smokingpipes made good on ALL tins effected. I assume the mold is nothing like "bloom" on a cigar? It was told to me, years ago, that bloom wasn't a bad thing on cigars. I don't know if it's any different for pipe tobacco. |
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Post by trailboss on Oct 14, 2018 21:58:09 GMT -5
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Post by Cramptholomew on Oct 14, 2018 22:17:32 GMT -5
Thanks for that! Very interesting read. Not sure how hard it would be to distinguish the difference between bloom and actual mold, since the bloom could be mistaken for it on sight. I'd assume that it would smell moldy, and off putting as well as look moldy (black and white spores, instead of the plain white puffs of bloom). The post you referenced stated that the bloom could happen very quickly, and would also account for off gasses produced by the yeast, thus inflating a tin in its process. |
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Post by chasingembers on Oct 15, 2018 0:29:52 GMT -5
Randy, most of the mold issues I encountered with C&D tinned tobacco was Bijou. A total of 9 tins swelled like a baseball within 2 months after being tinned. Three of their replacements developed mold as well. Smokingpipes made good on ALL tins effected. I had 10 tins of Bijou from the Summer of 2016 that were moldy. That was when they had the mold disaster with their red Virginias. I had all ten tins replaced with Black Frigate. |
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Oct 15, 2018 0:48:09 GMT -5
I think like many brands C & D have a few blends that arent just too exciting. But they continue to make them because a certain subset of loyal customers continue to buy them. We all know someone like that. We don't know why he keeps smoking that blend that no one else likes. Well, he has a different taste, and thats ok. But I think some of the blenders out there continue to make small batches of certain blends, just for guys like that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 4:13:19 GMT -5
Randy, most of the mold issues I encountered with C&D tinned tobacco was Bijou. A total of 9 tins swelled like a baseball within 2 months after being tinned. Three of their replacements developed mold as well. Smokingpipes made good on ALL tins effected. I assume the mold is nothing like "bloom" on a cigar? It was told to me, years ago, that bloom wasn't a bad thing on cigars. I don't know if it's any different for pipe tobacco. The fine white powder like plume that can form on cigars from aging is not mold and can be smoked without wiping off. Plume occurs when the oils within a cigar come to the surface and crystallize. Plume may also appear as a haze on the wrapper. Unlike mold, plume is always white or light gray and tends to cover the entire outer leaf of an aged cigar. Mold leaves a stain when it's removed, but plume comes off without a mark. Plume (or Bloom) is good, essentially this is solidified oil, which usually is a sign of proper aging of tobacco leaf. Same applies to pipe tobacco’s. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 18:37:44 GMT -5
Randy, most of the mold issues I encountered with C&D tinned tobacco was Bijou. A total of 9 tins swelled like a baseball within 2 months after being tinned. Three of their replacements developed mold as well. Smokingpipes made good on ALL tins effected. Thanks, Ted. I don't have any Bijou, but quite a lot of other C&D blend tins in my cellar. I sure hope they're not moldy. |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Oct 15, 2018 18:56:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 19:06:19 GMT -5
Randy, most of the mold issues I encountered with C&D tinned tobacco was Bijou. A total of 9 tins swelled like a baseball within 2 months after being tinned. Three of their replacements developed mold as well. Smokingpipes made good on ALL tins effected. Thanks, Ted. I don't have any Bijou, but quite a lot of other C&D blend tins in my cellar. I sure hope they're not moldy. All C&D tinned tobacco tins swell a bit from aging. If ANY are swollen similar to a baseball that’s when you should open the tin and check. Other then that, your safe👍 |
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Post by william on Oct 15, 2018 19:09:01 GMT -5
Thanks, Ted. I don't have any Bijou, but quite a lot of other C&D blend tins in my cellar. I sure hope they're not moldy. All C&D tinned tobacco tins swell a bit from aging. If ANY are swollen similar to a baseball that’s when you should open the tin and check. Other then that, your safe👍 And the same for Pease tins? I recently got a tin of Samarra in the mail--it was dated 3/2016 and the top of the tin bulged out slightly. No mold on the tobacco. But this is normal? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 19:12:54 GMT -5
All C&D tinned tobacco tins swell a bit from aging. If ANY are swollen similar to a baseball that’s when you should open the tin and check. Other then that, your safe👍 And the same for Pease tins? I recently got a tin of Samarra in the mail--it was dated 3/2016 and the top of the tin bulged out slightly. No mold on the tobacco. But this is normal? Definitely William....I had a bad mold problem with GLP Sixpence. If a tin is slightly bulged that’s normal with proper fermentation 👍 |
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Post by william on Oct 15, 2018 19:16:41 GMT -5
Thanks, Ted. I was actually about to start a thread asking about this when I stumbled across this one. The tobacco was not dry and I could not detect any mold--so I will give it a try. It smells great.......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 19:21:00 GMT -5
Thanks, Ted. I was actually about to start a thread asking about this when I stumbled across this one. The tobacco was not dry and I could not detect any mold--so I will give it a try. It smells great....... William, most of my C&D & GLP tins that have a year plus of aging have a slight bulge on the top...even slightly on the bottom. My C&D Bijou tins were almost completely round!! |
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