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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 31, 2018 11:01:07 GMT -5
Late to the party here. Thankfully I've not heard of this happening much around where I live. I've had many a package sitting on my doorstep and never has one been stolen...yet. In some areas of Northern Ireland, however, the paramilitaries are still in action and they clamp down on any of that stuff. Anyone caught stealing from a doorstep or causing trouble in the neighbourhood is in for a punishment beating (usually they got knee-capped). That's not happening as much these days, but it still does happen from time to time in some areas. Ironically, those areas are safe as houses in some ways. No porch pirates anyway. I recall some of those guys from my stay in '72. The house I was staying at in Ennis belonged to the County Clare head of the Provos. I was instructed to enter and exit by the BACK door only and be watchful on the street. Frozen Francis "Francy" O'Halleren was his name as I recall. He was not around much. It's nowhere near anything like that these days (in most areas), thankfully.
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Post by sparks on Oct 31, 2018 12:17:08 GMT -5
In Philadelphia row home neighborhoods like mine, it's an epidemic. Knock on wood, I've never had a package stolen, but I also work from home and can usually retrieve when they are delivered. Add to that I have great neighbors, who with a text message will watch for a delivery and grab it for me if I'm not around.
It's common to see people post to our neighborhood FB page about this and even post video from their cameras. Even the camera doesn't deter people.
Strange world we live in.
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Post by toshtego on Oct 31, 2018 12:57:04 GMT -5
I recall some of those guys from my stay in '72. The house I was staying at in Ennis belonged to the County Clare head of the Provos. I was instructed to enter and exit by the BACK door only and be watchful on the street. Frozen Francis "Francy" O'Halleren was his name as I recall. He was not around much. It's nowhere near anything like that these days (in most areas), thankfully. I am grateful for the peace which has settled the long differences there.
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 31, 2018 14:44:38 GMT -5
It's nowhere near anything like that these days (in most areas), thankfully. I am grateful for the peace which has settled the long differences there. Me too, brother... Me too.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Oct 31, 2018 15:51:04 GMT -5
Late to the party here. Thankfully I've not heard of this happening much around where I live. I've had many a package sitting on my doorstep and never has one been stolen...yet. In some areas of Northern Ireland, however, the paramilitaries are still in action and they clamp down on any of that stuff. Anyone caught stealing from a doorstep or causing trouble in the neighbourhood is in for a punishment beating (usually they got knee-capped). That's not happening as much these days, but it still does happen from time to time in some areas. Ironically, those areas are safe as houses in some ways. No porch pirates anyway. That sounds like a sure fire way to get someone's attention...after the second time, they would be walking on their hands (and that would be next).
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Nov 1, 2018 0:32:30 GMT -5
I can do you one better than mere porch piracy. [...] Quite a fancy scam, if you ask me. I seriously hope the FedEx driver was questioned by the proper authorities. Also copies can be made so at this point all locks should be replaced. What good would it do? FedEx isn't going to "fire" whoever did the deliveries -- FedEx uses "independent" "contractors" for all home delivery. And they've never cared about my complaints before. The new fraud is ugly because it involved my credit card. 90%+ of the things I actually ordered get stolen when delivered via FedEx. That's been true for as long as I've lived in New York, at several addresses. FedEx doesn't care. Plainly no one will ever be prosecuted. They won't even give me the name of a delivery man to file my own police report. Not to get too awful political, UPS and USPS still predominately use full time employees, often unionized, to work their delivery routes. I got my problems with UPS and USPS, but at least my parcels arrive without being stolen. I'm OK with paying an extra couple dollars in shipping to go with UPS or USPS.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 1, 2018 0:53:04 GMT -5
I seriously hope the FedEx driver was questioned by the proper authorities. Also copies can be made so at this point all locks should be replaced. What good would it do? FedEx isn't going to "fire" whoever did the deliveries -- FedEx uses "independent" "contractors" for all home delivery. And they've never cared about my complaints before. The new fraud is ugly because it involved my credit card. 90%+ of the things I actually ordered get stolen when delivered via FedEx. That's been true for as long as I've lived in New York, at several addresses. FedEx doesn't care. Plainly no one will ever be prosecuted. They won't even give me the name of a delivery man to file my own police report. Not to get too awful political, UPS and USPS still predominately use full time employees, often unionized, to work their delivery routes. I got my problems with UPS and USPS, but at least my parcels arrive without being stolen. I'm OK with paying an extra couple dollars in shipping to go with UPS or USPS. Fedex Express employees are employed by Fedex, so are Fedex Freight drivers...both do residential deliveries. Fedex Ground is their contractor division and it shows, hardly a month went by when I didn't see a rolled set of doubles between Phoenix and LA...I am amazed that they seem to be good with it...I suspect the same is with the residential fedex ground drivers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 0:53:13 GMT -5
The founder for Federal Express devised the hole company plan while sitting in a foxhole in 'nam. This story was told to me by one of the early drivers. I don't think they were independent contractors then, but who knows. They used to be the best. Their plan was that every package was sent to Memphis and from there was turfed out to the destination. And it worked. You could pay for stuff to be there by 8am. Some years later they took away money that was earmarked for employee retirement and I believe stock. Little by little the company went downhill and it is the worst, as bad as DHL. UPS is better. USPS which used to be the worst has given us stellar service for some years now. Our zip code route was the only one in the USA that was too large and they would not divide it into two mail persons. I have no clue what they've done since then but we get such good personal service it's not real. Thus, they get all my biz. Cheaper. No questions asked. And almost to a T things get where they are going... intact
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Nov 1, 2018 11:11:58 GMT -5
The founder for Federal Express devised the hole company plan while sitting in a foxhole in 'nam. This story was told to me by one of the early drivers. I don't think they were independent contractors then, but who knows. They used to be the best. Their plan was that every package was sent to Memphis and from there was turfed out to the destination. And it worked. You could pay for stuff to be there by 8am. Some years later they took away money that was earmarked for employee retirement and I believe stock. Little by little the company went downhill and it is the worst, as bad as DHL. UPS is better. USPS which used to be the worst has given us stellar service for some years now. Our zip code route was the only one in the USA that was too large and they would not divide it into two mail persons. I have no clue what they've done since then but we get such good personal service it's not real. Thus, they get all my biz. Cheaper. No questions asked. And almost to a T things get where they are going... intact The founder of Federal Express inherited millions of dollars from his dad, so he went out and bought a jet maintenance company with one of his similarly-rich buddies from Yale.
At some later point, they had the (plainly cocaine-fueled) idea to deliver parcels by jet at fabulous expense. The early Federal Express lost money hand over fist, but the revenues from the original maintenance business and substantial personal wealth floated it for years.
The founders were both born with a silver spoon in their mouth, and they were never going to give a nickel back to employees or their communities without having it prised out of a clenched fist.
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Post by toshtego on Nov 1, 2018 12:02:28 GMT -5
I prefer the Post Office. There is no mail delivery here so I have to go to the local station to pick up parcels. On ocassion, I am handed an empty box with the end cut off. Not often enough for it to be more than a brief annoyance. Our station had parcel lockers installed in the lobby which is open 24/7. Naturally, some asshat had to start breaking into them. So, soon the lobby door will be locked at night. The Postal Inspectors, our nation's oldest law enforcement agency, are on the job with their usual efficiency.....
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Post by pepesdad1 on Nov 1, 2018 12:13:47 GMT -5
The founder for Federal Express devised the hole company plan while sitting in a foxhole in 'nam. This story was told to me by one of the early drivers. I don't think they were independent contractors then, but who knows. They used to be the best. Their plan was that every package was sent to Memphis and from there was turfed out to the destination. And it worked. You could pay for stuff to be there by 8am. Some years later they took away money that was earmarked for employee retirement and I believe stock. Little by little the company went downhill and it is the worst, as bad as DHL. UPS is better. USPS which used to be the worst has given us stellar service for some years now. Our zip code route was the only one in the USA that was too large and they would not divide it into two mail persons. I have no clue what they've done since then but we get such good personal service it's not real. Thus, they get all my biz. Cheaper. No questions asked. And almost to a T things get where they are going... intact The founder of Federal Express inherited millions of dollars from his dad, so he went out and bought a jet maintenance company with one of his similarly-rich buddies from Yale.
At some later point, they had the (plainly cocaine-fueled) idea to deliver parcels by jet at fabulous expense. The early Federal Express lost money hand over fist, but the revenues from the original maintenance business and substantial personal wealth floated it for years.
The founders were both born with a silver spoon in their mouth, and they were never going to give a nickel back to employees or their communities without having it prised out of a clenched fist.
Ain't that the way it always is...sorry as sheit to the end.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 1, 2018 12:44:27 GMT -5
Our Chewey deliveries are made uniformed FedEx drivers in FedEx trucks and we have never had an issue. We have a long driveway and sidewalk, then 5 steps up to the porch. Contract drivers for Amazon, and some Postal Service temps, will leave packages in the driveway or on top of the truck. FedEx always places the heavy Chewy boxes by the front door out of sight of the street.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 13:40:17 GMT -5
The founder for Federal Express devised the hole company plan while sitting in a foxhole in 'nam. This story was told to me by one of the early drivers. I don't think they were independent contractors then, but who knows. They used to be the best. Their plan was that every package was sent to Memphis and from there was turfed out to the destination. And it worked. You could pay for stuff to be there by 8am. Some years later they took away money that was earmarked for employee retirement and I believe stock. Little by little the company went downhill and it is the worst, as bad as DHL. UPS is better. USPS which used to be the worst has given us stellar service for some years now. Our zip code route was the only one in the USA that was too large and they would not divide it into two mail persons. I have no clue what they've done since then but we get such good personal service it's not real. Thus, they get all my biz. Cheaper. No questions asked. And almost to a T things get where they are going... intact The founder of Federal Express inherited millions of dollars from his dad, so he went out and bought a jet maintenance company with one of his similarly-rich buddies from Yale.
At some later point, they had the (plainly cocaine-fueled) idea to deliver parcels by jet at fabulous expense. The early Federal Express lost money hand over fist, but the revenues from the original maintenance business and substantial personal wealth floated it for years.
The founders were both born with a silver spoon in their mouth, and they were never going to give a nickel back to employees or their communities without having it prised out of a clenched fist.
That kind of talking may get you accused of being political.. Not by me
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Post by toshtego on Nov 1, 2018 15:58:02 GMT -5
Our Chewey deliveries are made uniformed FedEx drivers in FedEx trucks and we have never had an issue. We have a long driveway and sidewalk, then 5 steps up to the porch. Contract drivers for Amazon, and some Postal Service temps, will leave packages in the driveway or on top of the truck. FedEx always places the heavy Chewy boxes by the front door out of sight of the street. That was my experience when I ordered from Chewy. It took some time for the route guy to find me and all was well until he quite. Then it was back to my driving around to find the Fed Ex van.
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Post by toshtego on Nov 1, 2018 15:59:35 GMT -5
The founder of Federal Express inherited millions of dollars from his dad, so he went out and bought a jet maintenance company with one of his similarly-rich buddies from Yale. At some later point, they had the (plainly cocaine-fueled) idea to deliver parcels by jet at fabulous expense. The early Federal Express lost money hand over fist, but the revenues from the original maintenance business and substantial personal wealth floated it for years. The founders were both born with a silver spoon in their mouth, and they were never going to give a nickel back to employees or their communities without having it prised out of a clenched fist.
That kind of talking may get you accused of being political.. Not by me Sink me, a Leveler in our midst!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 16:07:39 GMT -5
Me, if I caught one in the act on my property he’d taste my Sheridan pump pellet rifle in his butt......he “ shan’t “ return, I “ GARONTEE “!!
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Post by trailboss on Nov 1, 2018 23:44:23 GMT -5
Our Chewey deliveries are made uniformed FedEx drivers in FedEx trucks and we have never had an issue. We have a long driveway and sidewalk, then 5 steps up to the porch. Contract drivers for Amazon, and some Postal Service temps, will leave packages in the driveway or on top of the truck. FedEx always places the heavy Chewy boxes by the front door out of sight of the street. One thing a lot of people do not know is that ground delivery means the only obligation the driver has is to get it to the ground...it is up to the consignee to get the package or freight into the house....out of being expeditious, ground deliveries are usually just brought to the door. I probably should start a thread about freight and package deliveries, and what is the responsibility of the consignee and what is the responsibility of the carrier...Even commercial deliveries can result in a woefully ignorant consignee. Yesterday I had a delivery of an 800 pound pallet to a company...the guy tried to tell me that it was my responsibility to unload it, I told him that Gina in his office arranged the delivery window, he knew before I got there that it was an 800 pound pallet, and that it was his duty to arrange unloading his delivery. I told him in my diplomatic manner that he was free to refuse the delivery, we get paid shipping it to him and shipping it back to Boston, if he refused it that would double our revenue. He found a way to unload it...after I saw that he had his "Come to Jesus" reflection, I helped him out.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 1, 2018 23:57:15 GMT -5
Our Chewey deliveries are made uniformed FedEx drivers in FedEx trucks and we have never had an issue. We have a long driveway and sidewalk, then 5 steps up to the porch. Contract drivers for Amazon, and some Postal Service temps, will leave packages in the driveway or on top of the truck. FedEx always places the heavy Chewy boxes by the front door out of sight of the street. One thing a lot of people do not know is that ground delivery means the only obligation the driver has is to get it to the ground...it is up to the consignee to get the package or freight into the house....out of being expeditious, ground deliveries are usually just brought to the door. I probably should start a thread about freight and package deliveries, and what is the responsibility of the consignee and what is the responsibility of the carrier...Even commercial deliveries can result in a woefully ignorant consignee. Yesterday I had a delivery of an 800 pound pallet to a company...the guy tried to tell me that it was my responsibility to unload it, I told him that Gina in his office arranged the delivery window, he knew before I got there that it was an 800 pound pallet, and that it was his duty to arrange unloading his delivery. I told him in my diplomatic manner that he was free to refuse the delivery, we get paid shipping it to him and shipping it back to Boston, if he refused it that would double our revenue. He found a way to unload it...after I saw that he had his "Come to Jesus" reflection, I helped him out. The company that I worked for ordered about a dozen large printers every year, and always specifically asked for a lift gate truck as we didn't have a dock or longshoremen on duty. 9 times out of 10 they sent a truck that would not even fit in our parking lot. I have had to explain to the unfortunate driver that we weren't able to retrieve a 600 pound pallet from a 5 foot high truck a block away. We have told many to just take it away. Not our problem if it's not shipped on the right truck. I have noticed that when the package is left in the driveway and Amazon is notified, it doesn't happen again. The customer satisfaction is the important thing. Unsatisfactory delivery equals no repeat business. Bad for the seller and shipper. It should also not be the drivers problem if they are given an impossible task. In speaking with many drivers I have seen that some drivers are able to say that the the company screwed up, and others that were obviously afraid of losing their job if they didn't make the delivery. Some take it so far as to risk injury trying to get it out of the truck. This caused us to also risk injury out of sympathy.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 2, 2018 0:24:25 GMT -5
It is up to the shipper to notify the carrier that it needs to go on a liftgate truck, and at least for the company that I work for that request is executed pretty much flawlessly. Often, the shipper balks at paying for ground delivery and the driver is put in a spot where they do not want to blame their customer which is the shipper...the consignee is the customer of the shipper, and the shipper is the customer of the carrier...a dynamic that comes into play.
In your scenario if the location lacks the ability to receive tractor trailers, it is up to the shipper to either find a carrier that has bobtail trucks or "white glove service" to execute the delivery, the company that I work for offers all of the services for a price, but often shippers and consignees will balk at paying for the services...it is all costs that have to be considered....still not on the carrier.
Once a carrier agrees to simply deliver across a threshhold of a business or a residence, liability comes into play...I have been involved in situations both commercial and residential where consignees claimed that their property was damaged, even when I noted the damage before making a delivery...and when I pointed out property damage before making an inside delivery, I was accused of being Perry Mason Junior...you just can't win.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Nov 2, 2018 0:42:21 GMT -5
It is up to the shipper to notify the carrier that it needs to go on a liftgate truck, and at least for the company that I work for that request is executed pretty much flawlessly. Often, the shipper balks at paying for ground delivery and the driver is put in a spot where they do not want to blame their customer which is the shipper...the consignee is the customer of the shipper, and the shipper is the customer of the carrier...a dynamic that comes into play. In your scenario if the location lacks the ability to receive tractor trailers, it is up to the shipper to either find a carrier that has bobtail trucks or "white glove service" to execute the delivery, the company that I work for offers all of the services for a price, but often shippers and consignees will balk at paying for the services...it is all costs that have to be considered....still not on the carrier. Once a carrier agrees to simply deliver across a threshhold of a business or a residence, liability comes into play...I have been involved in situations both commercial and residential where consignees claimed that their property was damaged, even when I noted the damage before making a delivery...and when I pointed out property damage before making an inside delivery, I was accused of being Perry Mason Junior...you just can't win. I know this well from the other side, and I feel for you, brother. LTL shipping is insanely cheap in America, and people somehow imagine that getting a truck on the property site is gonna be the same as getting a delivery, and it just ain't. I have had quite a few embarrassing conversations with shippers and truckers in which I have to confess that my employer is dumber than sliced dog poo, and we can't actually accommodate the shipment properly
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Nov 2, 2018 0:44:14 GMT -5
[quote source="/post I have noticed that when the package is left in the driveway and Amazon is notified, it doesn't happen again. The customer satisfaction is the important thing. Unsatisfactory delivery equals no repeat business. Bad for the seller and shipper. It should also not be the drivers problem if they are given an impossible task. har de har har My aforementioned problems with FedEx theft and fraud have been reported to retailers many times. Amazon is very happy to send me a new parcel... but they can't promise it won't be FedEx again. In the last two years, Amazon has essentially stopped sending me packages by any means but USPS, even for same-day delivery. This thrills me to death, but I don't imagine it's because I complained. More likely, it's because USPS provides very compelling rates in urban areas.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 2, 2018 0:49:36 GMT -5
And I have had the same conversation with your brother from another mother.... More often than not that is the way it plays out.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 2, 2018 1:07:20 GMT -5
Just to elaborate on that point....
I once delivered pallets of tile to a residence...the pallets were 2,500 lbs apiece, a real nut buster. The arrangement was curbside delivery, so it was up to the homeowner to lump it all into his garage from the curb. There was no way I could push the pallets with a pallet jack up the slope of the driveway which was pavers on top of that. The consignee asked me to jacknife my trailer into his driveway and told me that there would be no issue....I agreed to do so and parked where my trailer axles were on the street, but the liftgate would cross the driveway apron.
Got the deliveries off and after I left, the homeowner/consignee complained that a nail on the bottom of a pallet scraped one of his pavers and now he was demanding to file a claim. After that every time I explained what happened to a residential customer when I made the case of why curbside delivery is curbside delivery... and they said 'I am not that way" I had to tell them that the guy that filed the claim said the same thing to me.
I don't do liftgate deliveries anymore.
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Post by toshtego on Nov 2, 2018 1:27:11 GMT -5
Helps to have a forklift and I do not mean a pallet jack.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 2, 2018 1:40:12 GMT -5
Helps to have a forklift and I do not mean a pallet jack.
True. I delivered massive air handling units to a jobsite for a restaurant build...the contractor didn't budget for a forklift rental, so the Super said 'We will muscle them off"... The Muscling broke down and the laborer ended up with a crushed ankle and surgeries. Not such a thrifty move by Mister Beancounter.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Nov 2, 2018 16:37:11 GMT -5
I once delivered a Hot Shot Pump to a rig in the middle of no where. Driller was an arse, told me get it off the truck then he would handle it, I unstrapped it, drove about a hundred feet from thtrailer, backed up smartly and fast, braked hard and pump tumbled on the trailer steps crushing it. The look on that smart arse was priceless, I had him sign the papers befor and I knew I had him. Took up and went back to the terminal, got chewed out, then Terminal owner started laughing and said that Prick has been a thorn in my side for years, he shook my hand and said Don’t do it again.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Nov 2, 2018 17:19:14 GMT -5
Perfect. ^^^^^^.
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Post by mwps70 on Nov 2, 2018 17:23:57 GMT -5
I once delivered a Hot Shot Pump to a rig in the middle of no where. Driller was an arse, told me get it off the truck then he would handle it, I unstrapped it, drove about a hundred feet from thtrailer, backed up smartly and fast, braked hard and pump tumbled on the trailer steps crushing it. The look on that smart arse was priceless, I had him sign the papers befor and I knew I had him. Took up and went back to the terminal, got chewed out, then Terminal owner started laughing and said that Prick has been a thorn in my side for years, he shook my hand and said Don’t do it again. Lmao!
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