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Post by haveldad on Nov 12, 2018 12:19:52 GMT -5
I'm not quite on the "meh" wagon with Esoterica, but I do think they make solid blends. Honestly I think their real strength is in their uniqueness. It's easy for me to find blends that I simply enjoy more than Penzance, Stonehaven, Dunbar, And So To Bed, etc... But I never find a burley flake quite like Stonehaven, never latakia/Oriental blends quite like Penzance, and so on. Esoterica has done a fantastic job producing unique tobaccos, and any time someone asks if they're worth trying, I think, yeah, they are, if they're readily available. Because the truth is I'm sitting on a pile of different Esotericas, having gone unicorn chasing in the past, and I usually just reach for something I like more. And, while there are several blends I think are better and more available, if I happen on occasion to want some Stonehaven, then there really is no replacement for it. Good points. I agree. I tried my aged quiet nights again because someone said its similar to penzance and they really don't even come close to eachother.
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Post by clintonvilleleather on Nov 12, 2018 21:40:09 GMT -5
I dont care for Cyprian Latakia and am not a fan of Penzance but Tilbury and Dorchester are excellent VA blends.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Nov 12, 2018 22:17:55 GMT -5
I dont care for Cyprian Latakia and am not a fan of Penzance but Tilbury and Dorchester are excellent VA blends. Dorchester is what put me on the Virginia path. I ration out the small amount that I do have.
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Post by clintonvilleleather on Nov 13, 2018 0:56:39 GMT -5
I dont care for Cyprian Latakia and am not a fan of Penzance but Tilbury and Dorchester are excellent VA blends. Dorchester is what put me on the Virginia path. I ration out the small amount that I do have. It is a very good one. I used to have a couple pipes just for that back when it was easy to get.
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Post by Screaming Jazz on Nov 18, 2018 20:09:35 GMT -5
I too would never pay crazy prices for penzance. I have acquired 1 tin so far. It's good stuff. I like it but I always forget about it so I still have most of a tin left. I'm also not going to hunt it down. I will buy it if it is front of me. It's good, I'll smoke it. Nothing more to it than that.
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Post by TwelveAMnTX on Nov 18, 2018 21:05:36 GMT -5
There are a few blends that get a bit too much hype. Some are worth it & others ... not so much.
It's a taste thing, for some they hit the spot, but not for all. I've never had any Penzance, but I'm not really a lat lover. I have tried Stonehaven & it was delightful, but not to the point that I'd do anything for it.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Nov 18, 2018 21:16:26 GMT -5
Different strokes for different folks. 12 years ago, Penzance was a highly regarded blend, not a idΓ©e fixe. One could walk into any well stocked tobacconist and find it readily available. Then Germain's missed a bunch of shipments and people went nuts hoarding it and the fixation and bullshit surrounding it has never stopped. Much of the mystique lies in its lack of availability. It's been turned into a trophy tobacco. It's not the worst blend I've smoked and it's not the best. I still have a couple of pounds aging away, and will probably sell or trade them if I don't just give them away, as I really don't find it to my taste.
On the other hand, Stonehaven, Dunbar, Dorchester and Tilbury are blends that I like a lot, so I've stocked up on those, but only at regular retail. Stonehaven is a very finicky blend to get to perform, but when it does, it's pretty amazing. And when it doesn't, it's cardboard.
While I have occasionally spent some extra cash on vintage tins, I've never spent anything like the enormous prices being asked these days. There are better uses for my hard earned cash, like investing it to make more less hard earned cash.
Yesterday, Pipestud's new site was launched. I happened to be on it before any announcements went out. All those wonderful rarities were there for the taking. Everything was in stock. And I had no interest in buying any of it. None.
My cellar is done. If I never buy another shred of leaf I have plenty of great smokes from which to choose. I just put out a few flakes of 1995 Christmas Cheer to smoke. Maybe I'll enjoy some Renaissance or Bohemian Scandal later, or some actual Ogden's made St. Bruno. Or, maybe some Savinelli Doblone d'Oro, since I also liked the old Va/Per Three Nuns, and this stuff is very much like it.
There's simply a lot of very good tobacco available today at regular retail. I've yet to experience any tobacco, and I've smoked a lot of legendary blends in my 46 years of smoking pipes, worth the high prices or worthy of the sometimes hysterical hype.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Nov 18, 2018 22:08:01 GMT -5
Different strokes for different folks. 12 years ago, Penzance was a highly regarded blend, not a idΓ©e fixe. One could walk into any well stocked tobacconist and find it readily available. Then Germain's missed a bunch of shipments and people went nuts hoarding it and the fixation and bullshit surrounding it has never stopped. Much of the mystique lies in its lack of availability. It's been turned into a trophy tobacco. It's not the worst blend I've smoked and it's not the best. I still have a couple of pounds aging away, and will probably sell or trade them if I don't just give them away, as I really don't find it to my taste. On the other hand, Stonehaven, Dunbar, Dorchester and Tilbury are blends that I like a lot, so I've stocked up on those, but only at regular retail. Stonehaven is a very finicky blend to get to perform, but when it does, it's pretty amazing. And when it doesn't, it's cardboard. While I have occasionally spent some extra cash on vintage tins, I've never spent anything like the enormous prices being asked these days. There are better uses for my hard earned cash, like investing it to make more less hard earned cash. Yesterday, Pipestud's new site was launched. I happened to be on it before any announcements went out. All those wonderful rarities were there for the taking. Everything was in stock. And I had no interest in buying any of it. None. My cellar is done. If I never buy another shred of leaf I have plenty of great smokes from which to choose. I just put out a few flakes of 1995 Christmas Cheer to smoke. Maybe I'll enjoy some Renaissance or Bohemian Scandal later, or some actual Ogden's made St. Bruno. Or, maybe some Savinelli Doblone d'Oro, since I also liked the old Va/Per Three Nuns, and this stuff is very much like it. There's simply a lot of very good tobacco available today at regular retail. I've yet to experience any tobacco, and I've smoked a lot of legendary blends in my 46 years of smoking pipes, worth the high prices or worthy of the sometimes hysterical hype. thank you for this. As someone new(ish) to pipes, this is the kind of experience I like to hear. It's easy to get caught up in all the "must have" unobtainium chasing. I've steered clear for the most part, but I've bought stuff that was "in front of me" simply because it's been highly regarded, and scarce.
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Post by Dramatwist on Nov 18, 2018 22:12:07 GMT -5
...thankfully, I've talked myself out of the Penzance hype... lots of good tobacco out there at present... I'm enjoying those...
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Post by jeffd on Nov 19, 2018 0:16:51 GMT -5
Here is the thing. We all know its personal preference, based on our own experiences and our own tastes and our own mouth chemistry.
My thought is that if we know that, then we KNOW its not hype. And we KNOW that if we are not impressed, or not impressed enough to spend the money, it is nothing more than our own preference, not nearly something as noble as avoiding the hype.
To be clear, it seems to me there are enough devotees that Germain & Son are doing something very right with Esoterica Tobacciana. I have only tried a few, and I can even tell that.
OK. I am just really lucky Cornell and Diehl's Billy Budd Blonde is pretty available, and not too costly, and legal fer crying out loud.
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 19, 2018 6:11:06 GMT -5
For me it's simple...since most blends taste the same to me, there's not much difference between one blend and another - not enough to go crazy over a blend...
My fear is if I DO stumble upon a blend that stands out from all the rest (a bit like Blood Red Moon)....but even then I shrug and say, 'ah well; plenty of other blends out there'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 2:04:31 GMT -5
Been trying lots of Latakia blends lately looking for similar Penzance blends. I just bought 32oz of Pirate Kake, and fell in love with Sutcliff Crumble Cake #1. I can now end my obsession with Penzance.
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Post by Dramatwist on Nov 20, 2018 2:10:03 GMT -5
Been trying lots of Latakia blends lately looking for similar Penzance blends. I just bought 32oz of Pirate Kake, and fell in love with Sutcliff Crumble Cake #1. I can now end my obsession with Penzance. ...it was close enough for me...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 2:13:44 GMT -5
Been trying lots of Latakia blends lately looking for similar Penzance blends. I just bought 32oz of Pirate Kake, and fell in love with Sutcliff Crumble Cake #1. I can now end my obsession with Penzance. Glad to hear that the Crumble Cake is a success. I'll have to pick up a tin one of these days.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 4:51:49 GMT -5
Way to many excellent tobaccoβs still readily available for me to hunt down a blend thatβs way over priced. Once any blend is hyped up and the price as well, I usually stay clear and spend my money wisely on tobaccoβs I know will be around for a while. At this point after 50 years of enjoying a pipe, I have enough of my favorites for my lifetime stashed......itβs time I start enjoying more of what I already haveππ
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Post by Cramptholomew on Nov 20, 2018 8:37:14 GMT -5
I have the Red Virginia crumble cake, and it's very good. I'll be ordering the English #1 in my next order. I am officially off the fence.
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Post by Screaming Jazz on Nov 20, 2018 13:30:18 GMT -5
Does anyone ever think that esoterica will ever return to being commonly available? Surely this crazy cycle of drops will end eventually.
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Post by mwps70 on Nov 20, 2018 13:41:48 GMT -5
Does anyone ever think that esoterica will ever return to being commonly available? Surely this crazy cycle of drops will end eventually. Honestly it's just the online retailers from what I can tell. With so many people online it is hard for them to keep it in stock. The B&Ms still get Esoterica, at least mine does. I pick up a tin or bag of Penzance and a tin or bag of Stonehaven almost everytime I stop in. They don't mess with online sales so the locals have a great chance of stocking up. The owner told me once that a guy called her and asked to buy all Esoterica that she had and then she found out he re-sold to make money so she will not do that any more. If she doesn't know you she will not ship it. When something even appears scarce the online pipe tobacco horders go crazy. If everyone just bought a little then more pipe smokers would have the chance. And then there is the opportunity to make money via ebay so those scumbags buy up and sale right away...exactly what pipe smoking is not about. If you can find a local B&M that is your best chance.
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Post by Baboo on Nov 20, 2018 14:14:15 GMT -5
Does anyone ever think that esoterica will ever return to being commonly available? Surely this crazy cycle of drops will end eventually. No... it will always be their standard of operation and production.
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Post by Dramatwist on Nov 20, 2018 14:29:33 GMT -5
Does anyone ever think that esoterica will ever return to being commonly available? Surely this crazy cycle of drops will end eventually. No... it will always be their standard of operation and production. I believe that's true, though I have no references to cite. J.F. Germain and Son is a pretty small operation, or so I've read.
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Post by jeffd on Nov 20, 2018 15:43:01 GMT -5
They need to raise the price. Sorry to say, but that is how you handle this. At some higher price it would become readily available.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 20, 2018 15:54:16 GMT -5
I tried it in 5 pipes before I finally found one that it sang in. Have you tried it in a ghost free pot? That is my suggestion. I never found a pipe that would make Stonehaven taste like anything but warm air. Stonehaven with 6 plus years of aging and dried properly is a superb tobacco in the β right β briar. Even in a new MM Country Gentleman pipe πππ I didn't taste anything but hot air, even in a cob. I gave away the rest of the tin. I don't expect it to aquire flavor with age.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 20, 2018 16:06:35 GMT -5
I popped a fresh, 2 year old tin of Penzance last night and it was good but nothing special because I smoked it in the wrong pipe. When I use the right pipe it's fantastic. The "right pipe is a London Made pot, but I have several and I don't remember which one. I think I am going to try it in my slowroll Pibe Dan Reformed tribute stack. I would have been hesitant to open the tin that I could sell for a hundred bucks, but since it was a gift I have an obligation to enjoy it myself and I will.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 16:41:22 GMT -5
Stonehaven with 6 plus years of aging and dried properly is a superb tobacco in the β right β briar. Even in a new MM Country Gentleman pipe πππ I didn't taste anything but hot air, even in a cob. I gave away the rest of the tin. I don't expect it to aquire flavor with age. Some of mine developed plume, sugar crystals......an extremely pleasurable smoke with age. Itβs NOT worth the hype and high price!!!
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Post by Screaming Jazz on Nov 20, 2018 17:37:01 GMT -5
Does anyone ever think that esoterica will ever return to being commonly available? Surely this crazy cycle of drops will end eventually. Honestly it's just the online retailers from what I can tell. With so many people online it is hard for them to keep it in stock. The B&Ms still get Esoterica, at least mine does. I pick up a tin or bag of Penzance and a tin or bag of Stonehaven almost everytime I stop in. They don't mess with online sales so the locals have a great chance of stocking up. The owner told me once that a guy called her and asked to buy all Esoterica that she had and then she found out he re-sold to make money so she will not do that any more. If she doesn't know you she will not ship it. When something even appears scarce the online pipe tobacco horders go crazy. If everyone just bought a little then more pipe smokers would have the chance. And then there is the opportunity to make money via ebay so those scumbags buy up and sale right away...exactly what pipe smoking is not about. If you can find a local B&M that is your best chance.Β my b&m is stocked incredibly well with eso and germains. His prices keep it on his shelf. Also there aren't too many pipe smokers who shop there.
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 20, 2018 17:50:24 GMT -5
Honestly it's just the online retailers from what I can tell. With so many people online it is hard for them to keep it in stock. The B&Ms still get Esoterica, at least mine does. I pick up a tin or bag of Penzance and a tin or bag of Stonehaven almost everytime I stop in. They don't mess with online sales so the locals have a great chance of stocking up. The owner told me once that a guy called her and asked to buy all Esoterica that she had and then she found out he re-sold to make money so she will not do that any more. If she doesn't know you she will not ship it. When something even appears scarce the online pipe tobacco horders go crazy. If everyone just bought a little then more pipe smokers would have the chance. And then there is the opportunity to make money via ebay so those scumbags buy up and sale right away...exactly what pipe smoking is not about. If you can find a local B&M that is your best chance.Β my b&m is stocked incredibly well with eso and germains. His prices keep it on his shelf. Also there aren't too many pipe smokers who shop there. you're onto a winner there.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Nov 20, 2018 19:45:45 GMT -5
Does anyone ever think that esoterica will ever return to being commonly available? Surely this crazy cycle of drops will end eventually. I think the short answer is never. They've been unable to service the brands that they currently have. When was the last time they issued Krumble Kake? That's supposedly still in production. Add to their small capacity VS large commitments that they are also now making blends for the Asian market. To be fair, deliveries have been more regular over the past two years, but I doubt that it will ever be more common than it is currently. I just hope that they continue blending and don't either sell out to another company or shut down. Apparently the next generation of Germains aren't keen on taking over the family business.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Nov 20, 2018 19:50:38 GMT -5
Stonehaven with 6 plus years of aging and dried properly is a superb tobacco in the β right β briar. Even in a new MM Country Gentleman pipe πππ I didn't taste anything but hot air, even in a cob. I gave away the rest of the tin. I don't expect it to aquire flavor with age. It doesn't really develop all that much with aging. The key is getting the moisture content "just so". Too moist or too dry, it's pretty flavorless.
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Post by Screaming Jazz on Nov 20, 2018 21:31:57 GMT -5
Does anyone ever think that esoterica will ever return to being commonly available? Surely this crazy cycle of drops will end eventually. Apparently the next generation of Germains aren't keen on taking over the family business. Now that's sad.
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