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Post by Dramatwist on Dec 15, 2018 1:18:17 GMT -5
If you guys get a chance, listen to the Bob Stasch interview, he has been in 14 gun fights....he is a former colleague of my buddy that is an LEO in the greater Phoenix area. Chances are none of us will ever face one of the gunfights that he was in, but it really makes you think about being prepared. Massad Ayoob interview: www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/02/17/interview-bob-stasch-chicago-pd-veteran-14-gunfights/He talks about a guy he encountered... Bobs partner; Unloaded 6-45 long Colt .45 Silver Point HP point blank into the guy 5-.38 Federal 158 grain lead HP +P into the guy Bob: Shot a S&W Model 29...44 Magnum 240 grain semi-jacketed flat-tops, medium velocity. 4 Rounds upper torso 1- thigh 1- kneecap the 5'7 pound perp that weighed 143 pounds took 15 gunshot wounds, and still survived for 10 days before his ticket get's punched...the guy was far below being legally drunk, no drugs in his system. I doubt that nay of us will ever face such a guy, but no one ever regretted having too much ammo/firepower after a gunfight. ...no such thing as being too prepared...
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Post by gav on Dec 15, 2018 4:10:46 GMT -5
Bond really wanted to keep that Beretta.
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Post by Legend Lover on Dec 15, 2018 6:42:03 GMT -5
Bond really wanted to keep that Beretta. and there was a pipe in the video too. Double whammy.
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Post by Dramatwist on Dec 15, 2018 8:33:24 GMT -5
Bond really wanted to keep that Beretta. ...LOL! Yes, he trusted that little sucker...
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 15, 2018 10:12:22 GMT -5
Bond really wanted to keep that Beretta. ...LOL! Yes, he trusted that little sucker... He knew how to hit the head and heart because he was cool under pressure and not human. Elephants are taken with 22 Zippers by people who have nothing to lose. If I ran into a guy like the one described above I would just be added to the debit side of his balance sheet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 17:25:31 GMT -5
One of my East German Maks. I should have kept it, but a friend really liked it and it suited him even better than me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 17:41:50 GMT -5
Don ^^^^^^^^^ very nice gesture on your part, your a real good friend 👌👍👍
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 18:00:14 GMT -5
Don ^^^^^^^^^ very nice gesture on your part, your a real good friend 👌👍👍 Well, it's not like I gave it to him, but I did let him have it for what I paid for it. Which was a bargain at the time.
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 15, 2018 20:57:22 GMT -5
I paid $169 for my new Makarov about 30 years ago. They have gone up with inflation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 21:53:51 GMT -5
So not particularly related to the thread, but I took my Walther to range after getting it back from factory recall to toss 100 rounds downrange. It's a small range of 6 lanes, 5 lanes in use. So I shooting and all is well with the Walther, accurate as always, and people are shooting and you can hear the pow, pow, pow through the ear protectors. Then you hear BOOOM, pause, BOOOM! Like an Iowa class destroyer just fired it's main guns. I back out of my lane as did others to look at the guy in lane 3. He looks around and I ask him what the hell are you shooting? He has a cannon shooting 460 rounds. I watched his paper target when he fires and it doesn't even ripple. Just a hole shows up as the building shakes all the dust off the ceiling. I guess it is the perfect weapon if you need to shoot the burglar hiding behind the refrigerator in your next door neighbor's house.
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 15, 2018 22:06:18 GMT -5
460 Rowland. 44 Magnum power in a 45 ACP sized cartridge. You can convert any high quality 1911 for about $300. They also have kits for Glocks and other pistols. really made for hunting or protection in bear country. Over powered for self defense, but a 260 gr hollow point from one of these would stop JJ Watt if he was on a PCP/Coke/meth cocktail and you kicked his dog. I was going to build one, but I don't have time to shoot my current arsenal. It's painful but worth it to fire off a cylinder of hot 44s in my snubby at an indoor range. 5 shots is more than enough for myself and the bystanders.
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Post by toshtego on Dec 15, 2018 22:19:05 GMT -5
I owned a PPKS for some years. Great little gun. I liked the magazine with the finger thingy which allowed better purchase of the grip. These little guns do recoil some. S&W did a fine job making them in Stainless Steel.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 22:21:24 GMT -5
460 Rowland. 44 Magnum power in a 45 ACP sized cartridge. You can convert any high quality 1911 for about $300. They also have kits for Glocks and other pistols. really made for hunting or protection in bear country. Over powered for self defense, but a 260 gr hollow point from one of these would stop JJ Watt if he was on a PCP/Coke/meth cocktail and you kicked his dog. I was going to build one, but I don't have time to shoot my current arsenal. It's painful but worth it to fire off a cylinder of hot 44s in my snubby at an indoor range. 5 shots is more than enough for myself and the bystanders. We don't have a lot of grizzly's in North Carolina . . . hell in the Raleigh area we don't have a lot of black bears. I guess if you hiking in Western Carolina on the Appalachian trail, maybe . . .
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Post by toshtego on Dec 15, 2018 22:35:54 GMT -5
My handgun days are coming to an end what with artritis and eye trouble. Prefer a Mossberg or my Ruger Deerfield .44 Magnum semi-auto carbine. Only five rounds but they hit hard and I can handle it more reliably.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 22:50:58 GMT -5
My handgun days are coming to an end what with artritis and eye trouble. Prefer a Mossberg or my Ruger Deerfield .44 Magnum semi-auto carbine. Only five rounds but they hit hard and I can handle it more reliably. Great for home protection 👍👍 I enjoy my Henry Big Boy lever action .357 magnum, it’s a rifle that eventually I want to convert to The Rifleman’s simple rapid fire set up. Only difference is I’ll make a rubber boot for the trigger and the machine screw that’s adjustable through the lever. Worked out well on my old Winchester.
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Post by jackdiamond on Jan 3, 2019 1:18:13 GMT -5
A lot of people have been speaking highly of the gun, so I figure I'd better be the devil's advocate.
My buddy has a PPK in .380, and he doesn't like it much at all. First off, the rounds aren't much cheaper than his .45, so he doesn't like it as a range toy. Second, he's never had much luck shooting it. He does a lot better with his S&W Shield in 9mm. If you just want James Bond's gun, I say go for it. If you're looking for something that you're likely to actually get out and shoot, I'd say look elsewhere.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Jan 3, 2019 10:12:54 GMT -5
Since we are talking Pistols, my son did a Clark Custom 1911 .460 Rowland Conversion on his Springfield 1911. He’s gonna do some hog hunting with it.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 3, 2019 15:13:34 GMT -5
Since we are talking Pistols, my son did a Clark Custom 1911 .460 Rowland Conversion on his Springfield 1911. He’s gonna do some hog hunting with it. Never thought I would feel sorry for the hogs, and I don't. I use a 45/70 loaded to 3750fpe. You just can't kill them dead enough quick enough.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 3, 2019 15:15:13 GMT -5
Never, but the Bond dork in me has always wanted one.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 3, 2019 15:21:36 GMT -5
I agree with others that it is most reliable with Hornady ammunition--I do not know why since the pointy profile of that round would seem to cause more feeding problems than the rounder profile of standard "ball" ammunition.
Something to do with the grain perhaps? I have a Colt M&P .22 M4- style plinker that demands CCI mini-mags because cheap .22 ammo just doesn't have the kick to properly cycle the action.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 3, 2019 15:31:07 GMT -5
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 3, 2019 15:46:12 GMT -5
David's got it here... "FBI stats are that the mere presence of a gun saves the day 14 out of 15 times - and that's based on reported incidents. How many go unreported? So, simply having a gun is Rule #1. If it's a collector's piece, then enjoy and don't stress over it."...if more states were like Texas, and the bad guys knew that pretty much everyone is packing, the crime rate goes down. End of story. Unlike California, where I live... Not to get too political, but on the subject of deterrent- I feel we need a special punishment for mass-shooters. Some cruel and repulsive torture that strips them of any dignity to the point of no longer being recognized as a human. Their records should be destroyed as well. As if they never existed. The whole glory, martyr aspect of the thing needs to be taken out of the equation.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 3, 2019 16:14:46 GMT -5
David's got it here... "FBI stats are that the mere presence of a gun saves the day 14 out of 15 times - and that's based on reported incidents. How many go unreported? So, simply having a gun is Rule #1. If it's a collector's piece, then enjoy and don't stress over it."...if more states were like Texas, and the bad guys knew that pretty much everyone is packing, the crime rate goes down. End of story. Unlike California, where I live... Not to get too political, but on the subject of deterrent- I feel we need a special punishment for mass-shooters. Some cruel and repulsive torture that strips them of any dignity to the point of no longer being recognized as a human. Their records should be destroyed as well. As if they never existed. The whole glory, martyr aspect of the thing needs to be taken out of the equation. In Texas we have a new breed that doesn't care if they get shot. They take crazy chances and will kill you without a thought. Some guy in a red pickup shot a 7 year old girl last week and they are ripping out all the shrubbery looking for him. I'm afraid to drive my red truck until he is caught. He better hope that the police get to him before the citizens.
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Post by jackdiamond on Jan 3, 2019 16:41:09 GMT -5
David's got it here... "FBI stats are that the mere presence of a gun saves the day 14 out of 15 times - and that's based on reported incidents. How many go unreported? So, simply having a gun is Rule #1. If it's a collector's piece, then enjoy and don't stress over it."...if more states were like Texas, and the bad guys knew that pretty much everyone is packing, the crime rate goes down. End of story. Unlike California, where I live... Not to get too political, but on the subject of deterrent- I feel we need a special punishment for mass-shooters. Some cruel and repulsive torture that strips them of any dignity to the point of no longer being recognized as a human. Their records should be destroyed as well. As if they never existed. The whole glory, martyr aspect of the thing needs to be taken out of the equation. As a society, I think we need to collectively decide to not talk about them. When a shooting happens, the media needs to stop using their name.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 3, 2019 16:50:05 GMT -5
Not to get too political, but on the subject of deterrent- I feel we need a special punishment for mass-shooters. Some cruel and repulsive torture that strips them of any dignity to the point of no longer being recognized as a human. Their records should be destroyed as well. As if they never existed. The whole glory, martyr aspect of the thing needs to be taken out of the equation. As a society, I think we need to collectively decide to not talk about them. When a shooting happens, the media needs to stop using their name. Absolutely. Unfortunately our media and pop culture work in total opposite of this..
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