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Post by Dramatwist on Dec 19, 2018 16:21:26 GMT -5
Dramatwist , the largest thing in my cellar is FMC. How long do you think it will retain its good flavor? , it's difficult to say for sure, but my guess is that because it is what I consider a "crossover" blend, the aging after 10 years wouldn't be as much of an issue as with Penzance or Balkan blends. I still have FMC from quite a while ago. Not worried. |
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Post by kxg on Dec 19, 2018 17:09:13 GMT -5
Friend popped a 40 year old tin of Capstan Navy Cut that was amazing! Oldest in my cellar is a Wessex Virginia 10 year old. I do have some English blends around 5 years and all my aromatics are less then a year but plan on doing an age experiment with some. Puffing at the average rate of 0.3 oz, approx 3 bowls Daily (total approx 8.5 oz Monthly) I have little over 2 years worth with my 17 lb stash. I'm wondering if your "average rate of 0.3 oz" is a rule-of-thumb average or if you've actually weighed it out? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 20:27:35 GMT -5
Friend popped a 40 year old tin of Capstan Navy Cut that was amazing! Oldest in my cellar is a Wessex Virginia 10 year old. I do have some English blends around 5 years and all my aromatics are less then a year but plan on doing an age experiment with some. Puffing at the average rate of 0.3 oz, approx 3 bowls Daily (total approx 8.5 oz Monthly) I have little over 2 years worth with my 17 lb stash. I'm wondering if your "average rate of 0.3 oz" is a rule-of-thumb average or if you've actually weighed it out? Rule of thumb. I have never weighed it and I'm sure I am plowing through more then 3 bowls a day. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Dec 19, 2018 22:16:38 GMT -5
I love the way you've thought this through, PhantomWolf. Like a true scientist. |
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Post by blackmouth210 on Dec 19, 2018 22:30:28 GMT -5
We normally focus heavily on cellaring deep.
For some, it's just as important to cellar wide.
I get a lot of my joy of pipesmoking from regularly trying new blends and regularly smoking a huge variety from day to day (and sometimes hour to hour).
Therefore I don't only cellar deep, I cellar wide.
If variety is important to you, don't forget to do the same.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Dec 19, 2018 23:00:15 GMT -5
I agree with the "wide" thought. I like trying new things and my "cellar" shows it. I have about 20-30 different tins that I plan on getting around to one day. Having a variety is important to me. But some of my favorites are bulk, theres A LOT of jars of those as well.
When I quit smoking cigarettes I vaped and I liked variety as well. At one time I had over 150 30ml bottles of different juices.
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Post by desolbones on Dec 19, 2018 23:12:04 GMT -5
How deep should a cellar be...7' so you don't bump your head. I like a lot of variety so cellar wide, things I like go deep (2+ lb = deep). probably over 100 different blends a lot of std blends some oddballs...like 2 tins of Degudchit.
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Post by Darin on Dec 20, 2018 7:50:21 GMT -5
I've got a couple pounds of whole-leaf Latakia from 1997 that still have plenty of zip and am currently smoking some 12 year old Star of the East. I wouldn't worry too much about aging Latakia.
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Post by dave g on Dec 20, 2018 8:06:30 GMT -5
I’ve lucked into quite a few aged tins of various Latakia blends. Some are quite different from fresh leaf. Almost always in a better way though.
A few years ago I opened a tin of Robert Lewis from 1979. It still had a great smoky Lat flavor. A 20 year old tin of Krumble Kake I’m still currently sipping on is magnificent.
If the seals hold up you don’t have much to worry about.
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Post by blackmouth210 on Dec 20, 2018 8:46:50 GMT -5
I’ve lucked into quite a few aged tins of various Latakia blends. Some are quite different from fresh leaf. Almost always in a better way though. A few years ago I opened a tin of Robert Lewis from 1979. It still had a great smoky Lat flavor. A 20 year old tin of Krumble Kake I’m still currently sipping on is magnificent. If the seals hold up you don’t have much to worry about. You mention the seals and it puts me in mind of a recent idea I had to jar everything in my cellar. I trust the seals on a Ball jar more than on some factory tins. But, boy, would this be a daunting task. I keep putting it off. Approx 50% of my blends are still in unopened tins. 😞 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 9:40:36 GMT -5
Discovered side note. On tobaccocellar.com it only calculates weight if it is not open. So for me it is 13 lbs when in fact my stash is closer to 18 lbs. I understand why it does that but if you list a lot of jars as open you might think you have a lot less then actual.
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Post by Low and Slow on Dec 20, 2018 10:14:27 GMT -5
Some great advice here. The aged tins in my cellar are more from forgetting I have them than intentional cellaring. Towit, I found a tin of Macbaren Mixture (Scottish) in my parents basement that had been sitting there for 35 years. The tobacco was as fresh as new but the years had morphed the blend into something much darker and the smoke was like honey and butter. Sometimes blind luck rewards you.  Ooh, I can imagine that this was quite a treat. I am on my first tin of Mixture ever and it's really grown on me. Enjoy it! |
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Post by trailboss on Dec 20, 2018 13:46:53 GMT -5
I’ve lucked into quite a few aged tins of various Latakia blends. Some are quite different from fresh leaf. Almost always in a better way though. A few years ago I opened a tin of Robert Lewis from 1979. It still had a great smoky Lat flavor. A 20 year old tin of Krumble Kake I’m still currently sipping on is magnificent. If the seals hold up you don’t have much to worry about. Pipestud says that aged Latakia blends typically command the highest prices... I don’t doubt that with time some Latakia blends get more mild, to me that is a plus. |
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Post by Dramatwist on Dec 20, 2018 13:55:39 GMT -5
I’ve lucked into quite a few aged tins of various Latakia blends. Some are quite different from fresh leaf. Almost always in a better way though. A few years ago I opened a tin of Robert Lewis from 1979. It still had a great smoky Lat flavor. A 20 year old tin of Krumble Kake I’m still currently sipping on is magnificent. If the seals hold up you don’t have much to worry about. Pipestud says that aged Latakia blends typically command the highest prices... I don’t doubt that with time some Latakia blends get more mild, to me that is a plus. You're right, Charlie... to some it's a plus and to others a lack of nuance... to each their own, and best regards. |
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Post by trailboss on Dec 20, 2018 14:15:51 GMT -5
Yeah, that is why I like Syrian vs Cyprian, it definitely seems to be milder to my palate.
I got a really old tin of Germain’s Royal Jersey Latakia blend once... the paper was thoroughly soiled... I imagine that some of the flavor leached on the paper, but my, oh my!
That was one I savored, and felt like I lost a new friend when I puffed the last.
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Post by Dramatwist on Dec 20, 2018 14:57:22 GMT -5
Yeah, that is why I like Syrian vs Cyprian, it definitely seems to be milder to my palate. I got a really old tin of Germain’s Royal Jersey Latakia blend once... the paper was thoroughly soiled... I imagine that some of the flavor leached on the paper, but my, oh my! That was one I savored, and felt like I lost a new friend when I puffed the last. I can well imagine... there have been many tobacco blends that have vanished during my 46 years of pipe smoking... |
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Post by peteguy on Dec 20, 2018 15:01:46 GMT -5
10+ years of age:
Virginias - Can they be aged long enough?
Burleys - Meh, doesn't seem to help them for my taste.
Lat - Haven't had enough experience.
Anything mixed with Virginias - different but still good (probably due to the VA's)
Celler depth:
Virginias - as much as you can
The rest - just enough to keep you going.
Now the hard part. Blends that are no more. I say as much as you can no matter the tobacco.
Just my opinions and not gospel by any means.
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Post by dave g on Dec 20, 2018 19:32:58 GMT -5
I’ve lucked into quite a few aged tins of various Latakia blends. Some are quite different from fresh leaf. Almost always in a better way though. A few years ago I opened a tin of Robert Lewis from 1979. It still had a great smoky Lat flavor. A 20 year old tin of Krumble Kake I’m still currently sipping on is magnificent. If the seals hold up you don’t have much to worry about. You mention the seals and it puts me in mind of a recent idea I had to jar everything in my cellar. I trust the seals on a Ball jar more than on some factory tins. But, boy, would this be a daunting task. I keep putting it off. Approx 50% of my blends are still in unopened tins. 😞 I don’t trust square tins or bagged blends. Those get jarred. The round tins usually hold up forever. |
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Post by blackmouth210 on Dec 20, 2018 21:35:18 GMT -5
You mention the seals and it puts me in mind of a recent idea I had to jar everything in my cellar. I trust the seals on a Ball jar more than on some factory tins. But, boy, would this be a daunting task. I keep putting it off. Approx 50% of my blends are still in unopened tins. 😞 I don’t trust square tins or bagged blends. Those get jarred. The round tins usually hold up forever. I understand some of the GLP round tins will rust from the inside out. And there's no way of knowing until you pop the tin or notice small red spot or spots on the outside. I've seen photos of this but have never experienced it myself. That makes me want to at least jar the unopened GLP tins...and there are quite a few of those. 😕 |
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Post by puritana on Dec 20, 2018 21:49:59 GMT -5
And here I am with my 20-30 tins, pouches and bell jars thinking I'm stocked up!
I rarely ever purchase with the intent of keeping anything more than a year or two.
I'm sure if I spend enough time here, I'll probably quadruple that by next year...
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Post by kbareit on Dec 20, 2018 22:07:32 GMT -5
And here I am with my 20-30 tins, pouches and bell jars thinking I'm stocked up! I rarely ever purchase with the intent of keeping anything more than a year or two. I'm sure if I spend enough time here, I'll probably quadruple that by next year... I started out with 9 tins and 4 pipes about a month ago. I'm up to about 40 tins and 10 lbs of tobacco and over 100 pipes (Vast majority are estate lots of some rough pipes but got a hand full of really nice ones too). You'll have plenty built up in no time. |
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Post by trailboss on Dec 20, 2018 22:07:40 GMT -5
Paul at Big Sticks, has been a tobacconist for over 30 years, says that for his personal cellared blends he uses a mason jar vacuum... a quick way to seal the jars with a great seal, and no degradation for the long haul. I am not sure how it would play for the people that want air in for the aging process. Probably a good idea for aromatics and Lat blends that you might not want to soften?
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Post by LSUTigersFan on Dec 20, 2018 22:30:31 GMT -5
A tobacco cellar should be as deep as an ammo fort!
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Post by LSUTigersFan on Dec 20, 2018 22:31:12 GMT -5
A tobacco cellar should be as deep as an ammo fort!
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Post by trailboss on Dec 20, 2018 22:33:10 GMT -5
You can say that again!  |
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Post by jeffd on Dec 20, 2018 23:36:08 GMT -5
I haven't gotten into cellaring for age yet. I smoke, run out, buy more, repeat.
I do have some depth of Billy Budd Blonde because I have developed a kind paranoia that it will become unavailable just because of how much I like it. That is the danger of my strategy.
Others cellar for price control. Having a deep cellar means you can patiently wait for the bargains and sales, and mitigate to some extent the net net you end up paying. That makes a lot of sense to me as well.
It seems that cellaring strategy, implementation, and tracking, is a fun corner the "hobby".
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Post by beardedmi on Dec 20, 2018 23:45:50 GMT -5
Friend popped a 40 year old tin of Capstan Navy Cut that was amazing! Oldest in my cellar is a Wessex Virginia 10 year old. I do have some English blends around 5 years and all my aromatics are less then a year but plan on doing an age experiment with some. Puffing at the average rate of 0.3 oz, approx 3 bowls Daily (total approx 8.5 oz Monthly) I have little over 2 years worth with my 17 lb stash. I'm wondering if your "average rate of 0.3 oz" is a rule-of-thumb average or if you've actually weighed it out? I have weighed out many bowl sizes for different smoking contests from 2.8g to 3.3g and a medium group 4 size pipe will hold 3g and be full right to the brim with a solid pack of ribbon cut tobacco. Cube cut and flakes are a bit different, but a good rule is to figure 3g per bowl. That way your more likely to be lighter rather than heavier and stretch what you have a bit further. That equals out to right around .12 oz per bowl. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Dec 21, 2018 6:39:05 GMT -5
And here I am with my 20-30 tins, pouches and bell jars thinking I'm stocked up! I rarely ever purchase with the intent of keeping anything more than a year or two. I'm sure if I spend enough time here, I'll probably quadruple that by next year... try next MONTH. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 8:27:04 GMT -5
You can say that again! Shhhhhhhhh....Patrick was so shocked, he started to stutter.....lol. |
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Post by kxg on Dec 21, 2018 14:40:35 GMT -5
I'm wondering if your "average rate of 0.3 oz" is a rule-of-thumb average or if you've actually weighed it out? I have weighed out many bowl sizes for different smoking contests from 2.8g to 3.3g and a medium group 4 size pipe will hold 3g and be full right to the brim with a solid pack of ribbon cut tobacco. Cube cut and flakes are a bit different, but a good rule is to figure 3g per bowl. That way your more likely to be lighter rather than heavier and stretch what you have a bit further. That equals out to right around .12 oz per bowl. The .12 oz per bowl is my (limited data set) experience as well. If I smoke 3 pipes/day, 5 days/week, my 35#’s should last around six years. Of course I don’t plan on my cellar staying static, where’s the fun in that? |
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