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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jan 7, 2019 16:17:17 GMT -5
Old Joe Krantz can definitely be more on the “ harsh “ side if smoked fresh......even if air dried. I find OJK needs at least a year of aging to become much more mellow and smooth to the palate. See, this is my beef, in a nutshell. If it needs a year of aging to be palatable, why the heck didn't they age it a year themselves? When I buy a tin of tobacco, I expect to be able to crack it and smoke it that day. |
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Post by sperrytops on Jan 7, 2019 16:25:35 GMT -5
Absolutely agree with sablebrush52. If you really want to enjoy your C&Ds, you need to age them a bit. They come pretty fresh. But to aging, even Esoterica improves with aging.
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Post by briarbuck on Jan 7, 2019 16:29:42 GMT -5
First bowl down and I like the Six-pence quite a bit. Broke down the flakes and stuffed them into a cutty that I got from a fellow forum member. Tastes like Haddo to me (lees perrique forward). The Va's have a nice sour that balances out the flavors pretty well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 16:29:46 GMT -5
Old Joe Krantz can definitely be more on the “ harsh “ side if smoked fresh......even if air dried. I find OJK needs at least a year of aging to become much more mellow and smooth to the palate. See, this is my beef, in a nutshell. If it needs a year of aging to be palatable, why the heck didn't they age it a year themselves? When I buy a tin of tobacco, I expect to be able to crack it and smoke it that day. C&D manufacturer’s a number of tobacco’s I enjoy, however NONE are properly aged prior to being tinned. Some are tinned so wet and the proper anti fungal agent was not used and mold grew from the center of the tin, spread rapidly. I’ll give you just one example: Bijou, I had severe mold in over a dozen tins. Another blend that’s “ BLAH “ when smoked fresh. Eighteen months of aging made a huge difference. I have 6 pint jars dated and in a few months once it reaches a full two years of “ PROPER “ age I will be enjoying this tobacco 👍👌 Ive yet to really enjoy a fresh C&D or GLP blend without a minimum of 18 months of aging. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Jan 7, 2019 17:06:24 GMT -5
See, this is my beef, in a nutshell. If it needs a year of aging to be palatable, why the heck didn't they age it a year themselves? When I buy a tin of tobacco, I expect to be able to crack it and smoke it that day. C&D manufacturer’s a number of tobacco’s I enjoy, however NONE are properly aged prior to being tinned. Some are tinned so wet and the proper anti fungal agent was not used and mold grew from the center of the tin, spread rapidly. I’ll give you just one example: Bijou, I had severe mold in over a dozen tins. Another blend that’s “ BLAH “ when smoked fresh. Eighteen months of aging made a huge difference. I have 6 pint jars dated and in a few months once it reaches a full two years of “ PROPER “ age I will be enjoying this tobacco 👍👌 Ive yet to really enjoy a fresh C&D or GLP blend without a minimum of 18 months of aging. There was another rash of Bijou mold from tins packed in March 2018. That said, I have to say I've come around on C&D. Yes, some stuff is like acid out of the tin, and needs AT LEAST 6 months, before it's halfway smokeable. I agree with what Smelly Hat had said, in that blends SHOULD be well aged and ready to smoke upon purchase. But, C&D is its own animal, and I'll just keep in mind that some of their blends need some shelf time. I have now amassed a small bevy of perfectly smokeable blends out of the tin/bag. Some are bulk, which have had aeration, some are tins and are ready from tin-ctack. It is a crapshoot, when you're first learning C&D. But, I can almost be certain that: any Virginia blend needs shelved (there are exceptions). Their burleys, less so, but a little air time, lossely packed in a jar helps. Their English/Balkan, usually great out of the gate. Pease blends have almost all been good - except Haddo's. That stuff's been sitting around for about 10 months, and still isn't anywhere near I'd like it. All this, and I haven't even tried 1/4 of what they have out there. Experimentation will, and must, continue. |
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Post by pappyjoe on Jan 7, 2019 18:10:10 GMT -5
What does "get" me about C&D is their Cellar series blends which state on the tins that it will reach its optimal flavor after aging for 10 years.
Why buy a tobacco you aren't going to smoke for 10 years and can they guarantee you that you will be around 10 years from now?
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Post by Legend Lover on Jan 7, 2019 18:18:04 GMT -5
Old Joe Krantz can definitely be more on the “ harsh “ side if smoked fresh......even if air dried. I find OJK needs at least a year of aging to become much more mellow and smooth to the palate. See, this is my beef, in a nutshell. If it needs a year of aging to be palatable, why the heck didn't they age it a year themselves? When I buy a tin of tobacco, I expect to be able to crack it and smoke it that day. I concur with this and what pappyjoe said above. It almost seems lazy on their part. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Jan 7, 2019 18:50:55 GMT -5
What does "get" me about C&D is their Cellar series blends which state on the tins that it will reach its optimal flavor after aging for 10 years. Why buy a tobacco you aren't going to smoke for 10 years and can they guarantee you that you will be around 10 years from now? I firmly agree, but I treat a lot of C&D blends like a "Cellar Series". I'll just do everything I can to stay alive for that wondrous day when I feel they're ready to be opened. O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! |
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Post by yaddy306 on Jan 7, 2019 19:02:10 GMT -5
What does "get" me about C&D is their Cellar series blends which state on the tins that it will reach its optimal flavor after aging for 10 years. Why buy a tobacco you aren't going to smoke for 10 years and can they guarantee you that you will be around 10 years from now? I call bull on the Cellar Series being "optimized" for a specific amount of aging, too. They claim that some reach a peak at 8-12 years, others at 10, etc. With mechanisms of aging still being a mystery, how can they know what a new blend will taste like in 8 years, and that it will be better than if you wait 12 years? Pure marketing bull. |
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Post by slowroll on Jan 7, 2019 19:18:00 GMT -5
Re C&D cellar series, they are just responding to a market that claimed to want a tobacco to be aged. You are free to buy it or not. They aren't forcing anyone to buy it. It ain't as Nuts as a food company telling you that water is gluten free and organic.
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Post by SCF Dan on Jan 7, 2019 19:41:40 GMT -5
You are free to buy it or not. They aren't forcing anyone to buy it. Agreed. I love C&D Bijou. If this stuff gets better with that much age, then I'm all in. Hopefully, my tins survive the journey. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 20:01:09 GMT -5
What does "get" me about C&D is their Cellar series blends which state on the tins that it will reach its optimal flavor after aging for 10 years. Why buy a tobacco you aren't going to smoke for 10 years and can they guarantee you that you will be around 10 years from now? I call bull on the Cellar Series being "optimized" for a specific amount of aging, too. They claim that some reach a peak at 8-12 years, others at 10, etc. With mechanisms of aging still being a mystery, how can they know what a new blend will taste like in 8 years, and that it will be better than if you wait 12 years? Pure marketing bull. BIG +1.....I agree 100%. Their statement is utterly absurd!! |
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Post by kbareit on Jan 7, 2019 21:29:00 GMT -5
What does "get" me about C&D is their Cellar series blends which state on the tins that it will reach its optimal flavor after aging for 10 years. Why buy a tobacco you aren't going to smoke for 10 years and can they guarantee you that you will be around 10 years from now? 10 years? I can't wait that long to have tobacco be optimal. I might be dead in 10 years. Guess they'll have to toss it in the oven with me. |
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jan 8, 2019 3:41:44 GMT -5
What does "get" me about C&D is their Cellar series blends which state on the tins that it will reach its optimal flavor after aging for 10 years. Why buy a tobacco you aren't going to smoke for 10 years and can they guarantee you that you will be around 10 years from now? I think it's just a gimmick on their part to cash in on the cellaring craze. Besides, how can anyone predict what a blend will become down the road. |
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Post by slowroll on Jan 8, 2019 12:41:17 GMT -5
It's about the same as the market for new wine that people pay big bucks for knowing it needs to age for years, and no idea how it will turn out.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 8, 2019 16:30:32 GMT -5
It's about the same as the market for new wine that people pay big bucks for knowing it needs to age for years, and no idea how it will turn out. A pretty good analogy. I have plenty of blends to smoke from all phases of age up to five years or so, and a few sprinkled in over the 10 year mark. I think that the cellar series was a smart business move on their part knowing something of the affliction of cellar fever. I think that past experience knowing how components age and marry over the long haul has given them enough information to be fairly correct in their claims. Having said that, I never got caught up in cellar series compulsion, but I have about a dozen tins put away. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jan 8, 2019 17:06:12 GMT -5
It's about the same as the market for new wine that people pay big bucks for knowing it needs to age for years, and no idea how it will turn out. A pretty good analogy. I have plenty of blends to smoke from all phases of age up to five years or so, and a few sprinkled in over the 10 year mark. I think that the cellar series was a smart business move on their part knowing something of the affliction of cellar fever. I think that past experience knowing how components age and marry over the long haul has given them enough information to be fairly correct in their claims. Having said that, I never got caught up in cellar series compulsion, but I have about a dozen tins put away. It IS quite clever. If you open the tin fresh you can't complain if you don't enjoy it. If you open it in 15 years time and don't like it, they can say it was cellared too long. If you open it after 10 years and don't like it, they can say you're cellar conditions weren't right, etc.... |
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Post by gav on Jan 8, 2019 17:55:47 GMT -5
I have 10 tins of Bijou I got for a 2 fer 1 deal with Dunhill Dark Flake. Tin fresh was pretty rancid. I hate opening tins to jar so I wonder if they will be covered in mold when I open them? That said, it shouldn't be something I should have to worry about.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jan 8, 2019 21:05:51 GMT -5
I have 10 tins of Bijou I got for a 2 fer 1 deal with Dunhill Dark Flake. Tin fresh was pretty rancid. I hate opening tins to jar so I wonder if they will be covered in mold when I open them? That said, it shouldn't be something I should have to worry about. It's been noted elsewhere that the bulk of C&D's mold issues have revolved around their Red Virginias. While I applaud their commitment to using as little chemical content as possible, it's not a help it they can't make that work. |
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jan 8, 2019 21:08:09 GMT -5
A pretty good analogy. I have plenty of blends to smoke from all phases of age up to five years or so, and a few sprinkled in over the 10 year mark. I think that the cellar series was a smart business move on their part knowing something of the affliction of cellar fever. I think that past experience knowing how components age and marry over the long haul has given them enough information to be fairly correct in their claims. Having said that, I never got caught up in cellar series compulsion, but I have about a dozen tins put away. It IS quite clever. If you open the tin fresh you can't complain if you don't enjoy it. If you open it in 15 years time and don't like it, they can say it was cellared too long. If you open it after 10 years and don't like it, they can say you're cellar conditions weren't right, etc.... Plus, who knows if they will be around in 10 to 15 years. |
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Post by jeffd on Jan 9, 2019 11:09:28 GMT -5
"Does anyone actually like Cornell and Diehl?"
The conclusion seems to be yea and hell yea, with some refined exceptions and interesting commentary. About the same as with any blender I would expect, big fans, fans, picky fans, and those who go elsewhere.
The more I learn about blending the more I figure that Billy Budd Blonde is sheer genius and the great good fortune that I swerved into it.
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Post by kingchuck109 on Jan 9, 2019 11:14:27 GMT -5
hell Yea love me some Cornell & Diehl Mississppi Mud.
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