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Post by Legend Lover on Jan 25, 2019 12:42:41 GMT -5
If the executive branch decides to prosecute cases again, the burden of proof will be on you to demonstrate your humanitarian bona fides. Flying to Cuba puts your name on a list of people who could be prosecuted for a federal felony at any time. You won't find me booking a Cuban vacation any time soon. Not without an act of Congress. yikes. I never knew that. |
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Post by stogiebear on Jan 25, 2019 13:08:31 GMT -5
Those London prices are inflated by taxes. If you buy from one of the sites that ship to the US and are not taxed, most Cuban cigars aren't very expensive - I'm talking about perfectly good Montecristos and Romeo y Julietas under $10. Of course, that's not exactly legal for us. But also, I do find Cuba pretty overrated. Other countries are making cigars that, while they're not the same flavor profile as Cubans, are in their own ways at least as good, and usually better made (e.g., even a lowly Altadis stick is less likely to be plugged than most Habanos).
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Post by LSUTigersFan on Jan 25, 2019 21:20:42 GMT -5
I prefer Nico's myself
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Post by Quintsrevenge on Jan 26, 2019 6:51:04 GMT -5
I'm sure that I'm far from the only pipe smoker who also enjoys cigars.Like a lot of folks I always long for some things that aren't available.Cuban Cigars being one of them..Here's something I was once told by a fella who ran one of the larger mail order cigar companies at that time..He said that the amount of land in Cuba that can be used to grow tobacco is limited.If and when Cuban Cigars become legal to sell in this country the demand will surpass the supply.This will lead to shortages and higher prices..Of course when I can I will smoke some but I doubt that I will be able to afford them as an every day smoke. I doubt the demand will go through the roof.
The world's best cigar tobaccos are not grown in Cuba. The world's best cigars are not made in Cuba.
Unless free enterprise returns to Cuba, and the growers, blenders, and manufacturers who fled the country return to examine and purchase Cuban tobacco again, you won't see very much that rivals the handmades sold in the United States.
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Post by Quintsrevenge on Jan 26, 2019 6:54:00 GMT -5
If the executive branch decides to prosecute cases again, the burden of proof will be on you to demonstrate your humanitarian bona fides. Flying to Cuba puts your name on a list of people who could be prosecuted for a federal felony at any time. You won't find me booking a Cuban vacation any time soon. Not without an act of Congress. Could you show me some proof to this ? Like you ask for in some of your threads |
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Post by toshtego on Jan 26, 2019 8:29:21 GMT -5
The best Cuban cigars used to be sent to England. I do not know if that is still the case. The Brits paid top dollar and tobacconists like J.J. Fox charge accordingly. I paid a fortune for boxes of Hoyo de Monterrey Churchill's many years ago. Each one was perfect. Sadly, the Cohibas a friend brought back from Paris contained many un-smokable cigars, rolled too tight. Cuban cigars, the good ones, were incomparable. I do not know if that is still so.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 9:09:12 GMT -5
IMHO Cuban cigars are not what they use to be after USSR pulled out in '94. Davidoff pulled out around the same time citing quality problems. I've talked to a master blender of a cigar company and he said the dirty little secret with Cuban tobacco is they don't age the leaf properly anymore.
Based on my memory cuban's were some flavorful arse kickers in the early 90s. If you laid out 100 cigars un-banned and only 1 was from Cuba, I could pick it out just from the unsmoked smell. Now when I smoke the same cigar I find them to be not as strong and only hints of the flavor. I'm not sure I could notice the distinctive Cuban essence now. Maybe Partagas No. 4 Series 'D' or Bolivar Petite Corona.
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Post by toshtego on Jan 26, 2019 9:51:37 GMT -5
That could be. My experience with Cuban cigars predate the Russian withdrawal.
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Post by gav on Jan 26, 2019 13:24:14 GMT -5
Everyone continually points out the cigar quality problems from the cigar boom era of the late 80's early nineties. This was over 30 year ago! Yes, there were supply problems and quality went down. There was also a bad outbreak of TMV due to weather issues and a change of tobacco strains which changed the flavor in many peoples opinions. I've had plugged cigars and cigars that tasted like crap from many different producers most of which I would attribute to bad storage conditions. The main problem I see with The cuban cigar industry is that they make everything into limited edition nowadays at the expense of discontinuing favorite vitolas. Cuba has not come close to maximizing the potential output they have. If anything they are lowering output due to worldwide economic conditions.
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Post by gav on Jan 26, 2019 13:55:16 GMT -5
If the executive branch decides to prosecute cases again, the burden of proof will be on you to demonstrate your humanitarian bona fides. Flying to Cuba puts your name on a list of people who could be prosecuted for a federal felony at any time. You won't find me booking a Cuban vacation any time soon. Not without an act of Congress. Could you show me some proof to this ? Like you ask for in some of your threads Some people post ugly comments about things they have no idea about based on political viewpoints outside the subject discussed.... |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jan 26, 2019 16:59:57 GMT -5
If the executive branch decides to prosecute cases again, the burden of proof will be on you to demonstrate your humanitarian bona fides. Flying to Cuba puts your name on a list of people who could be prosecuted for a federal felony at any time. You won't find me booking a Cuban vacation any time soon. Not without an act of Congress. Could you show me some proof to this ? Like you ask for in some of your threads The Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917, and the Helms-Burton Act of 1996, should clarify things.
Neither has been repealed.
All of the travel to Cuba is enabled by executive order and selective prosecution. Without an act of Congress, it's illegal as hell, and at least for the civil penalties, the burden of proof is on you.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 26, 2019 17:05:18 GMT -5
I keep things simple....Arturo Fuente makes a fantastic cigar, and the price point of the offerings...are attractive.
Remember who brought you to the dance...for me it is Arturo Fuente's...never had a bad smoke...all great.
Yeah...boring to aficionado's...works for me.
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Post by puffy on Jan 26, 2019 17:55:53 GMT -5
I keep things simple....Arturo Fuente makes a fantastic cigar, and the price point of the offerings...are attractive. Remember who brought you to the dance...for me it is Arturo Fuente's...never had a bad smoke...all great. Yeah...boring to aficionado's...works for me. Great Cigars..One of my favorites |
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Post by slowroll on Jan 26, 2019 18:58:32 GMT -5
I keep things simple....Arturo Fuente makes a fantastic cigar, and the price point of the offerings...are attractive. Remember who brought you to the dance...for me it is Arturo Fuente's...never had a bad smoke...all great. Yeah...boring to aficionado's...works for me. I haven't smoked any cigar but Arturo Fuente for 20 years. No need. Used to smoke 2 a day. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 14:36:57 GMT -5
That could be. My experience with Cuban cigars predate the Russian withdrawal.
True but the soil is burned out. They don't let it rest and don't get the fertilizer subsidies. |
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Post by sperrytops on Jan 27, 2019 16:56:24 GMT -5
Could you show me some proof to this ? Like you ask for in some of your threads The Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917, and the Helms-Burton Act of 1996, should clarify things.
Neither has been repealed.
All of the travel to Cuba is enabled by executive order and selective prosecution. Without an act of Congress, it's illegal as hell, and at least for the civil penalties, the burden of proof is on you.
TWEA is interpreted to apply to company's engaging commercially with Cuba, not individuals bringing back for personal use. Found this on the web: Cuban rum and cigars will now be subject to the same duties as alcohol and tobacco from other countries, meaning most travelers will be able to bring back as many as 100 cigars and several bottles of rum. From customs department: As of October 17, 2016, the purchase or other acquisition in Cuba and importation as accompanied baggage into the United States of merchandise is authorized, provided that the merchandise is imported for personal use only. For HBA of 1996: The act extended the territorial application of the initial embargo to apply to foreign companies trading with Cuba, and penalized foreign companies allegedly "trafficking" in property formerly owned by U.S. citizens but confiscated by Cuba after the Cuban revolution. You might interpret that to cover cigars, but If that were the case the customs department wouldn't be giving guidance on how many cigars you can bring back. In any case, 'foreign companies' means companies that are not American. As for Congress being the only ones who can change the TWEA, the Berman amendment modified the Act to allow the President broader flexibility in making those judgements. |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jan 27, 2019 17:10:08 GMT -5
The Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917, and the Helms-Burton Act of 1996, should clarify things.
Neither has been repealed.
All of the travel to Cuba is enabled by executive order and selective prosecution. Without an act of Congress, it's illegal as hell, and at least for the civil penalties, the burden of proof is on you.
TWEA is interpreted to apply to company's engaging commercially with Cuba, not individuals bringing back for personal use. Found this on the web: Cuban rum and cigars will now be subject to the same duties as alcohol and tobacco from other countries, meaning most travelers will be able to bring back as many as 100 cigars and several bottles of rum. From customs department: As of October 17, 2016, the purchase or other acquisition in Cuba and importation as accompanied baggage into the United States of merchandise is authorized, provided that the merchandise is imported for personal use only. For HBA of 1996: The act extended the territorial application of the initial embargo to apply to foreign companies trading with Cuba, and penalized foreign companies allegedly "trafficking" in property formerly owned by U.S. citizens but confiscated by Cuba after the Cuban revolution. You might interpret that to cover cigars, but If that were the case the customs department wouldn't be giving guidance on how many cigars you can bring back. In any case, 'foreign companies' means companies that are not American. As for Congress being the only ones who can change the TWEA, the Berman amendment modified the Act to allow the President broader flexibility in making those judgements.
You can bring cigars back if you have a legal reason to travel to Cuba.
Right now the process for determining whether your trip is legal is that you write down on a form what your legal purpose is, and there's a civil process for reviewing it if the feds take an interest years down the road. For my own part, I'm not going to scribble on a government form that I'm making a "humanitarian" trip to Cuba, get on an airliner, and hope no future President changes his mind about enforcement.
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Post by sperrytops on Jan 27, 2019 17:19:34 GMT -5
TWEA is interpreted to apply to company's engaging commercially with Cuba, not individuals bringing back for personal use. Found this on the web: Cuban rum and cigars will now be subject to the same duties as alcohol and tobacco from other countries, meaning most travelers will be able to bring back as many as 100 cigars and several bottles of rum. From customs department: As of October 17, 2016, the purchase or other acquisition in Cuba and importation as accompanied baggage into the United States of merchandise is authorized, provided that the merchandise is imported for personal use only. For HBA of 1996: The act extended the territorial application of the initial embargo to apply to foreign companies trading with Cuba, and penalized foreign companies allegedly "trafficking" in property formerly owned by U.S. citizens but confiscated by Cuba after the Cuban revolution. You might interpret that to cover cigars, but If that were the case the customs department wouldn't be giving guidance on how many cigars you can bring back. In any case, 'foreign companies' means companies that are not American. As for Congress being the only ones who can change the TWEA, the Berman amendment modified the Act to allow the President broader flexibility in making those judgements.
You can bring cigars back if you have a legal reason to travel to Cuba.
Right now the process for determining whether your trip is legal is that you write down on a form what your legal purpose is, and there's a civil process for reviewing it if the feds take an interest years down the road. For my own part, I'm not going to scribble on a government form that I'm making a "humanitarian" trip to Cuba, get on an airliner, and hope no future President changes his mind about enforcement.
The 12 categories of authorized travel to Cuba are: family visits; official business of the U.S. government, foreign governments, and certain intergovernmental organizations; journalistic activity; professional research and professional meetings; educational activities; religious activities; public performances, clinics, workshops, athletic and other competitions, and exhibitions; support for the Cuban people; humanitarian projects; activities of private foundations or research or educational institutes; exportation, importation, or transmission of information or informational materials; and certain authorized export transactions. |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jan 27, 2019 22:30:47 GMT -5
Yep.
In a civil action, the burden of proof is on you, not the government.
Additionally, whether you win or lose the civil case, you can ALSO be prosecuted in criminal court.
The defense costs alone would bankrupt most of us, even if you win both cases.
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Post by daveinlax on Jan 27, 2019 22:56:40 GMT -5
I've enjoyed cigars in a few la Casa's in Canada and Mexico but the most beautiful sight was plume covered cigars in the humidor of the Windsor Ontario la Casa. I've never seen anything like it.  |
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