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Post by trailboss on Feb 14, 2019 15:31:16 GMT -5
I cannot disagree with anything you said, Justin.... an excerpt that really hit a note with me.
As our pipe club has grown here in Arizona, these principles are in play and has only benefitted the group.... nothing has been said about where to go, and where not to go in discussions, face to face conversations self regulate everyone, and although I can only speak for myself when I say I enjoy the meetups immensely, and it seems is the case for the others.
We all do well to heed the instruction offered, I have been a member of a couple of other forums he was on, and the words spoken are borne of experience.
Throw me into that Briar patch!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 16:06:39 GMT -5
No offence at all to those who fit that description - my objection is to holding those characteristics as the "normal" standard by which to judge all others. Chico, I was joking about being offended and appreciate what you offer to this forum.I hope you will post more. What I believe is occurring, in your case at the patch, has less to do with not being part of a club defined by white, male, gun ownership, country music etc. but life philosophies. These core values often determine political persuasions and are communicated in different ways without mentioning party or politics directly. From what I can gather many here are truly independent, libertarian, conservatives with libertarian leanings and conservative There are also those who are liberal, though they appear to be in the minority, and much fewer if any leaning far left. As you have expressed a different philosophy than the general trend, from time to time, a little friction arises. But let's say you were a classic libertarian (not to be confused with Chomsky's libertarianism and other like versions), regardless of your gender, race, gun ownership, or you music preferences, I believe a portion of the problematic encounters would disappear. For example, I know one member here who is conservative theologically and would be viewed, at the very least, as leaning right of middle in his own country. He is also half Brazilian though culturally Irish. My friend is also one of the most beloved members of this forum. He is male, not a gun guy, prefers music other than Ametucan country music, hardly macho and certainly has no axe to grind. If he is perceived so well, it probably has to do with respect to his character and life philosophy than any other outlier one might mention. Chico I do not agree with any personal attacks or insults given or taken. My point is simply on this forum the paradigm you constructed, while mentioning one solid example. folks favoring conservatism on some level, misses the mark in applying too much weight to the other factors. As a result it appears to portray a judgement though I honestly believe you might not be consciously aware of it nor mean harm by it. PS Among all races, regardless of the outliers and the like, there are those who lean more conservative or liberal etc. In each camp you will find similar conversations, some more polite and nuanced than others, when something is perceived as less traditional to that perspective or out of the norm to the given narrative. It typically, on average, gets worse the further the idea is from one's professed narrative. Points taken, and correct I meant no judgment in that characterization as I said in my reply to your post before. I really don't care what other members' political, social, or religious beliefs are. That's not what I come here for. But sometimes I do see sly and even blatant comments that go against the rules of the forum on racism, sexism etc. To me that's not a liberal vs. conservative problem, it's simply the tolerance required for living in a diverse society and participating on a diverse forum. Sure, argue as much as you want about the merits and demerits of hip hop (or aromatics or movies or whatever). Those kinds of things keep the place lively. But when you start criticizing people who like hip hop and who make the music, with references to their clothes, their skin color, and InfoWars conspiracy theories, I think it crosses a line. |
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Post by kirk13 on Feb 14, 2019 16:10:31 GMT -5
I just wish people could try more to stick to the title /topic to a specific thread. One second you're reading about a special tobacco and then the next it all becomes about someones pet orangutan.. I would love more posts about pet orangutans! Ook? Apolgies to those who've not read Terry Pratchett |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 16:15:33 GMT -5
I would love more posts about pet orangutans! Ook? Apolgies to those who've not read Terry Pratchett Even better - orangutans who have pets of their own: |
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Post by joeman on Feb 14, 2019 16:19:46 GMT -5
The contributions to this thread demonstrate why so many have migrated to the Patch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 16:46:53 GMT -5
So.....here’s Clyde.......a good laugh 👍
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 14, 2019 17:02:03 GMT -5
So.....here’s Clyde.......a good laugh 👍 I think I suffer from Pithecophobia. I've always found primates utterly repulsive. |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Feb 14, 2019 17:11:35 GMT -5
Reminds me of a neighbor...I think I would prefer Clyde.
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Post by kirk13 on Feb 14, 2019 17:28:51 GMT -5
Ook? Apolgies to those who've not read Terry Pratchett Even better - orangutans who have pets of their own: Ook! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 17:36:09 GMT -5
So.....here’s Clyde.......a good laugh 👍 I think I suffer from Pithecophobia. I've always found primates utterly repulsive. That might be the reason he considers you number “ one “.......lol |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 18:36:08 GMT -5
So.....here’s Clyde.......a good laugh 👍 I think I suffer from Pithecophobia. I've always found primates utterly repulsive. Including humans?  |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 14, 2019 18:55:38 GMT -5
I think I suffer from Pithecophobia. I've always found primates utterly repulsive. Including humans? Well, the phobia itself is really based on being made uncomfortable by human traits in monkeys and apes. I will, however admit, though I am not a complete misanthrope, I do not see humans as especially precious in the greater picture.  |
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Post by morallynomadic on Feb 15, 2019 21:35:42 GMT -5
Let's be clear on a few things boys. First, the rules are clear about politics and religion. Those are hot button issues, and do not belong in this forum anymore than I like them at the dinner table with my politically diverse family. Further, with the lack of face to face conversation, and the ability to read body language, there is even more reason those topics don't belong here. Hell, sometimes that doesn't even help. There are plenty of forums on the web that will let you get on your soapbox about the current political dramas. Find one, get your frustrations out, and then come back here among your pipe smoking brethren. Second, when it comes to threads going off topic, I'm OK with that, always have been. As someone said, threads are a conversation. They are fluid and will go in and out like the tide, as does most conversation. Sometimes the seas will be rough, and some waves will crash on our damn head, but we pick ourselves up and jump back into the water. I don't want a sterilized forum with everyone conforming to some standard. We are all individuals, we all have our opinions, and to be honest, we are all entitled to share those opinions... with some limitations. I have always encouraged people to share their lives. Tell stories. Share jokes. Have fun. This is what community is all about. If that bothers some people... I'm sorry. I will not have a forum that is full of little tin soldiers marching in line, and in step, doing the same damn thing. That's boring. That being said, I do ask that every one of you acts like an adult, and a decent human being. We can all have opinions without riding someone else for theirs. That's petty and childish. If someone says something that you don't like, either respond with a courteous, logical comment, or MOVE ON AND KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. There is no award for getting the last word in here, and certainly not one for attacking other individuals. If this forum crumbles into anarchy, know that it's not the fault of the people running it, or the moderators... it's each of you that contributes on a daily basis. You are the lifeblood of this forum, but also the people directly responsible for how this place looks to each other, and to outsiders and newcomers. We all have a responsibility here, so just remember that the next time you hit the "Reply" button. Off topic ... but every time I read one of your posts in this thread, it plays in my mind as a song and makes me want to dance.  |
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Post by Lady Margaret on Feb 21, 2019 22:16:49 GMT -5
I must have missed something.
Just lucky, I guess.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 21, 2019 23:13:45 GMT -5
I must have missed something.
Just lucky, I guess.
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Post by monbla256 on Feb 22, 2019 9:59:14 GMT -5
So.....here’s Clyde.......a good laugh 👍 I think I suffer from Pithecophobia. I've always found primates utterly repulsive.  |
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 22, 2019 12:14:17 GMT -5
Just a note to all. I come here to the Patch to get away from religious, political and confrontational discussion. I feel here we are among a brotherhood and sisterhood. We live above the fray of normal life. It reinvigorates me so I may go back into the world and take on the challenges that come.
Reminds me of a story from the Revolutionary War. At that time many were members of the Freemasons. On both sides. They would often collect together and meet in friendship and brotherhood, and yes, share a smoke, before returning to their respective sides and prepare for the upcoming fray. It demonstrates that there is a level of dignity to the human race that transcends politics and religion. Something we can all take pride in.
Thanks to all for your friendship.
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Post by orley on Feb 22, 2019 13:03:44 GMT -5
Well said Perry, well said!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 14:43:16 GMT -5
Just a note to all. I come here to the Patch to get away from religious, political and confrontational discussion. I feel here we are among a brotherhood and sisterhood. We live above the fray of normal life. It reinvigorates me so I may go back into the world and take on the challenges that come. Reminds me of a story from the Revolutionary War. At that time many were members of the Freemasons. On both sides. They would often collect together and meet in friendship and brotherhood, and yes, share a smoke, before returning to their respective sides and prepare for the upcoming fray. It demonstrates that there is a level of dignity to the human race that transcends politics and religion. Something we can all take pride in. Thanks to all for your friendship. Well said. Though there is also an inherent insanity involved in meeting in friendship and brotherhood - only as a temporary break from killing each other. Humans  . |
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Post by jackdiamond on Feb 22, 2019 20:10:57 GMT -5
Just a note to all. I come here to the Patch to get away from religious, political and confrontational discussion. I feel here we are among a brotherhood and sisterhood. We live above the fray of normal life. It reinvigorates me so I may go back into the world and take on the challenges that come. Reminds me of a story from the Revolutionary War. At that time many were members of the Freemasons. On both sides. They would often collect together and meet in friendship and brotherhood, and yes, share a smoke, before returning to their respective sides and prepare for the upcoming fray. It demonstrates that there is a level of dignity to the human race that transcends politics and religion. Something we can all take pride in. Thanks to all for your friendship. Well said. Though there is also an inherent insanity involved in meeting in friendship and brotherhood - only as a temporary break from killing each other. Humans . You've heard the story about Christmas 1917 in WWI, right? Fascinating. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 22, 2019 20:16:15 GMT -5
So why isn't THIS thread locked already?? 😨
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 20:40:59 GMT -5
So why isn't THIS thread locked already?? 😨 Just be glad I'm not a mod.  |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 22, 2019 20:46:47 GMT -5
So why isn't THIS thread locked already?? 😨 Just be glad I'm not a mod. I am! 😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 20:50:02 GMT -5
Just be glad I'm not a mod. I am! 😁 I would be the Bizarro World Woody. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 22, 2019 20:55:22 GMT -5
I would be the Bizarro World Woody. Wouldn't that mean that you would encourage misbehavior, or else be banned? |
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