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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 28, 2019 20:38:45 GMT -5
.). I found the Klipschorns to be better sounding than the 901s. [/quote] No F'n Shite! 😁😎🤠 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 20:45:17 GMT -5
Bose are a love hate speaker to me the 901 and 301 are the best models. I think they can keep there cubes red line or not. And just about everybody has a Bose like speaker firing at all angles. Klipsh horns need the right room as they are picky little suckers. Lots of folks love Advent. None of these are considered the best but they sound good and they are affordable and beat the crap out of any everything is in the box sets. While desktop speakers are not audiophile nothing is worse than a crappy pair of wally world computer speakers. I am very happy with my little Klipsh Grove PM20's they are perfect for my little 4sq ft environment. Neil Youngs Pono player died in late 2017 FLAC/WAV/DSD via Windows X most good desktop motherboards can do better than that these days with better bit rates. Even the great Alan Parsons says analog is dead but what does he know.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 28, 2019 21:16:18 GMT -5
Klipschorns are 50 inches tall, 40 inches wide, and weigh 240 lbs each not picky at all as long as they are in the corners of a large room.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 21:28:46 GMT -5
I spent a great day at my friend's house that has a total of 146 pieces of gear in his house. His main system comprises of an Oppo Blu-ray multi-channel disc player feeding into a Marantz home theater processor then branching off into four different Sunfire signature amps. His main speakers are Carver amazing Platinum for the front speakers the rears are 4 ft tall Polk Towers and he has 4- 15 inch Stereo Integrity subwoofers mounted in sonotube enclosures tuned to 14 Hertz. So today I finally got to hear the group "Chase" in quadraphonic and I've owned the quad records for 50 years, but I never heard them in actual quadraphonic. It was awesome. Having that much subwoofage in a room cannot be explained until you can feel it.
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Post by headrott on Mar 1, 2019 3:15:31 GMT -5
I spent a great day at my friend's house that has a total of 146 pieces of gear in his house. His main system comprises of an Oppo Blu-ray multi-channel disc player feeding into a Marantz home theater processor then branching off into four different Sunfire signature amps. His main speakers are Carver amazing Platinum for the front speakers the rears are 4 ft tall Polk Towers and he has 4- 15 inch Stereo Integrity subwoofers mounted in sonotube enclosures tuned to 14 Hertz. So today I finally got to hear the group "Chase" in quadraphonic and I've owned the quad records for 50 years, but I never heard them in actual quadraphonic. It was awesome. Having that much subwoofage in a room cannot be explained until you can feel it. About 20 years ago my older brother and I set up a quadraphonic setup using the Teac A-2340 4 track deck (if I remember correctly) and two tube amps I owned along with 4 Polk Monitor 10 speakers. We listened to The Moody Blues Days Of Future Passed in quadraphonic. Good Lord this sounded sublime! The best time I ever heard that album. The SACD sounds really good though. Also, I saw Pink Floyd in 1994 at the Oakland Coliseum and they had a quadraphonic setup. During One of These Days the middle part just before "One of these days, I'm going to cut you into little pieces." The bass part in quadraphonic was absolutely outstanding! Quadraphonic is a fantastic format for music. IMO, better than 5.1. |
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Post by qmechanics on Mar 1, 2019 10:24:31 GMT -5
Klipschorns are 50 inches tall, 40 inches wide, and weigh 240 lbs each not picky at all as long as they are in the corners of a large room. Yes nice corners, proper distance between to room space etc. are all factors to optimize Klipschorns, though careful placement in the corners is primary to their design (Taking into account how far they are placed from the walls.). I enjoy me some horn!! I am glad you agree that Klipschorns sound better than 901s.😁 If you thought they were the same or 901s were better sounding, I would have to ask is there bat shite in your ears?😁 |
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Post by qmechanics on Mar 1, 2019 10:45:39 GMT -5
I spent a great day at my friend's house that has a total of 146 pieces of gear in his house. His main system comprises of an Oppo Blu-ray multi-channel disc player feeding into a Marantz home theater processor then branching off into four different Sunfire signature amps. His main speakers are Carver amazing Platinum for the front speakers the rears are 4 ft tall Polk Towers and he has 4- 15 inch Stereo Integrity subwoofers mounted in sonotube enclosures tuned to 14 Hertz. So today I finally got to hear the group "Chase" in quadraphonic and I've owned the quad records for 50 years, but I never heard them in actual quadraphonic. It was awesome. Having that much subwoofage in a room cannot be explained until you can feel it. About 20 years ago my older brother and I set up a quadraphonic setup using the Teac A-2340 4 track deck (if I remember correctly) and two tube amps I owned along with 4 Polk Monitor 10 speakers. We listened to The Moody Blues Days Of Future Passed in quadraphonic. Good Lord this sounded sublime! The best time I ever heard that album. The SACD sounds really good though. Also, I saw Pink Floyd in 1994 at the Oakland Coliseum and they had a quadraphonic setup. During One of These Days the middle part just before "One of these days, I'm going to cut you into little pieces." The bass part in quadraphonic was absolutely outstanding! Quadraphonic is a fantastic format for music. IMO, better than 5.1. Though I had a friend who owned an old 8 track that was capable of reproducing quadraphonic recordings, I never got the chance to hear it. Quadraphonic sound has been compared to 4.0 surround sound. Yet given the uniqueness of quadraphonic recordings, I believe that is more of a surface comparison. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 1, 2019 11:11:49 GMT -5
Klipschorns are 50 inches tall, 40 inches wide, and weigh 240 lbs each not picky at all as long as they are in the corners of a large room. Yes nice corners, proper distance between to room space etc. are all factors to optimize Klipschorns, though careful placement in the corners is primary to their design (Taking into account how far they are placed from the walls.). I enjoy me some horn!! I am glad you agree that Klipschorns sound better than 901s.😁 If you thought they were the same or 901s were better sounding, I would have to ask is there bat shite in your ears?😁 The way he is using them at the moment would blow your mind. One is in a corner and the other is just against the wall. He is using them as rear speakers in his surround sound HT system. They still shame the newer, small Klipsch speakers front and center. His receiver adjustments are maxed out to keep them from overwhelming the mains. he has had them for 40 years and as far as I know he has only had them setup properly for 2 of those years. I had the LaScalas for 23 years and I bought a home that was laid out perfectly for them. This was in 1977. When we moved I sold them for exactly what I bought them for new. The neighbors were relieved. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 1, 2019 11:14:55 GMT -5
Electronics, tubes, wires, etc. effects pale compared to the difference in the transducers that convert the electric impulses in physical vibrations of the air. Even the construction of the walls has more effect than any DAC.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 11:30:37 GMT -5
Electronics, tubes, wires, etc. effects pale compared to the difference in the transducers that convert the electric impulses in physical vibrations of the air. Even the construction of the walls has more effect than any DAC. Exactly, as you can take a million dollars worth of stereo components and hook them up to a pair of Sound Design Kmart speakers and it's still going to sound like a $20.00 pair of speakers. I always advise people to spend 80% of their budget on speakers and to buy used speakers so that they can get the most ba g for their buck. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 11:37:39 GMT -5
About 20 years ago my older brother and I set up a quadraphonic setup using the Teac A-2340 4 track deck (if I remember correctly) and two tube amps I owned along with 4 Polk Monitor 10 speakers. We listened to The Moody Blues Days Of Future Passed in quadraphonic. Good Lord this sounded sublime! The best time I ever heard that album. The SACD sounds really good though. Also, I saw Pink Floyd in 1994 at the Oakland Coliseum and they had a quadraphonic setup. During One of These Days the middle part just before "One of these days, I'm going to cut you into little pieces." The bass part in quadraphonic was absolutely outstanding! Quadraphonic is a fantastic format for music. IMO, better than 5.1. Though I had a friend who owned an old 8 track that was capable of reproducing quadraphonic recordings, I never go the chance to hear it in action. Quadraphonic sound has been compared to 4.0 Surround Sound. Yet given the uniqueness of quadraphonic recordings, I believe that is more of a surface comparison. They have taken quite a few 70's quadraphonic recordings and released them on multi-channel SACD or DVD-A formats. Several players like the Oppo and Sony ES series can play them. They are usually done in the 5.1 channel format but the universal players can detect what channels the recording is in. The Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon is still on of the best, especially having all those grandfather clocks going off all around you from 4 speakers. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 1, 2019 11:43:52 GMT -5
I subscribed to Stereophile magazine for years, not for the information as much as the unintentional humor. The arguments about the difference in 99.999% oxygen free copper vs silver vs platinum vs electrum vs Romex were entertaining as heck. Even $1k AC power cables were debated. $165k speakers, $20k turntables, $45k pre-amps. And mostly they couldn't pick out the Adcom in 3 different setups.
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Post by qmechanics on Mar 1, 2019 12:10:30 GMT -5
Electronics, tubes, wires, etc. effects pale compared to the difference in the transducers that convert the electric impulses in physical vibrations of the air. Even the construction of the walls has more effect than any DAC. Exactly, as you can take a million dollars worth of stereo components and hook them up to a pair of Sound Design Kmart speakers and it's still going to sound like a $20.00 pair of speakers. I always advise people to spend 80% of their budget on speakers and to buy used speakers so that they can get the most ba g for their buck. As to budget, I am more flexible when talking to people, recommending taking a cost/benefit analysis when reviewing speakers (or other components) while warning some obsessed folks about the path of diminishing or fantasy returns😁. However, in principle, we all agree speaker's come first. Do not skimp on the quality, as speakers are the most critical element to your sound. Ideally the system should always start with a set of speakers in mind. Building the system from there the amplifier, preamplifiers and peripherals are chosen. The amplifier(s) followed by the preamplifier have the most important ties to the speaker. So if you do not properly support the speakers' needs you are also cheating yourself. |
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Post by qmechanics on Mar 1, 2019 12:25:44 GMT -5
Yes nice corners, proper distance between to room space etc. are all factors to optimize Klipschorns, though careful placement in the corners is primary to their design (Taking into account how far they are placed from the walls.). I enjoy me some horn!! I am glad you agree that Klipschorns sound better than 901s.😁 If you thought they were the same or 901s were better sounding, I would have to ask is there bat shite in your ears?😁 The way he is using them at the moment would blow your mind. One is in a corner and the other is just against the wall. He is using them as rear speakers in his surround sound HT system. They still shame the newer, small Klipsch speakers front and center. His receiver adjustments are maxed out to keep them from overwhelming the mains. he has had them for 40 years and as far as I know he has only had them setup properly for 2 of those years. I had the LaScalas for 23 years and I bought a home that was laid out perfectly for them. This was in 1977. When we moved I sold them for exactly what I bought them for new. The neighbors were relieved. Sad tale Ron,😥 I really do not know how folks can be so blissfully unaware for that many years. I mean one cannot play the ignorance card as you, a knowledgeable audio guy, are there helping him. Does he recognize the fact that the Klipschorns sound better than his current mains? Is he tone-deaf? Just a strange eccentric, I suppose. PS Is he aware that there are folks who restore Klipschorns to a like new condition? Reportedly, they turn out better than when they were new(Not surprising given how speaker, cross over etc. technologies have improved through the years.). Does he want to sell them?😀 I am weeping Ron...I am weeping...😁 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 1, 2019 12:54:44 GMT -5
The way he is using them at the moment would blow your mind. One is in a corner and the other is just against the wall. He is using them as rear speakers in his surround sound HT system. They still shame the newer, small Klipsch speakers front and center. His receiver adjustments are maxed out to keep them from overwhelming the mains. he has had them for 40 years and as far as I know he has only had them setup properly for 2 of those years. I had the LaScalas for 23 years and I bought a home that was laid out perfectly for them. This was in 1977. When we moved I sold them for exactly what I bought them for new. The neighbors were relieved. Sad tale Ron,😥 I really do not know how folks can be so blissfully unaware for that many years. I mean one cannot play the ignorance card as you, a knowledgeable audio guy, are there helping him. Does he recognize the fact that the Klipschorns sound better than his current mains? Is he tone-deaf? Just a strange eccentric, I suppose. PS Is he aware that there are folks who restore Klipschorns to a like new condition? Reportedly, they turn out better than when they were new. (Not surprising given how speaker, cross over etc. technologies have improved through the years.)? Does he want to sell them?😀 I am weeping Ron...I am weeping...😁 He knows, but he doesn't worry about stuff that he can't do anything about. I have made suggestions but he just isn't motivated. He lives by himself in a 3600 Sq ft home he bought when he married a woman with 3 kids. The kids are all out of college and his wife left a couple of years ago. His mom lives 3 blocks away and she is 94. He wants to downsize but feels like he's in limbo at this time. He's 69 and just doesn't have the energy. The room could be arranged to work with a little work. He doesn't want to sell them. They are worth more than he paid, but he won't turn loose. Same thing with his Maharaja water ski and other things from a happier time. |
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Post by flyinmanatee on Mar 1, 2019 22:24:11 GMT -5
Just entry level like NAD. I still have a Mission CD player that weighs about 500lbs. Let go of my Nakamich Dragon and all my crispy Dead tapes when CD burners came along. Only to give those away and put everything on hard drives. Four more years to retirement and thinkin' I'll start all over again with vinyl. Anyone got a Thorens they like to unload?
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 2, 2019 0:10:07 GMT -5
My first exposure to a quadrophonic system was at a Who concert at the Cow Palace in SF back in the early 1970s. It was the "Quadrophenia" album tour, the one where Keith Moon collapsed twice, and they pulled a kid out of the audience to play drums until Moon could be revived. The sound was LOUD but clear. My ears rang for days.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 16:26:52 GMT -5
As posted, my current set up is just leftovers. I have spent thousands in the past chasing the Holy Grail, but I probably never enjoyed music as much as my first decent HiFi system, but that's as much memories of youth as equipment.
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 2, 2019 16:35:36 GMT -5
As posted, my current set up is just leftovers. I have spent thousands in the past chasing the Holy Grail, but I probably never enjoyed music as much as my first decent HiFi system, but that's as much memories of youth as equipment. ...I kind of miss dicking around with my stereo setup... |
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 2, 2019 18:34:17 GMT -5
As posted, my current set up is just leftovers. I have spent thousands in the past chasing the Holy Grail, but I probably never enjoyed music as much as my first decent HiFi system, but that's as much memories of youth as equipment. My first system was a "suitcase" record player that I wired into a Sears Silverstone 75 watt tube amp with the 2 15" guitar speakers. I don't think that I have ever enjoyed music as much as when I was 14. |
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Post by Mac on Mar 2, 2019 19:15:49 GMT -5
As posted, my current set up is just leftovers. I have spent thousands in the past chasing the Holy Grail, but I probably never enjoyed music as much as my first decent HiFi system, but that's as much memories of youth as equipment. My first system was a "suitcase" record player that I wired into a Sears Silverstone 75 watt tube amp with the 2 15" guitar speakers. I don't think that I have ever enjoyed music as much as when I was 14. Made me think! Now I recall I built a speaker enclosure, out of heavy plywood, weighed 30 pounds before the speaker. The speaker wasn't more than 15", if that, but would break a toe if dropped. Loved a short wave radio my grandfather had. You could bake a cake on the top of it after a half hour. Splicing tape with just a razor blade and Scotch tape. Messing with tape speeds and a bit of over dubbing. So: Thanks for the memory jog! |
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 2, 2019 20:06:05 GMT -5
My first system was a "suitcase" record player that I wired into a Sears Silverstone 75 watt tube amp with the 2 15" guitar speakers. I don't think that I have ever enjoyed music as much as when I was 14. Made me think! Now I recall I built a speaker enclosure, out of heavy plywood, weighed 30 pounds before the speaker. The speaker wasn't more than 15", if that, but would break a toe if dropped. Loved a short wave radio my grandfather had. You could bake a cake on the top of it after a half hour. Splicing tape with just a razor blade and Scotch tape. Messing with tape speeds and a bit of over dubbing. So: Thanks for the memory jog! In spite of current fashion, the ability of a speaker to transduce the electric signal into moving air is directly related to size and weight. My electrostatic speakers weighed 60 lbs each and my Klipsch weighed 105lbs each. A 15" speaker's quality of reproduction is directly related to the mass of the magnet and enclosure. The cone moving the mass of air is also going to move the enclosure. The heavier the enclosure will move less, making it move the air more efficiently. Unfortunately, big speakers are expensive to ship, move, and harder to arrange around the wife's things like furniture. The old Golden Ears would have one chair in the sweet spot and nothing else in the room but the speakers. I have seen pictures where the amps etc. were in the next room. A concrete block could tighten the old ARs immensely. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 21:48:37 GMT -5
Pictures of gear are always welcome too.
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 3, 2019 7:35:36 GMT -5
Pictures of gear are always welcome too. ...I'd gladly oblige, but all of my gear is lost in the mists of time... |
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Post by Mac on Mar 3, 2019 10:04:21 GMT -5
Can't show stacks of vinyl, nor boxes of tapes or CDs; the equivalent of several hundred pounds of records resides in my laptop. Slightly amazing when you stop and think on it. The hardware I have is uninteresting.
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Post by headrott on Mar 4, 2019 8:42:06 GMT -5
If I get off my lazy a$$, I may be able to take and post some pictures. I just received some 1950 and 1951 Tung-Sol angles square long black plate 12AX7 tubes to put into my DAC (replacing the RCA black plate 5751 tubes currently in there. Can't wait to try these!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 22:53:38 GMT -5
I still haven't set up the Imgur site with all my photos from PhotoSuckIt.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 23:11:20 GMT -5
I still miss and was sad to see the demise of Stereo Review and High Fidelity/Musical America magazines.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 23:19:24 GMT -5
I still miss and was sad to see the demise of Stereo Review and High Fidelity/Musical America magazines. The Absolute Sound is my favorite audio magazine |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 4, 2019 23:26:33 GMT -5
Whether you like his music or not, Neil Young is doing/paying for some interesting research into digital-audiophile quality music. Google it, or whatever browser you use. I've listened to a lot of it, and I think he's on to something. Depends on your own equipment of course. I remember he was trying to push that new format of a kind of HDMP3, but the player he was marketing fell through. As far as I know.. But I am sure it will be back. We're ready for a new digital format. |
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