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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 16, 2019 5:39:55 GMT -5
So I bought some glass jars fro Ikea the other day to jar some of my tobaccos that were just sitting in pouches in my garage office (where all my tobaccos are).
They looked like they would hold about 50g, but man alive I didn't realise it would be so precise. 50g JUST fits, with a good bit of compaction.
My question is, is that ok? Does there need to be a little air around the tobacco?
Before you answer, I'm not cellaring for any aerobic or anaerobic ageing. I'm just trying to keep the tobacco in a jar rather than a pouch. I figure it's better in a jar than in a pouch. I just want to make sure that I'm not going to do any damage by having the tobacco quite compacted in the jar.
Any response would be gratefully appreciated.
Many thanks in advance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 5:52:07 GMT -5
Paddy, from years of experience I’ve learned not to press the tobacco to firm when jarring. Always fill to the top, press lightly and if needed add a bit more. I leave a bit of air for natural fermentation =====well aged tobacco’s.........JMHO
Have fun and enjoy the weekend 👍
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If your not worried about long term aging you’ll be fine.
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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 16, 2019 6:36:18 GMT -5
Paddy, from years of experience I’ve learned not to press the tobacco to firm when jarring. Always fill to the top, press lightly and if needed add a bit more. I leave a bit of air for natural fermentation =====well aged tobacco’s.........JMHO Have fun and enjoy the weekend 👍 PS
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Post by kbareit on Mar 16, 2019 7:01:16 GMT -5
Guess I'm going to have to rethink my process. I pack my bulks pretty tight in the jars. Oh well, just have to buy more jars.
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Post by Darin on Mar 16, 2019 7:03:05 GMT -5
Even with a pretty firm pack, there will be air present. Squish it on in there!  |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Mar 16, 2019 7:10:37 GMT -5
So I bought some glass jars fro Ikea the other day to jar some of my tobaccos that were just sitting in pouches in my garage office (where all my tobaccos are). They looked like they would hold about 50g, but man alive I didn't realise it would be so precise. 50g JUST fits, with a good bit of compaction. My question is, is that ok? Does there need to be a little air around the tobacco? Before you answer, I'm not cellaring for any aerobic or anaerobic ageing. I'm just trying to keep the tobacco in a jar rather than a pouch. I figure it's better in a jar than in a pouch. I just want to make sure that I'm not going to do any damage by having the tobacco quite compacted in the jar. Any response would be gratefully appreciated. Many thanks in advance. I pack mine pretty firm. A 1/2 pint jar holds 2oz. packed. |
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Post by william on Mar 16, 2019 7:18:38 GMT -5
Paddy--that's what I do with any tin I open. My objective is to avoid dehydration, while still maintaining easy access to the tobacco. I have about 10 of those small jars for open tins of flakes, and 5 for ribbon/coarse cut/broken flake English blends I enjoy on a regular basis. Some of these have had tobacco in them for over a year, and it is all as fresh as the day I opened the tin. For long-term storage I use the next size up (I think it is a pint) and pack it full. So I agree with you--tobacco is safer in a jar (even if you open it on a regular basis) than in a pouch or ziplock bag. The small jars I store tobacco in for regular smokes are on the left in the photo here. I think living in a humid environment is to our advantage here (both of us) as far as moisture is concerned.  And I forgot to wish you a happy St. Patrick's Day. So I should say “Lá fhéile Pádraig sona dhuit!” |
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Post by McWiggins on Mar 16, 2019 7:19:21 GMT -5
I look at how many tins come from the manufacturer, vacuum sealed and packed. People buy tins in this manor and put them away as is for aging so I cannot see why doing the same is a bad thing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 8:08:29 GMT -5
I look at how many tins come from the manufacturer, vacuum sealed and packed. People buy tins in this manor and put them away as is for aging so I cannot see why doing the same is a bad thing. I leave all my factory tins, both square and round age right in the tin. From time to time I check the seals to make sure they have not been compromised. A few months ago I opened a well aged tin of Solani ABF and the flakes were crispy dry. When I opened the tin I noticed it was not air tight. If you can open a square tin with your finger without popping open with a tool or coin, the seal was broken. I was able to slowly rehydrate and enjoy. Some pipe smokers jar all their square tinned tobacco’s. Right now I don’t find it necessary. Mold in some C&D round tin blends is a complete other issue!!! I no longer purchase any C&D tinned tobacco’s. I got tired of opening a few blends and finding mold, C&D made good on all that were covered with mold. No mold issues with bulk blends from C&D👍 |
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Post by daveinlax on Mar 16, 2019 9:06:02 GMT -5
I pack it tight. I need stick to loosen up the tobacco on the bottom, I'm smoking tobacco I jarred in 2009 and it's perfect.  |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Mar 16, 2019 9:11:15 GMT -5
I have a wide range. Some are crammed in there, others are light and fluffy.
How is it going to do? Not sure, I'll report back in about 3-5 years when I finally get around to smoking them.
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Post by jackdiamond on Mar 16, 2019 9:19:30 GMT -5
I've always compacted them down tight. It's never seemed to have any adverse effects.
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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 16, 2019 9:32:49 GMT -5
Thanks for all your advice. I think I'll be grand. They aren't proper Mason jars; they're clipped ones. They'll do the job for me.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Mar 16, 2019 9:47:49 GMT -5
Even with a pretty firm pack, there will be air present. Squish it on in there! That has been my thinking (what little I have left)...when I packed my ceramic jars with 5100 and other bulk...I jammed it in there pretty tight, but as Ted has mentioned...and others, too, there is always air in there. |
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Post by trailboss on Mar 16, 2019 10:47:21 GMT -5
I look at how many tins come from the manufacturer, vacuum sealed and packed. People buy tins in this manor and put them away as is for aging so I cannot see why doing the same is a bad thing. I leave all my factory tins, both square and round age right in the tin. From time to time I check the seals to make sure they have not been compromised. A few months ago I opened a well aged tin of Solani ABF and the flakes were crispy dry. When I opened the tin I noticed it was not air tight. If you can open a square tin with your finger without popping open with a tool or coin, the seal was broken. I was able to slowly rehydrate and enjoy. Some pipe smokers jar all their square tinned tobacco’s. Right now I don’t find it necessary. Mold in some C&D round tin blends is a complete other issue!!! I no longer purchase any C&D tinned tobacco’s. I got tired of opening a few blends and finding mold, C&D made good on all that were covered with mold. No mold issues with bulk blends from C&D👍 I wish that square tinned tobacco producers would vacuum seal individually the tins for the reason Ted mentioned. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 11:25:57 GMT -5
Pack it in there till the glass is ready to crack.
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Post by slowroll on Mar 16, 2019 12:09:26 GMT -5
I pack 'em pretty tight myself. Too inefficient to do otherwise.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 16, 2019 13:09:15 GMT -5
Guess I'm going to have to rethink my process. I pack my bulks pretty tight in the jars. Oh well, just have to buy more jars. Me too..
Hell, half my cellar is vacuum sealed. Can't really get less air than that. haha
I was actually hoping it would give my latakia blends a little more shelf life.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 13:37:56 GMT -5
Every pipe smoker has their own preference that works well for them. We still can learn something new from each other 👍
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 14:21:00 GMT -5
Tobacco comes packed tight in the tin and I do the same when I jar them.
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Post by sperrytops on Mar 16, 2019 14:36:03 GMT -5
Tobacco comes packed tight in the tin and I do the same when I jar them. The same with me. Small tins I leave in the tin till I use, but if it's 8 oz tin or a 1 lb bag (like HH flakes), i transfer immediately. You can't press flakes, but the blends I put some pressure on so I can get 8 oz in a large mason jar. There's still a lot of air in there, and I've found the aging process still works well. |
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Post by briarbuck on Mar 16, 2019 15:03:14 GMT -5
I've asked this before, but I thought that aging happened in an anaerobic environment? If that is the case, then less air means the aerobic process will start before a jar filled with air.
Or am I the one full of HOT air?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 15:59:01 GMT -5
I pack it tight. I need stick to loosen up the tobacco on the bottom, I'm smoking tobacco I jarred in 2009 and it's perfect. +1 |
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Post by Baboo on Mar 16, 2019 16:19:59 GMT -5
I cram as much tobacco into a jar as possible, and that means that I often pack VERY TIGHT. Not only does aging take place, but the transfer of oil migrates around and smooths the overall flavor profile of the blend. However, with that said, there are blends that I'd prefer the separation of different leaf flavors remain separate for a more diverse, complex smoke.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 16:46:54 GMT -5
I must add, the only tobacco I pack firmly in jars are shag cut. On other cuts I’ve noticed more sugar crystals formed in a few years of aging when I press the tobacco in a jar with a medium press. Of course if your choice is a firm pack on all tobacco’s there will still be air in the jar.....it’s not vacuum sealed.
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Post by jitterbugdude on Mar 16, 2019 16:59:19 GMT -5
I've asked this before, but I thought that aging happened in an anaerobic environment? If that is the case, then less air means the aerobic process will start before a jar filled with air. Or am I the one full of HOT air? No one really knows how tobacco ages. Sure, plenty of so-called experts have said it is aerobic or anaerobic but till someone pays the money to study how tinned tobacco ages its all just conjecture. When I store tobacco that I plan to age for a very long time I will either throw in an O2 absorber or flush the jar with Nitrogen. I do not know how tobacco actually ages but I know O2 is probably involved so if I want a tobacco to taste like the day I stored it I remove as much O2 as possible... think aros and Latakia Even vacuum packed tins are only partially vacuumed. |
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Post by kbareit on Mar 16, 2019 18:36:36 GMT -5
I've asked this before, but I thought that aging happened in an anaerobic environment? If that is the case, then less air means the aerobic process will start before a jar filled with air. Or am I the one full of HOT air? No one really knows how tobacco ages. Sure, plenty of so-called experts have said it is aerobic or anaerobic but till someone pays the money to study how tinned tobacco ages its all just conjecture. When I store tobacco that I plan to age for a very long time I will either throw in an O2 absorber or flush the jar with Nitrogen. I do not know how tobacco actually ages but I know O2 is probably involved so if I want a tobacco to taste like the day I stored it I remove as much O2 as possible... think aros and Latakia Even vacuum packed tins are only partially vacuumed. I was wondering if anyone used a nitrogen purge to store tobacco. I always have some on hand and wondered if it would help preserve it. |
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Mar 16, 2019 19:22:18 GMT -5
Ive found that packing too tight actually causes it to just dry out faster.
I would think it would be the opposite. Nope.
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Post by Darin on Mar 16, 2019 19:36:10 GMT -5
Ive found that packing too tight actually causes it to just dry out faster. I would think it would be the opposite. Nope.
That could only happen if you packed it down tight but left a bunch of head space at the top of the jar … or a bad lid.
I've got jars from 2010 that are still in great shape and tightly packed.
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Mar 16, 2019 19:36:56 GMT -5
Ive found that packing too tight actually causes it to just dry out faster. I would think it would be the opposite. Nope.
That could only happen if you packed it down tight but left a bunch of head space at the top of the jar … or a bad lid.
I've got jars from 2010 that are still in great shape and tightly packed.
Brand new ball jars. Maybe I'm just old and weak and cant screw it on tight enough  |
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