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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 13:37:08 GMT -5
This morning I was roving the web when I noticed Windy City Cigar advertising Wessex Burley Slice available again, their current top seller. I took another leap of faith. So far so good. About an hour ago I received a call, recognized the number and answered expecting to be told they were out again. Instead, Erica told me Windy City Cigars could no longer ship to Kentucky. Dumbfounded at first, I told her there must be a mistake. I just received two tins of Tilbury from their cross town rival Iwan Ries earlier this week. She said there was no mistake. I then told her Kentucky is one of the top Burley producing states in the country and inquired about the letter.
She told me there were some states to which they can no longer ship. I was aware it's against the law to ship to Washington state but no others. She further went on to inform me, although she didn't have the letter which was sent to their parent company, her best guess was its purpose was to restrict on-line out-of-state sales into the commonwealth. The light bulb went on then. Kentucky is flat broke facing one of the most severe budget crises in the nation. Tobacco is still one of our top agricultural crops and the state is scraping for revenue from all corners. While this rationale is pure conjecture on my part at this time, it would connect the dots.
It was always my humble opinion the chase for revenue by the respective states would be the death knoll for sale of tobacco on-line long before the FDA could ever dismantle the industry; however, I admittedly didn't expect it to happen in Kentucky anytime soon. This is the first such news of the development I've heard from any on-line retailer. There may still be a slim possibility a mistake has been made but I'm doubting it even more as I type and inclined to believe slim has already left the room.
And so it begins. Short of relocating it looks like I may be out of the game. My current cellar will easily outlast me at this point and there's no reason for concern; nevertheless, it's slowly sinking in this portion of the journey may be over for this cowboy.
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Post by Motto on Dec 8, 2016 13:59:29 GMT -5
G'evening , my commiserations sir, over here in the UK , we have lost the service of Glynn Quelchs excellent online London shop, and Hans in Germany of HU tobacco with his innovative blends, is closing his online shop. Whilst in the UK there are calls to legalise some illegal non sober substances , like in some USA states, & with the FDA in the States it is sad.
It is overcontrol from central government office bureaucratic mandarins ruling the world from computers fantasies, while high on pot & God knows what....what is the world coming, tobacco is a perfectly sober temperate smoke which is perfectly healthy and allows you to lead a healthy lifestyle if you smoke within your limits. Pipe tobacco is also conducive to well being & allows you to work efficiently and soberly , unlike the evil weed, excuse the rant gentlemen, but I have nowhere else to let off steam concerning my pipe hobby, bye all.
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Post by poppasmurfjr on Dec 8, 2016 14:47:14 GMT -5
The light bulb went on then. Kentucky is flat broke facing one of the most severe budget crises in the nation. $52.7M budget surplus doesn't seem very flat broke or a very sever budget crisis. tinyurl.com/zn6v84p |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 14:55:24 GMT -5
The light bulb went on then. Kentucky is flat broke facing one of the most severe budget crises in the nation. $52.7M budget surplus doesn't seem very flat broke or a very sever budget crisis. tinyurl.com/zn6v84p“Number one on the list is that pensions are still severely underfunded,” Chilton said. “A (pending) pension audit will give some specific sense as to what the underfunding is, but it’s probably in the range of $35 billion or more.” A drop in the bucket. |
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Post by poppasmurfjr on Dec 8, 2016 15:10:55 GMT -5
I thought you said Kentucky was flat broke because of a budget crisis and a $52.7M surplus in there budget is not flat broke. If they have a pension funding problem then they are really in no different shape than almost all the other States in the USofA.
BTW on your next order from Iwan Reis you should ask them if they have any of the Burley Sliced. I know that when I order from them they almost always have what I'm looking for even if it is listed as out of stock. They only put a very limited stock on there website because there walkin sales are drasticly higher than there internet sales and they always want to have product for the walkin customers. Next time call and ask and they just might have a couple of tins fot you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 15:22:22 GMT -5
I thought you said Kentucky was flat broke because of a budget crisis and a $52.7M surplus in there budget is not flat broke. If they have a pension funding problem then they are really in no different shape than almost all the other States in the USofA. I think we're about to go past the boundary of acceptable activity here but Kentucky's pension problem is far worse than other states, the worst according to some sources, and it's not the only issue quoted in the article which is by no means comprehensive. The surplus only represents amounts beyond expected revenue. Actual liabilities across the board are a completely separate issue. Thanks for the tip on the Burley Slice, greatly appreciated. Peace. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 22:38:28 GMT -5
G'evening , my commiserations sir, over here in the UK , we have lost the service of Glynn Quelchs excellent online London shop, and Hans in Germany of HU tobacco with his innovative blends, is closing his online shop. Whilst in the UK there are calls to legalise some illegal non sober substances , like in some USA states, & with the FDA in the States it is sad. It is overcontrol from central government office bureaucratic mandarins ruling the world from computers fantasies, while high on pot & God knows what....what is the world coming, tobacco is a perfectly sober temperate smoke which is perfectly healthy and allows you to lead a healthy lifestyle if you smoke within your limits. Pipe tobacco is also conducive to well being & allows you to work efficiently and soberly , unlike the evil weed, excuse the rant gentlemen, but I have nowhere else to let off steam concerning my pipe hobby, bye all. Well said, Stan. I feel the same. Leave me alone to enjoy my simple pleasures. Bureaucrats and politicions are ruining everything they touch. |
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Post by antb on Dec 9, 2016 1:37:20 GMT -5
G'evening , my commiserations sir, over here in the UK , we have lost the service of Glynn Quelchs excellent online London shop, and Hans in Germany of HU tobacco with his innovative blends, is closing his online shop. Whilst in the UK there are calls to legalise some illegal non sober substances , like in some USA states, & with the FDA in the States it is sad. It is overcontrol from central government office bureaucratic mandarins ruling the world from computers fantasies, while high on pot & God knows what....what is the world coming, tobacco is a perfectly sober temperate smoke which is perfectly healthy and allows you to lead a healthy lifestyle if you smoke within your limits. Pipe tobacco is also conducive to well being & allows you to work efficiently and soberly , unlike the evil weed, excuse the rant gentlemen, but I have nowhere else to let off steam concerning my pipe hobby, bye all. Well said, Stan. I feel the same. Leave me alone to enjoy my simple pleasures. Bureaucrats and politicions are ruining everything they touch. Agreed. The future (sometimes) look bleak. But we'll make a plan. The rum runners and bootleggers did  BTW, some EU friends tell me no cross border shipping of tobacco is allowed between countries in the EU! And you thought this FDA thing was bad  |
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Post by Motto on Dec 9, 2016 1:48:55 GMT -5
Well said, Stan. I feel the same. Leave me alone to enjoy my simple pleasures. Bureaucrats and politicions are ruining everything they touch. Agreed. The future (sometimes) look bleak. But we'll make a plan. The rum runners and bootleggers did BTW, some EU friends tell me no cross border shipping of tobacco is allowed between countries in the EU! And you thought this FDA thing was bad I wish 😈 , but filthy lucre rules the roost, & there is more profit in drugs, not hardworking sober temperance 👮 !!!! I have seen building tradesmen smoking illegal substances in their breaks, is that Plumb level & straight ? & we all fall down... pardon the rant chief... |
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Post by qmechanics on Dec 16, 2018 3:32:39 GMT -5
Maybe the Indian reservations can save us all..😁
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Post by trailboss on Dec 16, 2018 9:23:51 GMT -5
Sadly, I think that eventually we will see more and more of this taking place.
Politicians are bureaucrats are predisposed to engaging in this type of behavior, and I expect more states will follow Washington state’s model. Hell, you now even have Philip Morris commercials demonizing tobacco as they use actresses pretending to smartly use JUUL for nicotine delivery instead of smoking. There is the lost revenue side of it, and supposedly the health side that the P&R’s think it is their job to be our healthcare guardians of.
Our pipe club recently conducted a survey of it’s members, and have a list of tobacco’s that we would like to see our shop carry, primarily distributed by Arango... Rattray’s, Esoterica, Germain’s, Samuel Gawith, etc... and received a favorable response from the proprietor that we meet at. He already has an account with Arango on the cigar side, and our input allows him to hone in on what will actually move. It is a long term view of action that we are taking in light of the trends we see taking place.
I say all of this because if it comes to a point that internet sales are prohibited, it is better to have an established relationship with a tobacconist than to try and start something at that point in time.... you are really behind the eight ball.
I know that I sound somewhat evangelistic about forming pipe clubs, but they are beneficial in so many ways, this being one of them.... a tobacconist can justify stocking blends for fifteen regular attendees, that he never could for a lone piper drifting in after the online sources are gone.
All it takes to start a pipe club is for two guys to meet up, and be consistently doing so... really no downside.
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Post by greeneyes on Dec 16, 2018 9:57:02 GMT -5
get the last Burley Slice at Boswells. also in the future none of us would mind proxy buying for you.  [edit] and Mars has Burley Slice too, apparently more than just 1 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 11:07:54 GMT -5
This thread brings back some memories, mostly of my deceased little cattle dog buddy Zach. He was probably laying on his pad and blanket a couple feet away from me while I was typing this one. A couple years ago there were probably six or eight of us banging around in here talking to each other in rambling posts like this one.
Like other states, Kentucky has required etailers doing a certain amount of business in the commonwealth to collect sales taxes. It makes perfect sense that local retailers in other states which don't meet the minimum threshold on a regular basis would rather simply discontinue doing business here on-line than being burdened with sales tax collection. So long Windy City.
There are ominous signs in the wind the days of selling tobacco on-line are numbered. States chasing revenue is still one of the factors just as it was when I began this thread two years ago. Other than operations which sufficiently possess the resources to handle the burden of differing state tax collections, our on-line options will likely continue to decline.
As far as Wessex Burley Slice, I've put back about twenty tins since this thread began. Along with my stashes of Solani ABF, Uhle's 00 and 300, a tub of Carter Hall and enough mixing Cavendish to make them more interesting, I'm good to go on Burley for the long haul; nevertheless, I greatly appreciate the advice on Wessex from other members this morning.
I'm no longer hunting but my advice to those who still are would be to cellar deep while the getting is still good.
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