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Post by roadsdiverged on May 5, 2019 18:39:05 GMT -5
So Ive had a problem with this pipe since the day I got it. It gurgles like crazy no matter how dry my tobacco is or how slow I smoke it. I have an idea of how to possibly fix this, but would like some other thoughts as well. Here's the pipe. Peterson Summertime B10 I believe the problem is the end of the stem is completely flat and allows moisture to build directly on it instead of dropping down into the well. Since its flat, a pipe cleaner really is no help. Sure I can take it apart and wipe it off, but in my head, my idea will work. So, my thought is, if I drill the end of this out into a cone or dome shape (concave) it should stop the moisture from building right on the airway and just sitting there. I have other pipes with similar stems and that's how they are and also do not gurgle. Any thoughts or suggestions?
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Post by stone on May 5, 2019 19:33:19 GMT -5
I don't have an answer but thank you for posting this. I was not aware that such a minor thing could cause gurgling and now that I know it, it gives me some ideas about some of my pipes!
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Post by Ronv69 on May 5, 2019 19:37:19 GMT -5
I fixed one like that by drilling the stem with one of those tapered countersink bits without the countersink part. I also opened up the draft hole to 5/32. One of my best smoking pipes now.
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Post by roadsdiverged on May 5, 2019 19:39:41 GMT -5
Nice, so it seems like my brain is on the right track
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Post by pepesdad1 on May 5, 2019 20:01:59 GMT -5
I think you are right...in looking at my bespoke pipes...particularly Ron's pipe I see that the end is concave as you suggested...no gurgle no moisture whatsoever.
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Post by Ronv69 on May 5, 2019 21:40:55 GMT -5
I think you are right...in looking at my bespoke pipes...particularly Ron's pipe I see that the end is concave as you suggested...no gurgle no moisture whatsoever. Yea, in addition you can take a dremel and funnel the opening of the stem, but it wasn't needed on mine. I hope they get their act together soon. It wasn't that long ago that buying a Peterson was a no brainer.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on May 6, 2019 0:02:03 GMT -5
A B10 isn’t a System pipe. If the mortise is so deep that it traps moisture, that’s a bug, not a feature.
Adding an inner bevel to the stem opening probably won’t help much, since an oversized mortise will interrupt airflow no matter what.
I expect opening the stummel draught way will make a difference, reducing the change in volume from draughtway to mortise.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on May 6, 2019 0:04:32 GMT -5
I don't have an answer but thank you for posting this. I was not aware that such a minor thing could cause gurgling and now that I know it, it gives me some ideas about some of my pipes! All bent pipes made with straight drills are prone to gurgle. Short of adding a well, like a Pete System, It is a matter of ameliorating the gurgle, not eliminating it entirely. i have bents with an inner bevel that gurgle quite a lot. I have one bent with no bevel at all, just a sheer face, that does better than average. I don’t know how well the inner flare on a tenon hole really helps.
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Post by stone on May 6, 2019 4:11:18 GMT -5
I don't have an answer but thank you for posting this. I was not aware that such a minor thing could cause gurgling and now that I know it, it gives me some ideas about some of my pipes! All bent pipes made with straight drills are prone to gurgle. Short of adding a well, like a Pete System, It is a matter of ameliorating the gurgle, not eliminating it entirely. i have bents with an inner bevel that gurgle quite a lot. I have one bent with no bevel at all, just a sheer face, that does better than average. I don’t know how well the inner flare on a tenon hole really helps. My Straight drill I assume you mean a straight line from the tenon to the bottom of the bowl?
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Post by roadsdiverged on May 6, 2019 5:22:08 GMT -5
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Post by Legend Lover on May 6, 2019 6:47:50 GMT -5
I cant see it past that huge void.
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Post by That Falls Guy on May 6, 2019 7:18:28 GMT -5
Where is the draft hole in the bowl? Is it at the bottom of the bowl, or above? If it's a bit high in the bowl, sometimes the addition of some pipe mud helps with the gurgling problem.
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Post by roadsdiverged on May 6, 2019 7:19:19 GMT -5
It's in the bottom where it "should" be.
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Post by Dramatwist on May 6, 2019 9:57:17 GMT -5
...sorry Josh, it's a Peterson (see my post elsewhere)... every Peterson I've owned over 50 years has been a gurgler, but good luck with that one...
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Post by Ronv69 on May 6, 2019 11:09:30 GMT -5
A B10 isn’t a System pipe. If the mortise is so deep that it traps moisture, that’s a bug, not a feature. Adding an inner bevel to the stem opening probably won’t help much, since an oversized mortise will interrupt airflow no matter what. I expect opening the stummel draught way will make a difference, reducing the change in volume from draughtway to mortise. All Peterson bent pipes have a well, though they are smaller in the non system pipes.
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Post by roadsdiverged on May 6, 2019 11:49:20 GMT -5
It might just get retired
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Post by Ronv69 on May 6, 2019 12:06:20 GMT -5
It might just get retired If you want to send it to me, I bet I can fix it or I will buy it from you.
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Post by roadsdiverged on May 6, 2019 12:25:16 GMT -5
Gotta keep this one. It's one that I bought myself for my 1st year of sobriety. I'm going to attempt to fix it and at the very worst, I still have a gurgler.
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Post by sperrytops on May 6, 2019 12:28:53 GMT -5
Can't add anything of substance to this thread except that I do occasionally get gurgles in pipes. Easily resolved by running a pipe cleaner through stem and shank. I only have a couple pipes where the bend is substantial enough to make that difficult. In that case I set the pipe aside till it cools down and I can clean it. I don't do anything more. I'll add I never alter pipes (mostly because I don't have the expertise(.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 12:29:12 GMT -5
I agree with this recommendation....” expect opening the stummel draught way will make a difference, reducing the change in volume from draughtway to mortise “. If it were a regular pipe I’d concave the tenon, which I’ve done in the past and worked out well. Good luck, you can do it👌👍👍
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Post by smellthehatfirst on May 7, 2019 12:20:12 GMT -5
A B10 isn’t a System pipe. If the mortise is so deep that it traps moisture, that’s a bug, not a feature. Adding an inner bevel to the stem opening probably won’t help much, since an oversized mortise will interrupt airflow no matter what. I expect opening the stummel draught way will make a difference, reducing the change in volume from draughtway to mortise. All Peterson bent pipes have a well, though they are smaller in the non system pipes. That's just sloppy drilling, which is distressingly common in Petes.
They're not supposed to have a well unless it's a System pipe.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on May 7, 2019 12:22:14 GMT -5
All bent pipes made with straight drills are prone to gurgle. Short of adding a well, like a Pete System, It is a matter of ameliorating the gurgle, not eliminating it entirely. i have bents with an inner bevel that gurgle quite a lot. I have one bent with no bevel at all, just a sheer face, that does better than average. I don’t know how well the inner flare on a tenon hole really helps. My Straight drill I assume you mean a straight line from the tenon to the bottom of the bowl? I mean literally a straight drill, as opposed to curved. Brebbia, among others, uses a special drilling rig to drive a curved draughtway, which allows perfect drilling even on rather extreme bents.
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Post by Ronv69 on May 7, 2019 14:42:51 GMT -5
All Peterson bent pipes have a well, though they are smaller in the non system pipes. That's just sloppy drilling, which is distressingly common in Petes.
They're not supposed to have a well unless it's a System pipe.
That may be, but they all have a vestigial well of varied depth. They always have. Maybe you should tell them that they have been doing it wrong for 150+ years .😁🤠
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 14:49:00 GMT -5
I think the B10 shape is prone to gurgling. I had one in the World series and it always smoked wet. If my 2 Summertime pipes load up (they don't always) I treat them like a Kaywoodie and quickly break them down and square them away. Their close to a Military mount and I have not experienced any ongoing problems.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on May 7, 2019 15:59:46 GMT -5
That's just sloppy drilling, which is distressingly common in Petes.
They're not supposed to have a well unless it's a System pipe.
That may be, but they all have a vestigial well of varied depth. They always have. Maybe you should tell them that they have been doing it wrong for 150+ years .😁🤠 I think they know, because every now and again you see a Pete with better drilling
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Post by Ronv69 on May 7, 2019 16:40:09 GMT -5
That may be, but they all have a vestigial well of varied depth. They always have. Maybe you should tell them that they have been doing it wrong for 150+ years .😁🤠 I think they know, because every now and again you see a Pete with better drilling Those are the mistakes. 😎🤠
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Post by highwaycobbery on May 7, 2019 16:50:44 GMT -5
I always drill out the stem and shank if my pipes gurgle, you don’t need to taper it just increase the hole in the stem about half an inch up and drill the shank up two sizes, most pipes do need aftermarket drilling I find, but once you do they will smoke like a dream. Your brains working right, drill away.
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Post by roadsdiverged on May 7, 2019 17:00:37 GMT -5
I'll attack this thing this weekend. I need an excuse to sit in the shed for a few hours anyway.
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Post by Scott W on Jun 5, 2019 14:06:51 GMT -5
I'll attack this thing this weekend. I need an excuse to sit in the shed for a few hours anyway. Any updates on this one Josh?
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Post by roadsdiverged on Jun 5, 2019 14:09:11 GMT -5
I never got around to messing with it. But as I'm sitting here smoking it right now and being mad about it, it's getting operated on after this bowl.
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