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Post by trailboss on Jul 27, 2019 1:45:37 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 27, 2019 10:57:08 GMT -5
Maine is in trouble. They have lost their manufacturing base and population in shrinking. The employment rate is high because of the lack of people. Nice place in the (short) summer.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jul 27, 2019 11:03:59 GMT -5
Too far for me to smoke a pipe/cigar.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 27, 2019 13:01:38 GMT -5
Yeah, we have free use of a house on Lake Sebago, for all the good it does us.
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Post by daveinlax on Jul 27, 2019 13:21:20 GMT -5
Cigar smokers will pay for a comfortable place to smoke. I go to lounges in high, low and no (rez) tobacco tax states that all do a good business. I think most of the sticks he listed are probably price protected so mail order can't undercut him by that much.  |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jul 27, 2019 13:32:56 GMT -5
As always...or usuallly always the last line says it all...."and not be forced out of it by a sort of fascist action"
This^^^^^is what is happening in this country....and all for the children....my arse!
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 27, 2019 17:39:01 GMT -5
As always...or usuallly always the last line says it all...." and not be forced out of it by a sort of fascist action" This^^^^^is what is happening in this country....and all for the children....my arse! Most people I know are starting to feel that way about one thing or another. What ever happened to that of the people, for the people stuff? And the Constitution to protect the individual from the mob? |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jul 27, 2019 17:43:02 GMT -5
Went out the door along with everything else that used to be sacred....seems we have gone from sacred to just scared.
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Post by daveinlax on Jul 27, 2019 18:01:19 GMT -5
As always...or usuallly always the last line says it all...." and not be forced out of it by a sort of fascist action" This^^^^^is what is happening in this country....and all for the children....my arse! Most people I know are starting to feel that way about one thing or another. What ever happened to that of the people, for the people stuff? And the Constitution to protect the individual from the mob? I know from fighting in WI's smoking ban over 10 years ago that if it were up to a popular vote tobacco would be banned. Smoking is not popular and never will be again. A couple things in the story seem a bit off but the fact that he has survived charging MSRP in a previously low tax state in a public strip mall tells me he'll be just fine.
I've said it before but I guarantee you that your employer, insurance provider or wife will stop you from smoking before the state does. |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jul 28, 2019 12:14:02 GMT -5
High tobacco taxes reduce youth smoking.
High cigar prices never scared any adult away from premium cigars. I think Calabash Cafe will do just fine.
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Post by Darin on Jul 28, 2019 12:16:49 GMT -5
LOL ... always the optimist about our decreasing liberties.  |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jul 28, 2019 12:50:47 GMT -5
I’m not afraid to pay two dollars extra for a cigar.
Taxes are already much higher than that in my home state and youth smoking rates are down. It’s working.
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Post by Darin on Jul 28, 2019 12:54:59 GMT -5
I’m not afraid to pay two dollars extra for a cigar.Taxes are already much higher than that in my home state and youth smoking rates are down. It’s working. Yes ... that's YOU. Sometimes, we need to think about how things will affect others and not just ourselves. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 28, 2019 12:55:56 GMT -5
I find that a cigar in the UK costs at least the price of a 50g tin of tobacco. That's one smoke compared to many, for the same price.
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Post by Darin on Jul 28, 2019 12:59:38 GMT -5
I find that a cigar in the UK costs at least the price of a 50g tin of tobacco. That's one smoke compared to many, for the same price. Not only that but the quality to price ratio has gone down considerably. Cigars that are now around $10-$12 can be hit or miss and that didn't used to be the case so much. |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jul 28, 2019 15:10:21 GMT -5
I’m not afraid to pay two dollars extra for a cigar.Taxes are already much higher than that in my home state and youth smoking rates are down. It’s working. Yes ... that's YOU. Sometimes, we need to think about how things will affect others and not just ourselves. I sure hope no one ever promised you luxury goods would be cheap.
Raising tobacco taxes benefits public health, and I'm not going to cry for anyone paying an extra two bucks for a cigar, least of all myself.
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Post by Darin on Jul 28, 2019 15:28:25 GMT -5
So ... if you're not among the affluent then you deserve nothing considered a "luxury"?
Folks that work hard for their money but don't make as much as you or I may have a differing opinion on this.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Jul 28, 2019 15:30:51 GMT -5
This is an interesting theme that keeps coming up in discussions here: the idea of individual liberty vs democracy. The thing is, we don't live in an anarchy here in the U.S. That's a system where everyone would be free to do whatever they want. We don't have that, and I don't think we want that. When it comes to actions in public, it seems sensible that the majority rules in a society. You want to smoke in restaurants, but more people want there to not be smoking in restaurants. What is the democratic end result? No smoking in restaurants. You may want to sit naked in a restaurant while eating too, and you can't do that either, for the same reason: the majority of people wants you not to  . I don't see things like this as a loss of individual liberties, because they were never things you had a "right" to in the first place. Now, if you were being told what you could or could not do in your own home, that would be different, but I don't know of a law that says you can't eat a burger and smoke a cigar at the same time in your own kitchen? |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jul 28, 2019 15:32:31 GMT -5
So ... if you're not among the affluent then you deserve nothing considered a "luxury"? This is literally the definition of “luxury.” An unnecessary article that gives pleasure and comfort. No one is guaranteed a supply of luxury goods. I’m not crying into my Cheerios for the family that can’t afford premium cigars on a single breadwinner’s wage. Raising taxes on tobacco has salutary effects on society at large in exchange for a very small impact on we who enjoy our luxury tobaccos. |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jul 28, 2019 15:36:20 GMT -5
It is also worth mentioning that a tobacco tax, being a tax on luxury goods, is wholly voluntary. You are in no way obliged to purchase tobacco.
If you find the price offensive, don’t buy. Problem solved.
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Post by Darin on Jul 28, 2019 15:48:34 GMT -5
OK ... It's my opinion that any hard working person who wants to enjoy a cigar should be able to afford something better than a Swisher Sweet. I guess those that were raised with a silver spoon in their mouths will never understand that philosophy. While I make more than enough to afford the rate hikes, it doesn't make me happy and I can empathize with those that will eventually be priced out of something they have always enjoyed. YMDV
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Post by trailboss on Jul 28, 2019 17:03:49 GMT -5
OK ... It's my opinion that any hard working person who wants to enjoy a cigar should be able to afford something better than a Swisher Sweet. I guess those that were raised with a silver spoon in their mouths will never understand that philosophy. While I make more than enough to afford the rate hikes, it doesn't make me happy and I can empathize with those that will eventually be priced out of something they have always enjoyed. YMDV Pretty much sums it up nicely. When it comes to smoking in public, I don't think anyone minds that businesses are non smoking, that is them exercising their individual liberty...I have no problem with that. By the same token, a restaurant should be able to allow smoking if they want to as they exercise their individual liberty, giving a place for those that want to frequent the business to do so....those that don't, can exercise their liberty by going to a non smoking restaurant. That is why the founders chose a representative republic over democracy, in a pure democracy mob rules in a representative republic, individual liberties are respected...Unfortunately, few in modern culture understand this principle. |
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Post by trailboss on Jul 28, 2019 17:13:05 GMT -5
As for a restaurant with naked people, not my cup of tea, but I used to deliver to nudist colonies in The SF Bay area, I never had a problem with them having restaurant in the raw.
I quickly concluded that most of you guys look better in clothing though....I am an Adonis, but my modesty prevents me from showing off.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jul 28, 2019 17:40:42 GMT -5
Yeah^^^^me too...and my sagging skin and wrinkles, in no way affects my appearance.
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Post by chasingembers on Jul 28, 2019 17:59:24 GMT -5
I smoke at my desk, my insurance provider said pipe smoking doesn't apply, and my wife smokes.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Jul 28, 2019 21:35:43 GMT -5
As for a restaurant with naked people, not my cup of tea, but I used to deliver to nudist colonies in The SF Bay area, I never had a problem with them having restaurant in the raw. I quickly concluded that most of you guys look better in clothing though....I am an Adonis, but my modesty prevents me from showing off. Haha yeah I can't blame anyone for wanting me to wear clothes in public. I do see the other side of the coin, that a private business should have the right to decide if they'll allow smoking in their establishment. I guess there are ways to accomplish this, or there wouldn't be places like cigar bars. In general though, I think the writing was on the wall a while back about smoking in restaurants at least; in every state I've lived in, almost all restaurants had become smoke-free before a state law mandated it. It seemed it was better for business. I actually commented before reading the whole article (something I usually jump on people for doing, so I'll own that one; my bad), and thought the point was more about smoking in restaurants than about taxes. I actually agree that taxing good cigars and pipe tobacco the same as cigarettes (or alcohol for that matter) is unjustified. As the shop owner points out in the article, they are entirely different products used in entirely different ways. I guess this is what comes of the roll-your-own cigarette tobacco being marketed as "pipe tobacco"... |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jul 28, 2019 22:11:57 GMT -5
As for a restaurant with naked people, not my cup of tea, but I used to deliver to nudist colonies in The SF Bay area, I never had a problem with them having restaurant in the raw. I quickly concluded that most of you guys look better in clothing though....I am an Adonis, but my modesty prevents me from showing off. Haha yeah I can't blame anyone for wanting me to wear clothes in public. I do see the other side of the coin, that a private business should have the right to decide if they'll allow smoking in their establishment. I guess there are ways to accomplish this, or there wouldn't be places like cigar bars. In general though, I think the writing was on the wall a while back about smoking in restaurants at least; in every state I've lived in, almost all restaurants had become smoke-free before a state law mandated it. It seemed it was better for business. I actually commented before reading the whole article (something I usually jump on people for doing, so I'll own that one; my bad), and thought the point was more about smoking in restaurants than about taxes. I actually agree that taxing good cigars and pipe tobacco the same as cigarettes (or alcohol for that matter) is unjustified. As the shop owner points out in the article, they are entirely different products used in entirely different ways. I guess this is what comes of the roll-your-own cigarette tobacco being marketed as "pipe tobacco"... There are also faux "little cigars" that are really cigarettes, with filter tips and all. Near as I can tell, the only way to truly separate "premium" tobacco from cigarettes is price. As a result, New York has cigar taxes that set a "minimum price" -- the retailer must charge at least $5 per single stick or $20 for a five pack, or something like that. |
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Post by briarbuck on Jul 29, 2019 8:08:00 GMT -5
It is also worth mentioning that a tobacco tax, being a tax on luxury goods, is wholly voluntary. You are in no way obliged to purchase tobacco. If you find the price offensive, don’t buy. Problem solved. Wow |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Jul 29, 2019 11:26:37 GMT -5
He must sit at the same table.
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Post by Wolfman on Jul 29, 2019 11:29:08 GMT -5
I’m not afraid to pay two dollars extra for a cigar.Taxes are already much higher than that in my home state and youth smoking rates are down. It’s working. Yes ... that's YOU. Sometimes, we need to think about how things will affect others and not just ourselves. + 1 Darin |
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