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Post by simnettpratt on Sept 28, 2020 4:05:49 GMT -5
So I've been using toothpaste to cool my CPU because I have no thermal paste, but have to replace it every ten days or so because it dries out. About three hours ago, the CPU was hitting high 60s C under load, and it's limit is 70, so time to change the toothpaste. This time when I removed the heatsink and fan, the CPU stuck to the heatsink and a pin got bent. My CPU is a medieval 32nm AMD Trinity dual-core, and still uses pins. As you know, those suckers are less than a millimeter long and about the width of a human hair, so a pain to even see, much less manipulate. Using my teeny tools I have from modeling 1/72 WWII tanks, I tried to straighten the &*$$^% pin and reset the chip, but the pc wouldn't even post - it wasn't in the hole. After repeated bending attempts, the pin eventually broke off, but miraculously, I didn't lose it and could see it on my desk with my magnifying glass. Even more miraculously, I was able to use my teeny tools and a toothpick to drop it back in the sixth hole over from the bottom right and gently, gently replaced the stupid chip. This actually worked, so I'm now typing on a computer with a CPU pin that's not soldered to the chip, but just resting in the socket's hole, and I have the case lying on it's side. NASA tests it's astronaut candidates by giving them a problem that gets harder and harder and harder. The ones that make it are the ones that don't quit even when it's clearly impossible  |
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 28, 2020 4:53:13 GMT -5
I bow to your incredible talent and knowledge. I'd have had to bin the thing.
My wife spilled a glass of water over her macbook pro and, while it works, it moves at a snail's pace. I think the memory has been fried (really got no idea), but unfortunately I've no knowledge of how to fix the thing. I wish I had some of your know-how.
I might open it up and squirt toothpaste over the motherboard, like you did, and see if that works.
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Post by simnettpratt on Sept 28, 2020 5:26:30 GMT -5
Please don't squirt toothpaste over your motherboard, that's not what I did at all.
If your memory had been fried, the computer wouldn't even come on - your memory's ok.
Water is bad because it shorts things, and they die, they don't run slowly, they melt and die. The computer isn't running slowly because of the water incident.
When you say slowly, what is slow? Does the computer take a long time to come on? Does it take a long time to recognize mousepad clicks? Does it take a long time to open various windows before you go online, or do web pages open slowly and internet videos take a long time to run? That is, is the computer running slowly, or is her internet slow?
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 28, 2020 5:31:21 GMT -5
Good to know...I was only joking about the toothpaste.
However, before the water incident, everything was instantaneous, as it has always been with the Macbook. Opening programmes were instant, switching windows was instant. After the water incident when I bring the mouse to the bottom to see the menu thing it appears slowly and jerky. Nothing is smooth. I go into ABOUT MAC, which came up instantly and it takes maybe 30 - 60s to open.
I thought that perhaps a memory chip had died and hence the thing took longer, but if that's not the case I've no idea what happened. If it wasn't the water, it sure was a MASSIVE coincidence.
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Post by simnettpratt on Sept 28, 2020 5:46:58 GMT -5
Thanks for replying - the computer's slow, not the internet, after the water incident. Let me see what I can find out...
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 28, 2020 5:54:04 GMT -5
Thanks for replying - the computer's slow, not the internet, after the water incident. Let me see what I can find out... Jeepers, I don't want to put you to any trouble...but thank you. And yes, the internet hasn't changed. It's just the computer has ground to a snail's pace. |
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Post by simnettpratt on Sept 28, 2020 6:04:50 GMT -5
I'm assuming she already unplugged everything and let it dry for several days open and upside down before turning it back on. If so, you can run a hardware diagnostic and see if it says anything is sick or mad. Unplug anything the pc is plugged in to (except keep the power adapter plugged in). Start the MacBook while holding down the D key. This should run a hardware diagnostic after you select English. If it finds any issues, it will give you an error code. Carefully write this down and post it here. Reboot to get out of the diagnostic test. You may have a fried thermal sensor, which makes the kernel keep stopping the pc because it thinks it's too hot. Your diagnostic error code would be PFM006. Anyway, run the diagnostic if you want to; it can't hurt and we may be able to avoid a trip to the doctors Bottom line is I was wrong, a water-fried thermal sensor would make your computer work but run slowly. Sorry man, spoke too soon  |
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Post by calabash on Sept 28, 2020 6:09:12 GMT -5
I bow to your incredible talent and knowledge. I'd have had to bin the thing. My wife spilled a glass of water over her macbook pro and, while it works, it moves at a snail's pace. I think the memory has been fried (really got no idea), but unfortunately I've no knowledge of how to fix the thing. I wish I had some of your know-how. I might open it up and squirt toothpaste over the motherboard, like you did, and see if that works. YouTube is an amazing resource for self help. I'm not much of a tech wizard or mechanic, but have been able to fix a lot of things with the assistance of online tutorials.
Just got my grandson's dead XBox back up and running last week.
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 28, 2020 6:10:54 GMT -5
I'm assuming she already unplugged everything and let it dry for several days open and upside down before turning it back on. If so, you can run a hardware diagnostic and see if it says anything is sick or mad. Unplug anything the pc is plugged in to (except keep the power adapter plugged in). Start the MacBook while holding down the D key. This should run a hardware diagnostic after you select English. If it finds any issues, it will give you an error code. Carefully write this down and post it here. Reboot to get out of the diagnostic test. You may have a fried thermal sensor, which makes the kernel keep stopping the pc because it thinks it's too hot. Your diagnostic error code would be PFM006. Anyway, run the diagnostic if you want to; it can't hurt and we may be able to avoid a trip to the doctors Bottom line is I was wrong, a water-fried thermal sensor would make your computer work but run slowly. Sorry man, spoke too soon Mate, no need to apologise. What you're doing now is way more than I could ever have asked. The computer was put in the boiler room in a tray of rice for a couple of days. I'll run diagnostics and see what happens... |
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 28, 2020 6:17:40 GMT -5
I bow to your incredible talent and knowledge. I'd have had to bin the thing. My wife spilled a glass of water over her macbook pro and, while it works, it moves at a snail's pace. I think the memory has been fried (really got no idea), but unfortunately I've no knowledge of how to fix the thing. I wish I had some of your know-how. I might open it up and squirt toothpaste over the motherboard, like you did, and see if that works. YouTube is an amazing resource for self help. I'm not much of a tech wizard or mechanic, but have been able to fix a lot of things with the assistance of online tutorials.
Just got my grandson's dead XBox back up and running last week.
That's impressive. I tried to do that with an old PlayStation. Bought thermal paste and everything... Didn't work. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 28, 2020 6:24:12 GMT -5
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Post by simnettpratt on Sept 28, 2020 6:51:04 GMT -5
Good job! See, it really was a PFM006, ie fried thermal sensor. I see you're also getting a PPN001.
1. You might be able to fix the PPN001 (power management system error) with an SMC (system management controller) reset.
Hold down Shift, Ctrl and Option on the left side of the keyboard.
While holding down these three keys, hold down the power button as well for ten seconds.
Release all four keys, then press the power button to turn on the Mac. Turn it back off and re-run the diag. See if that got rid of the PPN001. It's the PFM006 that's making you slow, though.
2. The PFM006 is a fried thermal sensor, either in your trackpad or keyboard, which means you probably have to replace one or the other I'm afraid. It's a common MacBook vs water issue. I bet your fan is running really fast. The bad thermal sensor is telling the brain it's too hot, and to wait for it to cool down. This is why it's slow, it's constantly stopping to cool down. It's not hot, it's the stupid sensor that thinks it is.
Let me know if you're up for some surgery or are resigning yourself to put up with the slowness until you can take it to a doctor.
PS Tell wife not to spill liquids on the computers.
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 28, 2020 6:57:20 GMT -5
Good job! See, it really was a PFM006, ie fried thermal sensor. I see you're also getting a PPN001. 1. You might be able to fix the PPN001 (power management system error) with an SMC (system management controller) reset. Hold down Shift, Ctrl and Option on the left side of the keyboard. While holding down these three keys, hold down the power button as well for ten seconds.
Release all four keys, then press the power button to turn on the Mac. Turn it back off and re-run the diag. See if that got rid of the PPN001. It's the PFM006 that's making you slow, though.2. The PFM006 is a fried thermal sensor, either in your trackpad or keyboard, which means you probably have to replace one or the other I'm afraid. It's a common MacBook vs water issue. I bet your fan is running really fast. The bad thermal sensor is telling the brain it's too hot, and to wait for it to cool down. This is why it's slow, it's constantly stopping to cool down. It's not hot, it's the stupid sensor that thinks it is. Let me know if you're up for some surgery or are resigning yourself to put up with the slowness until you can take it to a doctor. PS Tell wife not to spill liquids on the computers. To be fair, I spilled a glass of milk on my other macbook about 1 month after I got it. Thankfully, I took out the insurance on it. It was essentially replaced for 'free'. We had resigned ourselves that this was for the graveyard, so we're happy to tinker - nothing to lose. Shall we take this to PM? I've hijacked this thread enough. |
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Post by simnettpratt on Sept 28, 2020 7:12:01 GMT -5
Outstanding, that's what I wanted to hear. Definitely not ready for the graveyard. We can fix this ourselves for MUCH less than it would cost to pay an Apple rep. Switching to PM now...
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Post by simnettpratt on Sept 28, 2020 7:13:00 GMT -5
PS Tell wife to tell you not to spill liquids on the computers.
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 28, 2020 7:15:36 GMT -5
PS Tell wife to tell you not to spill liquids on the computers. LOL. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 28, 2020 7:16:49 GMT -5
I bow to your incredible talent and knowledge. I'd have had to bin the thing. My wife spilled a glass of water over her macbook pro and, while it works, it moves at a snail's pace. I think the memory has been fried (really got no idea), but unfortunately I've no knowledge of how to fix the thing. I wish I had some of your know-how. I might open it up and squirt toothpaste over the motherboard, like you did, and see if that works. YouTube is an amazing resource for self help. I'm not much of a tech wizard or mechanic, but have been able to fix a lot of things with the assistance of online tutorials.
Just got my grandson's dead XBox back up and running last week.
I just looked at Youtube video of how to fix this issue...WAY above my level of expertise. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. |
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Post by simnettpratt on Sept 28, 2020 7:25:06 GMT -5
You've been PMd. If you can work a screwdriver, you can fix this and scoff at the Grim Reaper. If you don't feel up to it though, I understand - I'm a tech and live for this stuff.
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Post by calabash on Sept 28, 2020 7:26:13 GMT -5
Good job! See, it really was a PFM006, ie fried thermal sensor. I see you're also getting a PPN001. 1. You might be able to fix the PPN001 (power management system error) with an SMC (system management controller) reset. Hold down Shift, Ctrl and Option on the left side of the keyboard. While holding down these three keys, hold down the power button as well for ten seconds.
Release all four keys, then press the power button to turn on the Mac. Turn it back off and re-run the diag. See if that got rid of the PPN001. It's the PFM006 that's making you slow, though.2. The PFM006 is a fried thermal sensor, either in your trackpad or keyboard, which means you probably have to replace one or the other I'm afraid. It's a common MacBook vs water issue. I bet your fan is running really fast. The bad thermal sensor is telling the brain it's too hot, and to wait for it to cool down. This is why it's slow, it's constantly stopping to cool down. It's not hot, it's the stupid sensor that thinks it is. Let me know if you're up for some surgery or are resigning yourself to put up with the slowness until you can take it to a doctor. PS Tell wife not to spill liquids on the computers. I wonder if a cooling pad would help as a workaround. I keep my MacBook on one 24/7.
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Post by simnettpratt on Sept 28, 2020 7:29:35 GMT -5
It's not actually getting hot - only the bad sensor thinks it's hot. It's already cool, the sensor is the problem (PFM006).
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Post by lizardonarock on Sept 28, 2020 11:36:27 GMT -5
 Not all the pins are used on a CPU so David got lucky now use any high temp grease instead of tooth paste or just get some thermal paste. Ebay has thermal grease for under 2.00 bucks so there really is no excuse to use peanut butter or toothpaste. Face palm! For the MAC open it up and take the better halves hair dryer to it. Living in your wet climate that thing is never going to dry out all by itself.
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 28, 2020 12:06:54 GMT -5
Not all the pins are used on a CPU so David got lucky now use any high temp grease instead of tooth paste or just get some thermal paste. Ebay has thermal grease for under 2.00 bucks so there really is no excuse to use peanut butter or toothpaste. Face palm! For the MAC open it up and take the better halves hair dryer to it. Living in your wet climate that thing is never going to dry out all by itself . True that. |
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Post by simnettpratt on Sept 28, 2020 16:04:04 GMT -5
My excuse to use toothpaste is I'm living on $20 a week for all my food and everything else. I don't get money, but am allowed to have a grocery store deliver that much food. If I have to buy a six dollar box of detergent I have to go light on the grub. The grocery store doesn't sell thermal paste either.
Even if the pin that broke off wasn't being used, the pc wouldn't even POST without it, ie wouldn't come on, so yes, I needed that pin.
And toothpaste actually cools better than cheap ($2) thermal paste, you just have to keep replacing it because it dries out.
My use of toothpaste and getting my pc to come on by manipulating the broken pin into it's hole is actually not so feckin' retarded a full and proper facepalm is not even necessary.
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 28, 2020 16:36:58 GMT -5
We live in a throw away society. It's great to be able to repair, whatever the solution might be.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 28, 2020 17:01:56 GMT -5
My excuse to use toothpaste is I'm living on $20 a week for all my food and everything else. I don't get money, but am allowed to have a grocery store deliver that much food. If I have to buy a six dollar box of detergent I have to go light on the grub. The grocery store doesn't sell thermal paste either. Even if the pin that broke off wasn't being used, the pc wouldn't even POST without it, ie wouldn't come on, so yes, I needed that pin. And toothpaste actually cools better than cheap ($2) thermal paste, you just have to keep replacing it because it dries out. My use of toothpaste and getting my pc to come on by manipulating the broken pin into it's hole is actually not so feckin' retarded a full and proper facepalm is not even necessary. A tube of silver paste is on the way. I hope that you haven't moved. 😉 |
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Post by lizardonarock on Sept 28, 2020 18:29:58 GMT -5
What AMD processor do you need? I have a AMD Athlon II of unknown speed but I do know it is unlockable sitting in my desk.
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Post by bigwoolie on Sept 28, 2020 19:55:17 GMT -5
I broke the lead off my pencil...but I resharpened it with my pocket knife.
That concludes my tech wizardry for the day.
You're welcome.
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Post by toshtego on Sept 28, 2020 20:08:55 GMT -5
I broke the lead off my pencil...but I resharpened it with my pocket knife. That concludes my tech wizardry for the day. You're welcome. Many of my pencils are too fat for the electric sharpener so I have to use a knife. I like fat pencils for my arthritic hands. Also, I get satisfaction from hand sharpening the pencil with a knife. The knife, of course, has to be sharp, so more is involved. Nice routine. |
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Post by lizardonarock on Sept 28, 2020 21:56:44 GMT -5
I prefer the number 4h Faber-Castell pencil and yes I sharpen it with a knife making it more deadly than a paper clip. Yes you can over clock old AMD CPU's AND GPU'S with a pencil or fix a printed circuit with graphite in a pencil. Or you can use a Graphite Thermal Pad for a CPU. Pretty high tech for a pencil.
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Post by simnettpratt on Sept 29, 2020 3:15:58 GMT -5
Wow. Thanks Ron. Thanks lizard. Ron, I haven't moved; the actual thermal paste will be awesome! I hope I can get the heatsink off and keep the loose pin in the hole! Still munching the pills, too lizard, thanks man. Unfortunately, Athlon IIs are either FM1s or AM3s. This mobo is an FM2, so it wouldn't work, but thank you very much for the offer. I also found a fan controller in the BIOS I'd missed, so set it to Turbo (from Standard), and the CPU hasn't gone over 50°C in two hours of Flight Simulator with both cores maxed out at 100%. Ron, the paste will be great, so I don't have to keep taking the sink off every ten days. And the prodigal pin will stay in!! I'll be really, really careful making sure the chip doesn't stick to the sink when I take it off. Eep. PS Andre's actually got the star headed scewdriver to take his MacBook apart, so we may have that little guy fixed soon, too. Might have to buy a trackpad, but once he sees how easy it is to work on, he'll be fine. Haven't told him about the horrendous crack it might make when he pries it apart  |
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