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Post by exbenedict on Nov 5, 2020 10:17:24 GMT -5
Define "different". Please. Feel free to say what you actually mean. I would love to know. Sorry, not allowed. 🤠 That's what I thought. Expectations = met. |
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Post by sparks on Nov 5, 2020 10:49:36 GMT -5
Do I stutter guys? Enough. Move on.
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Post by bigwoolie on Nov 5, 2020 17:07:33 GMT -5
I wonder how many of those new gun owners bought with an understanding of the ammo crunch we have right now?
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Post by puffy on Nov 5, 2020 17:15:34 GMT -5
I wonder how many of those new gun owners bought with an understanding of the ammo crunch we have right now? How many of them don't really know how to handle a gun? |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Nov 5, 2020 18:20:30 GMT -5
I wonder how many of those new gun owners bought with an understanding of the ammo crunch we have right now? While I'm not as skilled or as knowledgeable as most of you guys...I know that with my 12ga. if I point it and pull the trigger...problem will go away...most likely in pieces. |
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 5, 2020 18:32:14 GMT -5
Can you miss with a shotgun? You bet you can. At average self-defense distances that pattern is quite small. The impact and damage is devastating but you have to DELIVER it.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Nov 5, 2020 18:34:04 GMT -5
I figure that if they are in my small house...I probably won't miss. Not looking at any longer distances than about 30 ft.
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Post by toshtego on Nov 5, 2020 21:13:29 GMT -5
I figure that if they are in my small house...I probably won't miss. Not looking at any longer distances than about 30 ft. I hope you practice. Not much spread at the few feet inside. Aim well. Also, kiss your hearing goodbye. You might want to keep some ear valves or other protection handy. |
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 5, 2020 22:04:13 GMT -5
This brings up another germane topic: defensive handguns for the house.Probably the absolutely worst choice for such a job is a hot-loaded, short-barreled .357. A longer barrel won’t be much better. When you set it off you will both blind and deafen your attacker. Unfortunately that will happen to you as well. A .38, a 9mm, or a .45AUTO would be much better choices. Or maybe a spear!
Or even better, the most completely awesome close-combat weapon of them all: a wakizashi. Not a joke.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 5, 2020 23:00:59 GMT -5
This brings up another germane topic: defensive handguns for the house.Probably the absolutely worst choice for such a job is a hot-loaded, short-barreled .357. A longer barrel won’t be much better. When you set it off you will both blind and deafen your attacker. Unfortunately that will happen to you as well. A .38, a 9mm, or a .45AUTO would be much better choices. Or maybe a spear! Or even better, the most completely awesome close-combat weapon of them all: a wakizashi. Not a joke. I keep a sword by the bed for just that reason. It's a Windlass Ulfberht Viking sword 31" overall double edged and nicely balanced. I also keep a Cold Steel Gladius machete for close encounters. And a 17" Waikiki just because they're cool. I fired a 22 Magnum in the bedroom once. I don't ever want to do that again. Of course if the intruder has a gun then I have to make a decision. 🤔🙄😩 |
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Post by Gypo on Nov 5, 2020 23:17:17 GMT -5
You ever watch one of those Cop's shows? When there are 12 cops guns drawn and the guy will not listen to them. They bring out the K9 and suddenly the guy starts to listen. He is more in fear of one dog than he is then 192 round of 9mm.
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 5, 2020 23:18:30 GMT -5
I am not familiar with this ‘waikiki’ of which you speak. A 17” sharpened surf-board?
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 5, 2020 23:20:31 GMT -5
I am not familiar with this ‘waikiki’ of which you speak. A 17” sharpened surf-board? It's past my bedtime. You can guess what I meant to type, can't you? 🙄😉🤠 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 5, 2020 23:21:47 GMT -5
You ever watch one of those Cop's shows? When there are 12 cops guns drawn and the guy will not listen to them. They bring out the K9 and suddenly the guy starts to listen. He is more in fear of one dog than he is then 192 round of 9mm. I think a 70 year old man naked with a Viking sword should be just as effective. 😉🤠 |
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 5, 2020 23:23:53 GMT -5
Look out! A berserker! And he’s got a big knife!  |
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 5, 2020 23:24:51 GMT -5
I am not familiar with this ‘waikiki’ of which you speak. A 17” sharpened surf-board? It's past my bedtime. You can guess what I meant to type, can't you? 🙄😉🤠 of course I can. Just funnin’ ya. |
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Post by oldcajun123 on Nov 6, 2020 10:47:48 GMT -5
 Got this under my bed in case of gun failure, believe me Imknow how to use it. 
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 6, 2020 12:22:15 GMT -5
I am afraid of knives and edged weapons. As in very afraid. Just goog “knife wounds” to get a taste of that fear. But... if you are on the other end of the blade your attack needs to relentless, merciless, and brought home again and again. The reluctance to slice up another human being is apparently inbred with us. Even the Samurai were not immune. They had a mantra before going into combat— “You have already been cut. You have already cut another.” Did it work? By the grace of the Great Spirit I have not had to try it and hope never to have to.
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Post by toshtego on Nov 6, 2020 15:12:09 GMT -5
Somehow, armed assailants bursting into the house in the middle of the night seems a low level of risk. Thugs in the Walmart parking lot are more pressing. I understand why people open carry there. I do not but have no objections to others who do.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Nov 6, 2020 17:34:07 GMT -5
It has been said... If you are not a rebel when you are young, you have no heart; if you are not a conservative when you are older, you have no brain. Winston Churchill Churchill, yes, but in the interest of historical accuracy I'll point out two things: 1. Churchill wasn't the first to say it. It originated with a 19th century French academic named Anselme Polycarpe Batbie. 2. Both Batbie and Churchill did not use the term "rebel", they used the term "liberal". "Rebel" has begun to be substituted in recent years for whatever reason, but is inaccurate. As for guns, I have sporting weapons and have hunted for years, but they got boring pretty quick when I started shooting barebow traditional archery. Compared to that, shooting a gun feels awful mechanical - put the thing on the thing, squeeze trigger, hole appears  . |
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 6, 2020 17:52:04 GMT -5
Making the hole appear where you WANT it to appear is the trick. |
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Post by bigwoolie on Nov 6, 2020 18:21:56 GMT -5
That's why Im moving to handgun hunting. Ive wanted to get into bows for years, but I usually have a full beard, and its been a phobia of mine that one day the string upon the release would somehow rip a fist-sized chunk of beard out of the side of my face.
Its silly, I know, but it gives me the heebie-jeebies every time I draw a bow back.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Nov 7, 2020 6:23:34 GMT -5
That is actually a reasonable fear, because it could happen with a traditional corner-of-the-mouth anchor if you're shooting off your fingers. I know a couple guys with bushy beards that shoot with a mechanical release device, like what folks use on modern compound bows. If you do that, and especially if you use sights, you can float your anchor well away from your face (and beard).
I'd probably still be nervous too though... that would hurt like hell!
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Post by trailboss on Nov 7, 2020 9:34:41 GMT -5
That's why Im moving to handgun hunting. Ive wanted to get into bows for years, but I usually have a full beard, and its been a phobia of mine that one day the string upon the release would somehow rip a fist-sized chunk of beard out of the side of my face. Its silly, I know, but it gives me the heebie-jeebies every time I draw a bow back. I never thought about that... yikes! |
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Post by ironclad on Nov 7, 2020 17:06:41 GMT -5
Estimates of how many guns there are in the US vary widely. From something like 300 million to 600 million. No doubt somewhere in between, but it’s pretty likely there is at least ONE gun for every man, woman, and child in our country. Robert Heinline said that an armed society is a polite society. Doesn’t seem to be turning out that way. Oh, I dont know. The rudeness, riots and such are mostly in the parts of the country with the strictest gun control, thus the least armed people. Ever been to a gunshow? Them folks are more polite than about any church Ive ever been to. 😁😎 I used to go to the gun shows and take the family; we always had a good time but they changed around here fall 2016. In winter 2017, I took the boy who wanted to see a knife at the booth we were perusing. He asked politely and the attendant just ignored him. I said, "Excuse me, could we see that knife?" The guy responded, "I don't sell to race traitors." My boy is Hispanic. I have not gone back. |
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 7, 2020 17:12:47 GMT -5
That’s disgusting. That arsehat needs a trip to the woodshed.
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Post by ironclad on Nov 7, 2020 17:18:01 GMT -5
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Post by trailboss on Nov 7, 2020 17:53:19 GMT -5
Oh, I dont know. The rudeness, riots and such are mostly in the parts of the country with the strictest gun control, thus the least armed people. Ever been to a gunshow? Them folks are more polite than about any church Ive ever been to. 😁😎 I used to go to the gun shows and take the family; we always had a good time but they changed around here fall 2016. In winter 2017, I took the boy who wanted to see a knife at the booth we were perusing. He asked politely and the attendant just ignored him. I said, "Excuse me, could we see that knife?" The guy responded, "I don't sell to race traitors." My boy is Hispanic. I have not gone back. I would talk to the show organizer. I cannot imagine any manager allowing that nonsense, and would be grateful to be notified. |
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Post by toshtego on Nov 7, 2020 18:05:01 GMT -5
Oh, I dont know. The rudeness, riots and such are mostly in the parts of the country with the strictest gun control, thus the least armed people. Ever been to a gunshow? Them folks are more polite than about any church Ive ever been to. 😁😎 I used to go to the gun shows and take the family; we always had a good time but they changed around here fall 2016. In winter 2017, I took the boy who wanted to see a knife at the booth we were perusing. He asked politely and the attendant just ignored him. I said, "Excuse me, could we see that knife?" The guy responded, "I don't sell to race traitors." My boy is Hispanic. I have not gone back. You handled that better than I would have. |
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Post by toshtego on Nov 7, 2020 18:14:06 GMT -5
I have not been to a gun show in many years. They are far away from where I live. I recall the ones in California were a mixed group. Some knowledgeable and polite vendors and some were complete asshats who were there just to try and lord over people.
Gun stores are not much better. We have one store in town run by a nice, helpful guy. A second store is strictly for rich Texans. If he does not know you, get out. The third is for Vato Gang Bangers. His store is burgled about once each year. Somehow, he is allowed to stay in business.
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Got this under my bed in case of gun failure, believe me Imknow how to use it.
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