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Post by lestrout on Jan 14, 2021 0:01:39 GMT -5
Apparently, according to Sparks, when you pre-register (at least here in PA) for the COVID vaccination, signing up as a smoker, even 'just' a pipe smoker, puts you in a higher risk category. Thus you get to go to the head of the line.
This is ironic on at least a couple of levels.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jan 14, 2021 8:44:13 GMT -5
That's interesting. Will you fess up?
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 14, 2021 23:17:51 GMT -5
That's interesting as a European study found that cigarette smokers had much milder symptoms.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 15, 2021 0:16:30 GMT -5
And, I have read in the past that in the UK, professing smokers were put at the back of the list on things such as knee replacements and hips.
If they were so careless about their health, they did not deserve consideration.
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Post by exbenedict on Jan 15, 2021 22:40:01 GMT -5
Here in NY I JUST got registered today for mid February. They asked basic health and medication interaction questions but nothing about smoking.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 15, 2021 22:45:38 GMT -5
Wife and I got registered today too. No eta though. Went to the doctor Wednesday and when he came in and saw me wearing my mask, he said "you know those don't work, don't you?". I said "but everyone in your office is wearing one!". He said, "Strange, isn't it".
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Post by kxg on Jan 15, 2021 23:34:42 GMT -5
I got my first round of the Moderna Vaccine today, no questions about smoking. Thus far no I’ll effects from the vaccine. I’m grateful for the opportunity.
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Post by jay on Jan 16, 2021 16:33:08 GMT -5
Wife got her vaccination today, being a pharmacist and all. I get to wait until some unknown date in the future unless the national guard comes up with extra doses. This means she gets to do the grocery shopping for now...lol.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jan 16, 2021 18:03:03 GMT -5
Wife and I got registered today too. No eta though. Went to the doctor Wednesday and when he came in and saw me wearing my mask, he said "you know those don't work, don't you?". I said "but everyone in your office is wearing one!". He said, "Strange, isn't it". In March to about June last year there were news reports from our chief medical officer etc. saying repeatedly that masks don't work. And then, all of a sudden the whole thing changes and it's a necessity. It would be nice if they said, 'listen, we really don't know for sure - it's mostly guesswork, but you might as well try it in case it works.' I'd have more respect for that. |
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Post by Stearmandriver on Jan 16, 2021 19:19:57 GMT -5
The mask thing really isn't as contradictory or "unknown" as people make it out to be. The full story is pretty straightforward:
Early in the pandemic, the public was advised not to wear masks based on the concern of creating a PPE shortage for medical personnel, and an incomplete analysis of data.
It turns out that most western research had focused on the mask's ability to protect the wearer specifically, instead of their ability to slow the overall spread of disease. Research in Asia had taken a different approach and thus medical organizations there had recommended them for years. This is why, if you've done any traveling in the last 15 years (especially during flu season), you've likely seen Asian people wearing masks.
Once more comprehensive data analysis was done by organizations like the CDC and WHO, the value of masks in protecting the entire population was recognized, and thus the change in policy.
When I first received instruction credentials years ago, I was taught that learning is defined as "a change in behavior as a result of experience." It does not seem productive or logical to criticize experts who revise a position based on new data. That's pretty much how science works. As a human construct, it cannot be perfect, but it's the best we've come up with, demonstrably better than "gut feelings" and such.
A doctor not understanding how masks work... oh boy. Sure hope he's not a surgeon. 😉
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 16, 2021 19:48:52 GMT -5
Wife and I got registered today too. No eta though. Went to the doctor Wednesday and when he came in and saw me wearing my mask, he said "you know those don't work, don't you?". I said "but everyone in your office is wearing one!". He said, "Strange, isn't it". In March to about June last year there were news reports from our chief medical officer etc. saying repeatedly that masks don't work. And then, all of a sudden the whole thing changes and it's a necessity. It would be nice if they said, 'listen, we really don't know for sure - it's mostly guesswork, but you might as well try it in case it works.' I'd have more respect for that. That's the way I look at it. I wish the politicians would be honest with us. Wait. Sorry about the oxymoron. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 16, 2021 19:52:08 GMT -5
The mask thing really isn't as contradictory or "unknown" as people make it out to be. The full story is pretty straightforward: Early in the pandemic, the public was advised not to wear masks based on the concern of creating a PPE shortage for medical personnel, and an incomplete analysis of data. It turns out that most western research had focused on the mask's ability to protect the wearer specifically, instead of their ability to slow the overall spread of disease. Research in Asia had taken a different approach and thus medical organizations there had recommended them for years. This is why, if you've done any traveling in the last 15 years (especially during flu season), you've likely seen Asian people wearing masks. Once more comprehensive data analysis was done by organizations like the CDC and WHO, the value of masks in protecting the entire population was recognized, and thus the change in policy. When I first received instruction credentials years ago, I was taught that learning is defined as "a change in behavior as a result of experience." It does not seem productive or logical to criticize experts who revise a position based on new data. That's pretty much how science works. As a human construct, it cannot be perfect, but it's the best we've come up with, demonstrably better than "gut feelings" and such. A doctor not understanding how masks work... oh boy. Sure hope he's not a surgeon. 😉 I'll be sure to tell my M.D. that some guy who flies a plane in Washington says that he is stupid. Thanks, man, |
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Post by trailboss on Jan 17, 2021 0:04:00 GMT -5
I wear a mask as little as possible.
I respect the businesses that i visit and do so, but it is not uncommon for me to make pickups at vendors where not a single person is wearing a mask, but I am instructed to do so.
it is arbitrarily stupid in so many regards.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jan 17, 2021 3:28:18 GMT -5
The mask thing really isn't as contradictory or "unknown" as people make it out to be. The full story is pretty straightforward: Early in the pandemic, the public was advised not to wear masks based on the concern of creating a PPE shortage for medical personnel, and an incomplete analysis of data. It turns out that most western research had focused on the mask's ability to protect the wearer specifically, instead of their ability to slow the overall spread of disease. Research in Asia had taken a different approach and thus medical organizations there had recommended them for years. This is why, if you've done any traveling in the last 15 years (especially during flu season), you've likely seen Asian people wearing masks. Once more comprehensive data analysis was done by organizations like the CDC and WHO, the value of masks in protecting the entire population was recognized, and thus the change in policy. When I first received instruction credentials years ago, I was taught that learning is defined as "a change in behavior as a result of experience." It does not seem productive or logical to criticize experts who revise a position based on new data. That's pretty much how science works. As a human construct, it cannot be perfect, but it's the best we've come up with, demonstrably better than "gut feelings" and such. A doctor not understanding how masks work... oh boy. Sure hope he's not a surgeon. 😉 I completely get that. All I'm saying is that it would be nice if they even told the public that in their announcement. Over here it went straight from 'masks don't work' to 'you must wear a mask'. A small addition of 'after more research, we now realise that there is a benefit to wearing masks, therefore you must wear a mask' would, in my opinion, have helped the public understand. As a scientist, I understood, but many were confused. |
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Post by jay on Jan 17, 2021 15:34:41 GMT -5
As the Dread Pirate Roberts said, "I like masks. I find them remarkably comfortable."
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Post by instymp on Jan 17, 2021 16:24:47 GMT -5
If masks don't work, why do pathologists wear them preforming autopsies?
They certainly are not concerned about passing their germs to the patient.
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Post by Darin on Jan 17, 2021 16:50:24 GMT -5
For the smell.  |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 17, 2021 17:27:13 GMT -5
And bacteria.
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Post by calabash on Jan 17, 2021 18:27:11 GMT -5
Our governor has announced my age group will move up to group 1b. Maybe get a chance for vaccine in the next month or so.
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Post by urbino on Jan 17, 2021 18:33:39 GMT -5
I probably should start looking into some of this stuff. Sometimes I forget I'm in my 50s, now, and don't hear things directed at my age group as directed at me.
I think I may very well have had COVID, already, though. Jan. and Feb. and into early March of last year, I had some kind of cough I just could not get rid of. Coughed so hard I bruised a couple ribs.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 17, 2021 22:01:51 GMT -5
I probably should start looking into some of this stuff. Sometimes I forget I'm in my 50s, now, and don't hear things directed at my age group as directed at me. I think I may very well have had COVID, already, though. Jan. and Feb. and into early March of last year, I had some kind of cough I just could not get rid of. Coughed so hard I bruised a couple ribs. I thought I had it too. Had all the symptoms, but the antibody test said no. That's when I started getting scared. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Jan 19, 2021 23:24:17 GMT -5
The mask thing really isn't as contradictory or "unknown" as people make it out to be. The full story is pretty straightforward: Early in the pandemic, the public was advised not to wear masks based on the concern of creating a PPE shortage for medical personnel, and an incomplete analysis of data. It turns out that most western research had focused on the mask's ability to protect the wearer specifically, instead of their ability to slow the overall spread of disease. Research in Asia had taken a different approach and thus medical organizations there had recommended them for years. This is why, if you've done any traveling in the last 15 years (especially during flu season), you've likely seen Asian people wearing masks. Once more comprehensive data analysis was done by organizations like the CDC and WHO, the value of masks in protecting the entire population was recognized, and thus the change in policy. When I first received instruction credentials years ago, I was taught that learning is defined as "a change in behavior as a result of experience." It does not seem productive or logical to criticize experts who revise a position based on new data. That's pretty much how science works. As a human construct, it cannot be perfect, but it's the best we've come up with, demonstrably better than "gut feelings" and such. A doctor not understanding how masks work... oh boy. Sure hope he's not a surgeon. 😉 I'll be sure to tell my M.D. that some guy who flies a plane in Washington says that he is stupid. Thanks, man, What do they call the person who's last in their class at West Point? The Class Goat. What do they call a doctor who graduates last in their class? (Just had to add that. There's a lot of dumbass people out there - including doctors) |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jan 20, 2021 9:36:27 GMT -5
As the Dread Pirate Roberts said, "I like masks. I find them remarkably comfortable." We're getting a lot of milage from the Princess Bride. lol |
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Post by oldcajun123 on Jan 20, 2021 9:52:55 GMT -5
 Heard they were revamping the Vacine list and asking Democrat or Republican, one party will have a long wait.!9 
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Post by briarbuck on Jan 20, 2021 10:42:40 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious that people are picking it up outside, bringing it back and then the major damage is being done inside the home. It's not possible to get people to quarantine while at home.
The only way to really stop this is through forced contract tracing. That's how the China got compliance. That will not work in the US. Like any Natural Disaster, this is not a controllable situation.
It is what it is. Need to get people with issues vaccinated and get back to life.
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Post by calabash on Jan 20, 2021 17:10:33 GMT -5
Heard they were revamping the Vacine list and asking Democrat or Republican, one party will have a long wait.!9 That's OK. One party will likely refuse to get it anyway. Win/win. |
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Post by urbino on Jan 20, 2021 18:29:42 GMT -5
As the Dread Pirate Roberts said, "I like masks. I find them remarkably comfortable." We're getting a lot of milage from the Princess Bride. lol As we should. |
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Post by trailboss on Jan 20, 2021 23:05:45 GMT -5
It’s all good.
A person I know that has been working on operation warp speed was notified today by an executive directive that it will now be referred to as “operation”.
I am sure that from here on out the media will be breathless on how well everything is being conducted to fight the virus.
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Post by calabash on Jan 21, 2021 5:13:11 GMT -5
It’s all good. A person I know that has been working on operation warp speed was notified today by an executive directive that it will now be referred to as “operation”. I am sure that from here on out the media will be breathless on how well everything is being conducted to fight the virus. It should have been called 'Operation One Quarter Impulse' (Shout out to Star Trek fans) |
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Heard they were revamping the Vacine list and asking Democrat or Republican, one party will have a long wait.!9 
