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Post by puffy on Feb 5, 2021 21:51:55 GMT -5
My question is this..If they raise wages do they get by with less help or do they raise prices?..If they raise prices life gets harder for those who didn't get a raise.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 5, 2021 22:00:24 GMT -5
My question is this..If they raise wages do they get by with less help or do they raise prices?..If they raise prices life gets harder for those who didn't get a raise. The stores will either resort to fewer employees, in the case of fast food all orders will be placed at a kiosk. If the cost of business runs higher, it gets passed on to the consumer. |
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Post by CrustyCat on Feb 6, 2021 3:26:41 GMT -5
There are people "working" in the cities that it would be worth paying them to stay home. A lot of people aren't worth minimum wage. Almost every person who starts at minimum wage is increased to a living wage as soon as they prove their worth. I know that people who work for McDonald's in the Houston area are making closer to $20 an hour after 18 months. If they raise the minimum wage to $15, a lot of people will never get a chance. The one exception that I know of is child and adult daycare. My wife is a consultant for these business. They are all subsidized through the USDA food program and the pay is so low that there is literally no money to pay $15. The government audits the heck out of these businesses. Some owners only take a draw a couple of times a year and live off of their spouses income. Without the subsidy the parents can't afford daycare at all. Same for the old folks. The workers are still making minimum wage after decades of service. They are the invisible unsung heros. Yup. My wife is a caregiver for the elderly. Has been for most of her adult working life. It's how I met her. She was my Mom's caregiver when she was still alive. A lot of these private assisted living companies charge the residents thousands of dollars per month for care, and cry if they pay you 15.00 hour. I did that work previously, for 6 years, until my wife talked me into getting the job I have now. I still miss the residents I used to take care of and they still ask my wife how I'm doing, so it makes me feel good that they still think of me. |
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Post by CrustyCat on Feb 6, 2021 3:31:41 GMT -5
In my town there is a regular Walmart and one that only sells groceries..They both just eliminated their cashiers..Self check out only..The machines don't except cash..If you don't have plastic you can't buy anything..I'm just happy that there's a lot of other places in town for me to shop..Places that show a little respect for folks who don't want to be made feel like sheep being herded. We have one of the Walmarts that does both groceries and other stuff, but not one of the really big ones. They have put in the self checkout kiosks and the longer line with the conveyor. They are ok if you only have a few items, it becomes a hassle if you have a lot of stuff. Usually someone standing around if you want to buy liquor they have to scan the machine. Also a separate checkout where all the tobacco stuff is, manned by a clerk. |
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Post by fadingdaylight on Feb 6, 2021 10:42:36 GMT -5
!975-1978 I worked bagging groceries at McConnell AFB Commissary in Wichita Kansas through my high school years on Saturdays. We received no wage, it was tips only, and the active duty and veteran shoppers knew that was the case. The cashiers were civil servants I believe.
On a good day, I could make $80.00 cash which was better than what I could make with my limited skill set at that point in time at a job off base, but I knew that Customer service was supreme, and eggs did not get broken, no bread smashed, and groceries were segregated according to the temps that they were sold at, customer was treated like a king. That was free market at work, and at least at that point in time it worked well. The consumer directly paid the worker on merit...it cut out the middleman, and shopper and employee were happy with the arrangement. Also cut out the "expletive" taxman! |
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Post by bigwoolie on Feb 6, 2021 13:13:31 GMT -5
Capitalism or Socialism, Republic or Democracy, all of them have the same underlying weakness. The morality and character of the people engaged. America was great as long as America was good. As we loose our goodness as a people, so goes our greatness as a nation. After a certain point, the economic or political system we employ becomes irrelevant.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 6, 2021 13:24:45 GMT -5
Capitalism or Socialism, Republic or Democracy, all of them have the same underlying weakness. The morality and character of the people engaged. America was great as long as America was good. As we loose our goodness as a people, so goes our greatness as a nation. After a certain point, the economic or political system we employ becomes irrelevant. Amen! |
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 6, 2021 13:35:01 GMT -5
My question is this..If they raise wages do they get by with less help or do they raise prices?..If they raise prices life gets harder for those who didn't get a raise. It's called inflation. Are you willing to spend your life at the same wage? |
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Post by trailboss on Feb 6, 2021 17:59:10 GMT -5
Capitalism or Socialism, Republic or Democracy, all of them have the same underlying weakness. The morality and character of the people engaged. America was great as long as America was good. As we loose our goodness as a people, so goes our greatness as a nation. After a certain point, the economic or political system we employ becomes irrelevant. Succinctly well said. I spend a lot of time around family and my employer, how I conduct myself determines whether I have gained respect from both parties and I choose to leave a legacy behind. Having said that with my last clock punch, I will be forgotten in short order, not so much with family and friends.In the political realm, academia, entertainment, etc... a lot of navel gazing takes place and in the current culture, it is sadly celebrated and promoted. Not tooting my own horn mind you, I think most of my brothers and sisters of the briar are in the same league. |
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Post by instymp on Feb 6, 2021 18:12:12 GMT -5
If I still owned our business & had to pay $15 min wage to new unexperienced hire, I would feel obligated to raise existing employees wages to be fair to them.
All would be passed along to customers to keep doors open.
BTW. I rarely hired someone at minimum wage, always paid more than most of my competitors.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Feb 6, 2021 18:28:57 GMT -5
 Dewayne said it best about goodness, ain’t much around any more.
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Post by toshtego on Feb 6, 2021 18:30:06 GMT -5
Capitalism or Socialism, Republic or Democracy, all of them have the same underlying weakness. The morality and character of the people engaged. America was great as long as America was good. As we loose our goodness as a people, so goes our greatness as a nation. After a certain point, the economic or political system we employ becomes irrelevant. So true. It is about values. Greed and selfishness has replaced charity and kindness. |
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 6, 2021 22:43:57 GMT -5
It is all about greed the big boys bought every thing up and pay wages from the 1980s. 47% of the world’s wealth is controlled by the top 1% and last time I checked there were 700 billionaires in the United States. Wally World never saved anyone a dime with products made just for them of questionable quality sold by team members who qualify for food stamps. YMMV
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Post by trailboss on Feb 6, 2021 23:00:43 GMT -5
It is all about greed the big boys bought every thing up and pay wages from the 1980s. 47% of the world’s wealth is controlled by the top 1% and last time I checked there were 700 billionaires in the United States. Wally World never saved anyone a dime with products made just for them of questionable quality sold by team members who qualify for food stamps. YMMV It is funny you should say that, after leaving my last job the current one offered pay that was a few bucks over what I made in 1989, even collecting a pension, I am not willing to drive a rig and be subject to the responsibilities inherent in that regard. I withdrew my application and they ponied up to a fair price. Yesterday I delivered pipe to a custom home that will sell for 40 million, and there are hundreds of homes in that area at the same price point. Sadly, there are people that agree to work for chump change, and the proponents of unfettered immigration and open borders are all the happier to keep the game rigged. Sadly the unions that profess to support the skilled workers and boast about "made in the USA" support the nonsense. The game is rigged. |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Feb 7, 2021 15:00:07 GMT -5
Capitalism or Socialism, Republic or Democracy, all of them have the same underlying weakness. The morality and character of the people engaged. America was great as long as America was good. As we loose our goodness as a people, so goes our greatness as a nation. After a certain point, the economic or political system we employ becomes irrelevant. So true. It is about values. Greed and selfishness has replaced charity and kindness.Yup...and that is why we are in the mess we are in. |
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 7, 2021 16:35:32 GMT -5
As I read my history books I find more examples of greed and selfishness than charity and kindness. Even in American history. I think human nature is human nature and will likely never change. I think those who believe things have changed for the better or the worse are looking at the world through narrow lenses of self justification.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Feb 7, 2021 17:58:12 GMT -5
Do not say, “Why were the old days better than these?” For it is not wise to ask such questions.
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Post by urbino on Feb 7, 2021 18:27:24 GMT -5
Do not say, “Why were the old days better than these?” For it is not wise to ask such questions. "The good old days weren't always good. Tomorrow's not as bad as it seems." |
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 7, 2021 19:07:39 GMT -5
There is a meanness in the land and it doesn’t look like a self-healing disease.
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Post by Gypo on Feb 7, 2021 20:10:38 GMT -5
Well I can say there is kindness on the patch and that is what matters.
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 7, 2021 20:38:34 GMT -5
Well I can say there is kindness on the patch and that is what matters. Why can’t everyone just be like us? Huh? |
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Post by zambini on Feb 9, 2021 12:31:35 GMT -5
I've never known anyone to get a raise. Either you switch jobs or you get, at most, the government raises the minimum wage and (common in Mexico) all wages based on daily equivalents of the minimum wage increase as well. I can't imagine anyone would ever offer you more to do the same thing you're already willing and able to do at the current rate.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 9, 2021 12:39:26 GMT -5
I've never known anyone to get a raise. Either you switch jobs or you get, at most, the government raises the minimum wage and (common in Mexico) all wages based on daily equivalents of the minimum wage increase as well. I can't imagine anyone would ever offer you more to do the same thing you're already willing and able to do at the current rate. I've gotten raises at every place I've ever worked. You just have to show that you are worth it. |
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Post by puffy on Feb 9, 2021 13:13:08 GMT -5
If you're not getting any raises and prices keep going up life isn't getting any easier for you..
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Post by toshtego on Feb 9, 2021 14:40:12 GMT -5
I've never known anyone to get a raise. Either you switch jobs or you get, at most, the government raises the minimum wage and (common in Mexico) all wages based on daily equivalents of the minimum wage increase as well. I can't imagine anyone would ever offer you more to do the same thing you're already willing and able to do at the current rate. I've gotten raises at every place I've ever worked. You just have to show that you are worth it. Sadly, that is not the way the world always works. Office politics and the buddy system have as much to do with it as the quality of work. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 9, 2021 14:43:26 GMT -5
If you're not getting any raises and prices keep going up life isn't getting any easier for you.. People need to take responsibility for their own lives. If you don't get a raise, then you need to go somewhere else. If you can't do that, then you need to examine your life and make such changes as are appropriate, or be content to stay a bottom feeder. All people are not equal. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 9, 2021 14:46:39 GMT -5
I've gotten raises at every place I've ever worked. You just have to show that you are worth it. Sadly, that is not the way the world always works. Office politics and the buddy system have as much to do with it as the quality of work. That's true, but it is up to you to do something about it. Or scream at the sky about how unfair everything is. If you settle for a participation trophy, then you can't complain about not being the team leader. Life isn't fair and it's not going to be. |
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Post by zambini on Feb 9, 2021 16:40:21 GMT -5
If you're not getting any raises and prices keep going up life isn't getting any easier for you.. People need to take responsibility for their own lives. If you don't get a raise, then you need to go somewhere else. If you can't do that, then you need to examine your life and make such changes as are appropriate, or be content to stay a bottom feeder. All people are not equal. My experience has been that switching companies is the easiest way to get a raise. While I guess that there are documented cases of the bag boy becoming the CEO, I can't imagine it's a winning strategy for most people or companies. |
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Post by trailboss on Feb 9, 2021 17:09:05 GMT -5
My brother was in charge of the labs at a huge Silicon Valley firm and he was always networking with good employees that he knew from the past to bring them on board.
The really good performers would often tell him..."I am willing to accept what they offer, even though it is less than I want, but after I come on board they will see my worth and pay me commensurately."
His advice to these top performers (off the record), "No they won't. Once they have you, they have you...you need to go balls out on what you are worth, come in here, perform like a rock star and let them know that you know your worth, but be prepared to move on at any time in the future when you determine that it is in your best interest...the friggin bean counters are a royal pain in the A$$."
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 9, 2021 17:19:21 GMT -5
The thing is that all companies are different, and the really big companies are the worst. The decision makers don't know you well enough to make an exception from overall company policy. But most people work for small companies where they can be appreciated. I turned down a position at American General Insurance because I didn't like the corporate climate. Working for a company like that would require a significant premium over what I would accept to work for a smaller company. In every job I had, I knew the owner/ceo or I was the owner. If you get stuck because of office politics, that's on you.
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Dewayne said it best about goodness, ain’t much around any more.
