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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 18:26:11 GMT -5
I saw a thread somewhere online where a guy pressed his own bar of tobacco, using a homemade box press. He sprayed sugar water on the leaves as he stuffed them in the press. I don't recall how long it took, but some time later he had a nice block of tobacco. Seemed to like how it smoked too. I have a friend whose brother is a North Carolina tobacco grower. He is going to set aside a bunch of leaves for me, from different stages of harvest. I am hoping to do a pressing with some of that. Not sure what kind of tobacco he grows. I would guess Burley or Virginia. I might use a little sugar water on it, but would keep it pretty straight. I can work on a press design while awaiting the tobacco. Any advice or suggestions?
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Post by papipeguy on Mar 7, 2017 19:05:06 GMT -5
That's a cool project, Don. I believe St. Valentine also pressed his own lugs so I hope he has some comments and advice for you. Keep us posted.
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Post by Motto on Mar 7, 2017 19:06:50 GMT -5
Hi Don see my thread for some ideas.
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Post by stvalentine on Mar 8, 2017 15:18:46 GMT -5
Oh yeah, been there, done that. Of course like in everything people have their own ideas and methods how to proceed. First thing to know it that the professionals use a lot of steam and hydraulic presses with up to 50 tons. And of course there´s a reason for that. So all we can do is trying to get near. Using simple tools I had some good results in the past. Talking about pressure: Some people use a vice or clamps together with wooden or PVC form. I personally don´t believe you can achieve anything more than a loose crumble cake with such a equipment. On the other hand there is not enough room for a 50 ton press in my basement too. What you can get cheap on Ebay are hydraulic bench presses and I started with a six ton press. I made myself a form that would resist that kind of pressure out of a 2" stainless steel tube and two brass blocks that fit in the tube. I cover those blocks with backing paper. By moistening the tobacco with any media you like you add the "glue" to it. Don´t overdo this, otherwise you have a sticky mess coming out through the gaps of your form (ask me how I know this). For getting something near a plug you need to keep it under pressure for at least two weeks, better longer. Right now I have another mixture in the press and will let you all know how it came out this weekend. Here´s the rig:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 16:05:36 GMT -5
Thanks Frank. Very curious to see how the current batch comes out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 16:14:05 GMT -5
Don word of caution, I f you are going to make a form for pressing plugs make sure you use a good hardwood.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 16:22:56 GMT -5
Will do. I have maple, ash and oak as well as osage orange. Leaning towards the oak.
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Post by stvalentine on Mar 20, 2017 12:09:39 GMT -5
After having a mixture of VA, Per and a bit of booze in my 6-ton press for about four weeks I opened it up today to see the results. It has roughly the size of a hockey puck and feels quite hard so I assume it came out as a plug. Still needs a bit of drying but cutting it will reveal if it is only a kake or a plug. It smells heavily of the liqueur I was using - yummy! I was quite generous with the Per and I hope it will not knock me down!
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Post by Lady Margaret on Mar 20, 2017 13:45:31 GMT -5
wow! looks great.
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Post by trailboss on Mar 20, 2017 14:29:11 GMT -5
Wow Frank, that looks great!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 14:30:12 GMT -5
Awesome Frank! Looks like it is very dense. Curious to see how it smokes for you. Are you going to slice it?
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Post by stvalentine on Mar 20, 2017 14:35:16 GMT -5
I will let it sit for a day or two and then try to cut it. It seems indeed quite dense and I think the four weeks of pressing time did it. I wasn´t too generous with the liqueur this time which helps.
Right now I am smoking a crumble cake I made last year. It is more dark and has a liqueur topping too - delicious!
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Post by papipeguy on Mar 21, 2017 8:43:11 GMT -5
That looks great, Frank. I can't wait to see it sliced.
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Post by daveinlax on Mar 21, 2017 10:24:32 GMT -5
Still needs a bit of drying but cutting it will reveal if it is only a kake or a plug. You'll need whole leaf to make a plug but this is a great looking Kake! I make a cigar mixture but I just use a humble bean can and a C-clamp to press it. I don't add any liquid and after a week or so under pressure it comes out solid.
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Post by Justin on Mar 21, 2017 18:10:43 GMT -5
Don, I too, have a word of caution and it's only in the sugar water. My concern here is mold and lung health. As a mixologist of ejuice, we use sucralose dissolved in propylene glycol or ethyl maltol dissolved in propylene glycol in order to obtain the sweet taste and to eliminate the mold risk. Vaping sugars is a no-no because of the risk to the lungs. I know most of us try not to inhale, but please be careful with sweetening. My best suggestion if you want to case, is to get some Lorann Candy Oil (also propylene glycol and prohibits mold) and start with a few drops. You can toss your baccy like a salad with it, but only a few drops at first. Hope this helps,
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Post by Justin on Mar 21, 2017 19:12:07 GMT -5
The general idea is that if it's safe enough to eat, it's safe for smoking/vaping. I'm no scientist and try to play it safe with what I inhale. I did find this www.bullcityflavors.com/sweetener-tfa/ as a really safe bet to sweeten tobacco for smoking. I imagine if asked, Jeremy from Cornell and Diehl would confirm what I'm saying, as their home mixing kit comes with the candy flavoring.
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Post by jitterbugdude on Mar 22, 2017 5:58:42 GMT -5
I think you are blowing this a little bit out of proportion. Flue cured tobaccos (aka Virginia) typically have about 22% dextrose in their leaf while Burley has less that .2%. So adding a reducing sugar to a Burley would only mimic the characteristics of a Virginia which is to lower the pH as the leaf burns, providing a smoother smoke. There's not much benefit to adding sugar to a Virginia. Mold is not an issue if you understand moisture levels in your tobacco. A moisture meter goes a long way to help understanding.
As for adding flavorings LorAnn oils is good but you should get the Emulsion based flavors, not the typical alcohol based. The alcohol based will burn off leaving you with not much flavor. The emulsion, being water based will not evaporate as quickly as the alcohol based so you'd get more flavor.
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Post by antb on Mar 22, 2017 6:22:12 GMT -5
And if you REALLY want to get into it, take a look here: link
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Post by sparks on Mar 22, 2017 7:22:38 GMT -5
One would not be led astray by Randy when it comes to tobacco blending. I have found him to be quite knowledgeable.
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Post by Justin on Mar 22, 2017 14:42:34 GMT -5
I'm sure I did blow it out of proportion, but I'm still playing it safe and will not smoke sugar if I can help it. I do not feel it's safe, whether or not others think it is, is irrelevant to me. Thanks, though, for your thoughts, I was only trying to warn him as some don't know it's bad for you.
The RJ Reynold's book is cool too, but as we know, they don't care if we get cancer.
Why didn't the Native American Indians get cancer from tobacco inhalation? They probably didn't add anything (additives (like what big tobacco uses)/casings) to their tobaccos.
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Post by Baboo on Mar 22, 2017 14:56:37 GMT -5
Tap water is also not advisable, particularly if drawn from a city or township reservoir... fluoride.
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Post by Darin on Mar 22, 2017 15:18:17 GMT -5
+1 ... also check out all the forum pages at Fair Trade Tobacco and How to Grow Tobacco.
Endless amounts of info await your perusal!
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Post by stvalentine on Mar 22, 2017 15:37:33 GMT -5
I just add fluids to act as a bonding agent. I can only press with about six tons and don´t add steam so in order for the plug/Kake hold together I have to add something. My last experiment will show if the liqueur can be tasted at all (will try it on the weekend). I would be quite reluctant about vaping oils. The feeling that someday someone will find out that they are not safe at all prevails.....
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Post by Justin on Mar 22, 2017 16:28:22 GMT -5
Frank, I agree it's better to play it safe. I hate to say this though, but you are probably already smoking those candy flavorings in your aro's now. It's just the vaping industry used the same candy flavorings because the tobacco industry did so long before them for flavor. My example here is Captain Black, we American's generally start with that as a first tobacco and it's done so with chocolate emulsified with propylene glycol (pg). PG is also the main ingredient used to slow the burn of tobacco (FSC cigarette in America as an example). PS. I would never smoke or recommend smoking a vaping ejuice. It's formulated with Vegetable Glycerine and I'm positive that won't burn well. Not to mention, you'd be adding nicotine (if equipped, lol) to nicotine. No thank you, sir.
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Post by stvalentine on Mar 22, 2017 16:50:37 GMT -5
...that´s why I don´t smoke aros! Ok, at least not the heavily flavoured ones.
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Post by Justin on Mar 22, 2017 17:07:43 GMT -5
One more thing for clarification and I'm done I promise, just want the information to be correct for safety purposes as this is a resource. I'm not referencing flavoring EXTRACTS. Those have water and/or alcohol and are weaker in flavor. Those your Momma used to make pound cakes with. The liquids I'm talking about are the concentrates from Lorann, Capella, Flavor West, etc. and they contain only the flavor in propylene glycol. They are made to flavor candy, tobacco, coffee, and eliquid, not foods.
I would also guess that if you goofed and used the water/alcohol based extracts, that you could let the alcohol evaporate off as part of that moisture control understanding. It would still be weak and probably nasty in the end, but experience is a great teacher. You could also reduce the flavoring with low heat to evaporate it, like what is commonly done with rum casings. Some folks heat the alcohol off prior to tobacco indroduction, while others let the tobacco steep submerged while letting it air to evaporate the alcohol then press at a specific time to still retain the moisture added from the flavoring. I still can't recommend using an extract for flavoring anything but foods. Use the proper concentrate, please.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 18:49:17 GMT -5
I have decided to let the press idea go. Too many better uses of my time and not enough hours in the day as it is. Thanks for the feedback.
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Post by stvalentine on Mar 27, 2017 14:20:34 GMT -5
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Post by stvalentine on Mar 27, 2017 14:46:32 GMT -5
Short update: I have smoked a bowl right to the end and there was no hint of harshness or bitter tastes. I am quite impressed!
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Post by trailboss on Mar 27, 2017 16:56:59 GMT -5
Don, I too, have a word of caution and it's only in the sugar water. My concern here is mold and lung health. Make sure that you check out the Mark Ryan thread as he talks about how the moisture content affects mold...I know that that is a no-brainer, but his perspective is worth listening to. thebriarpatchforum.com/thread/1000/mark-ryan-talks-tobacco
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