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Post by oldcajun123 on Feb 18, 2021 14:13:01 GMT -5
You want Cows do you, well damnit have a barn or shelter they can get out the weather, cows in Texas ears are freeezing , also in Louisiana, Farmer by me has a big herd, no shelter, oughta be a dam law, you have animals you care for them. There I’m finished!  |
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Post by puffy on Feb 18, 2021 14:51:41 GMT -5
Right On
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 18, 2021 15:03:49 GMT -5
The ranchers in South Texas may have more than 50k steers spread over as many acres.
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 18, 2021 17:21:06 GMT -5
Takes about 20-acres here to support a cow.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 18, 2021 18:43:54 GMT -5
The ranchers in South Texas may have more than 50k steers spread over as many acres. I have to agree with Ron. This is a highly unusual situation in the south, unprecedented I would say. No rancher would want to lose a single steer if they can help it, I get it with someone owning a dozen or so for meat and milk. Apples and Oranges. |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Feb 18, 2021 18:54:20 GMT -5
I'm with you, Oldcajun...and while it is unprecedented weather, they have been hearing about weather change so it is not unheard of to have this much freezing weather. If they have livestock they need to have shelter for them.
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Post by bigwoolie on Feb 18, 2021 19:12:17 GMT -5
I doubt if anyone on this forum has ever worked anywhere near the number of cattle I have, or covered the literal miles I have had to cover to do it. My very first job cowboying as a young man in Wyoming was calving over 200 pregnant cows in -25 degrees and snow. The cows were fine, the calves were fine and there was no way to build a barn that big. While I have tremendous respect for my elders on here, and applaud the concern they have for all of nature, animals have lived out in the elements and inclement weather long before man ever domesticated them. They were designed by God to live life as an animal. Treating them as anything else is not practical, natural or doable.
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Post by toshtego on Feb 18, 2021 19:16:47 GMT -5
Here I built a barn for my cattle and they used it in Winter.
No one would imagine needing such shelter in Texas.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 18, 2021 19:29:24 GMT -5
I doubt if anyone on this forum has ever worked anywhere near the number of cattle I have, or covered the literal miles I have had to cover to do it. My very first job cowboying as a young man in Wyoming was calving over 200 pregnant cows in -25 degrees and snow. The cows were fine, the calves were fine and there was no way to build a barn that big. While I have tremendous respect for my elders on here, and applaud the concern they have for all of nature, animals have lived out in the elements and inclement weather long before man ever domesticated them. They were designed by God to live life as an animal. Treating them as anything else is not practical, natural or doable. I have certainly never worked cattle, but working on Oklahoma farms in the 70’s where they had cattle also, hauling swinging beef before it went to boxed, I worked in the industry and know that what Dewayne says is spot on. |
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Post by toshtego on Feb 18, 2021 19:57:41 GMT -5
I doubt if anyone on this forum has ever worked anywhere near the number of cattle I have, or covered the literal miles I have had to cover to do it. My very first job cowboying as a young man in Wyoming was calving over 200 pregnant cows in -25 degrees and snow. The cows were fine, the calves were fine and there was no way to build a barn that big. While I have tremendous respect for my elders on here, and applaud the concern they have for all of nature, animals have lived out in the elements and inclement weather long before man ever domesticated them. They were designed by God to live life as an animal. Treating them as anything else is not practical, natural or doable. I think you are expecting a lot from cattle to survive and to calf successfully in those conditions without shelter. They were not bred for those conditions, even Scottish Cattle. That you did not have die off is remarkable. We loose plenty here in conditions milder than you described. I mean no criticism, just have a different opinion about cows. Mine survived -35 degree conditions here. I used to get them up at Dawn and moving so they would not stick to the ground. LOL! |
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 18, 2021 20:28:38 GMT -5
I grew up around cows my friends own and run cattle yet none of them are reporting frozen cattle. Despite the cool temps it never got cold cold you know -20 -30. No sir cattle are not sheep that you can freeze after the fall shearing but then sheep are born looking for a place to die. Frozen livestock in +20 degree weather  |
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 18, 2021 20:42:36 GMT -5
I have only my own observations... Out here nobody builds barns for cattle. Wouldn’t make sense, even if it was ‘necessary.’ What’s a man going to do with a barn big enough for 5-600 cattle the rest of the year? Hold rock concerts? What they DO do is build N/NW shelters, often just sunk poles and sheet metal. Or, they pile up big bales as wind-breaks. Critters are a lot more resilient than we might imagine. After all this sub-zero weather and snow, ALL of the deer that are coming thru my place these days are fat and healthy. No way any of us featherlless bipeds would be nearly as good.
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Post by toshtego on Feb 18, 2021 20:45:36 GMT -5
I have only my own observations... Out here nobody builds barns for cattle. Wouldn’t make sense, even if it was ‘necessary.’ What’s a man going to do with a barn big enough for 5-600 cattle the rest of the year? Hold rock concerts? What they DO do is build N/NW shelters, often just sunk poles and sheet metal. Or, they pile up big bales as wind-breaks. Critters are a lot more resilient than we might imagine. After all this sub-zero weather and snow, ALL of the deer that are coming thru my place these days are fat and healthy. No way any of us featherlless bipeds would be nearly as good. Deer and elk bury themselves deep in brush. At least they do here. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 18, 2021 20:47:57 GMT -5
My friends only have longhorns now. No special attention required as long as they get hand fed snacks. Place just up the road has a couple of hundred cattle and a hay barn that could hold about a quarter. I don't know if they are OK or not, but I also don't know what he could have done. Up until a week ago they were laying around in the sun. In the summer they lay under the trees. The capacity here is 1-3 acres per AU. The 200 cattle are on a 650 acre place.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 18, 2021 20:54:29 GMT -5
The birds are absolutely going crazy here. They cleaned out the bird feeder days ago. We put a bowl on the front porch and they swarmed it. They made such a mess that we moved it out in the yard today and gave them the last of the seed we had. Don't know what else we can feed them until we can get out. I saw that the were staying up close to the house under bushs and stuff so I leaned some boards around every few feet. I don't think anyone wants to see any animal suffer.
A huge gray heron landed on the frozen pond and wandered around pecking at the ice for about 15 minutes before taking off.
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 18, 2021 20:59:57 GMT -5
Ron we are talking cows here not things shite on your car windshield.  |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 18, 2021 21:02:15 GMT -5
Ron we are talking cows here not things shite on your car windshield. I didn't mention you at all. |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Feb 18, 2021 21:12:21 GMT -5
What Dewayne says makes sense...and since I know absolutely nothing about livestock, I'll leave it to his good judgement and knowledge.
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Post by rdpipes on Feb 19, 2021 9:41:46 GMT -5
Just my 2 cents or less, Live stock I don't worry about, like Dewayne said, God made them to withstand the country he made them for and they were here before we. On the other hand Dogs might have but, after OUR crossbreeding them from wolves many do not have what it takes to stay outside in subfreezing weather or blistering heat. I've always wondered what kind of mentality would leave there dog out in that kind of weather because it seems many here do.I think if you care for and love your pets whether they be for hunting purposes and or as companions you would care enough to keep them from suffering. Even to make a well insulated shelter for them if there not wanted in the house. I don't see it here, most (but not all) treat them as if they were live stock or less. These are the people I believe should do stiff jail sentences (min.1year) and or made to live like the animals they abused. They were made by God for us and we are their caretakers not their torturers.
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 19, 2021 13:00:40 GMT -5
My dog kicks it in the house they have their own bed and blankets. What they don't have is crate or cage. If my dog is not welcome I aint staying long.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Feb 19, 2021 13:21:10 GMT -5
Dewayne makes a lot of sense, but there is a but, in a Texas the sun boils you, no shade, you can see cows huddled around scrub mystique trees, shelter doesn’t have to be enclosed , my neighbor has about b40 cows, drives to them in a brand new GMC Denali, no shelter, a lean to to stop the wind 2/3 thousand dollars, yes animals can cope, but again, there is a point when you need compassion . That’s all I was saying, not a tree hugger, have killed and burtchered many a animal. We need to do better.
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Post by rdpipes on Feb 19, 2021 16:59:44 GMT -5
Dewayne makes a lot of sense, but there is a but, in a Texas the sun boils you, no shade, you can see cows huddled around scrub mystique trees, shelter doesn’t have to be enclosed , my neighbor has about b40 cows, drives to them in a brand new GMC Denali, no shelter, a lean to to stop the wind 2/3 thousand dollars, yes animals can cope, but again, there is a point when you need compassion . That’s all I was saying, not a tree hugger, have killed and burtchered many a animal. We need to do better. I agree with you on that OC, there are many who say there just cattle and some don't even get fed or watered properly. Seen way too many live stock in poor condition because of the owners neglect or just stupidity.
Although I don't know how one could provide shelters economically for cattle on very large spreads.
And I don't know if I'm a tree huger but, if protecting animals and our God given natural resources from being used up by big business and just plain stupidity makes me one, then I reckon I am.
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 19, 2021 18:42:42 GMT -5
You don’t have to be a tree-hugger or any other kind of label to want decent treatment for animals of all kinds.
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