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Post by oldcajun123 on Feb 19, 2021 18:25:18 GMT -5
 Took his calf inside because it was freezing! 
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 19, 2021 18:27:17 GMT -5
What a dumb shite.
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 19, 2021 18:38:30 GMT -5
Nice carpet.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 19, 2021 19:13:25 GMT -5
Looks like someone is getting the coals ready.
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 19, 2021 19:24:49 GMT -5
Calf doesn't know veal's on the menu tonight.
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Post by terrapinflyer on Feb 20, 2021 8:34:02 GMT -5
You folks are colder than the polar vortex.
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 20, 2021 9:06:46 GMT -5
You folks are colder than the polar vortex. Nah. My eyes keep going to that lovely open-weave carpet. |
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Post by terrapinflyer on Feb 20, 2021 9:36:08 GMT -5
One could hardly blame you. Veal parm crossed my mind, but very, very briefly.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 20, 2021 9:40:10 GMT -5
Cattle have the best lives of all our food critters. You don't want to know how chickens and hogs are raised these days.
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 20, 2021 9:45:20 GMT -5
Cattle have the best lives of all our food critters. You don't want to know how chickens and hogs are raised these days. I’ve been on quite a few of both kinds of “farms” and your comment is dead on. |
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Post by RDPipes on Feb 20, 2021 9:50:05 GMT -5
I reckon by the sounds of it most of ya would have left it to freeze to death.
People wonder why I'm a hermit and this is why, no compassion.
To be perfectly honest, I'd leave a human (or at least what many consider human) outside to freeze before I did an animal.
Which I think are more humane then most people. You don't see animals trying to screw their neighbors.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 20, 2021 10:01:14 GMT -5
I reckon by the sounds of it most of ya would have left it to freeze to death. People wonder why I'm a hermit and this is why, no compassion. To be perfectly honest, I'd leave a human (or at least what many consider human) outside to freeze before I did an animal. Which I think are more humane then most people. You don't see animals trying to screw their neighbors. It's not that we don't care, but we recognize that in many cases it is just impossible. Beef cattle are raised in the open, except for the waygu cattle of Japan that have heated rooms with cushions. I don't want to pay a hundred dollars per pound for hamburger, no matter how delicious. |
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 20, 2021 10:05:04 GMT -5
I reckon by the sounds of it most of ya would have left it to freeze to death. People wonder why I'm a hermit and this is why, no compassion. To be perfectly honest, I'd leave a human (or at least what many consider human) outside to freeze before I did an animal. Which I think are more humane then most people. You don't see animals trying to screw their neighbors. With all due respect, that’s kind of a silly statement. There are many alternatives between leaving to freeze and bringing it into your living room. There’s a lot more to this touching picture. Like, where’s momma? Is there a garage? Got any old blankets? Etc. Compassion kinda evaporates when you talk about leaving a human out to feeze, doncha think? As for “screwing their neighbor,” ever been on a ranch in breeding season?  |
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Post by RDPipes on Feb 20, 2021 10:07:01 GMT -5
I reckon by the sounds of it most of ya would have left it to freeze to death. People wonder why I'm a hermit and this is why, no compassion. To be perfectly honest, I'd leave a human (or at least what many consider human) outside to freeze before I did an animal. Which I think are more humane then most people. You don't see animals trying to screw their neighbors. It's not that we don't care, but we recognize that in many cases it is just impossible. Beef cattle are raised in the open, except for the waygu cattle of Japan that have heated rooms with cushions. I don't want to pay a hundred dollars per pound for hamburger, no matter how delicious. Ron, I understand that, I would certainly not roam the range looking for freezing critters to bring them inside but, if by chance I find one I would certainly try and save it. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 20, 2021 10:09:50 GMT -5
It's not that we don't care, but we recognize that in many cases it is just impossible. Beef cattle are raised in the open, except for the waygu cattle of Japan that have heated rooms with cushions. I don't want to pay a hundred dollars per pound for hamburger, no matter how delicious. Ron, I understand that, I would certainly not roam the range looking for freezing critters to bring them inside but, if by chance I find one I would certainly try and save it. Well of course, who wouldn't? But he would be in the barn unless I was trying to make a viral internet meme. |
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Post by RDPipes on Feb 20, 2021 10:15:12 GMT -5
I reckon by the sounds of it most of ya would have left it to freeze to death. People wonder why I'm a hermit and this is why, no compassion. To be perfectly honest, I'd leave a human (or at least what many consider human) outside to freeze before I did an animal. Which I think are more humane then most people. You don't see animals trying to screw their neighbors. With all due respect, that’s kind of a silly statement. There are many alternatives between leaving to freeze and bringing it into your living room. There’s a lot more to this touching picture. Like, where’s momma? Is there a garage? Got any old blankets? Etc. Compassion kinda evaporates when you talk about leaving a human out to feeze, doncha think? As for “screwing their neighbor,” ever been on a ranch in breeding season? So he brought it into the house, he looks wealthy enough to afford any mess it makes. It's not bringing into the house, it's saving it by any means he had and he did and that's what matters here. And I should have expected someone to misconstrue the way I meant "Screw your neighbor". I think with just a little thought one can interpret what I meant. There's nothing in my previous statement that I wish to change, it reflects how I feel about how people treat each other nowadays and how self centered many of them are. I'll stay a hermit thank you. |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Feb 20, 2021 10:27:49 GMT -5
I'm probably just a silly old man, but I'm with you, Ron of RdPipes. I have more compassion for critters than I do for humans. I'm the kind of guy who slept on the floor with my dog when he was in a cast from a knee surgery. I wanted him to know that I really loved him and understood what pain he was going through.
Probably wouldn't have taken the calf into my living room...although I have to admit it probably would have been an improvement. Yeah, I'm with Ron...I prefer to be a hermit and have my friends through the Patch and on the internet.
By the way, beautiful home in the picture!
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Post by bigwoolie on Feb 20, 2021 10:32:00 GMT -5
The problem most often, for the animal is not physical. In certain conditions, a newborn calf, foal, lamb etc who has lost its momma in a blizzard and can’t be mothered up right away with a surrogate might need to be brought in momentarily. If mom did not lick the afterbirth off, then the critter is wet (this is bad) and the actual licking stimulates the circulation. You find them half frozen at birth without that initial head-start, they might need a quick boost to catch them up. That’s not the problem.
The problem is when the human becomes emotionally attached, names them, doesn’t get them right back outside as soon as is safe for the critter, the critter doesn’t ever get the chance to just be a cow. Or a horse. They grow up to be 800-2000lb spoiled pets who were not imbued with the instinct of pets, animals without boundaries or the natural mindset needed to be what they ARE.
Get the half-dead critter in out of the weather (the barn is sufficient for most applications), and get it on a thick bed of clean, dry straw. Rub it very vigorously with a thick towel too dry it off and get the circulation going. Get it’s belly full of warm milk and then let nature do it’s work. We meddle to much sometimes, and end up making them weaker and forever dependent on us.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Feb 20, 2021 10:35:14 GMT -5
Once again...Bigwoolie is spot on!
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 20, 2021 10:57:40 GMT -5
Tempest in a teapot. I don’t know the provenance of the photo, but ti seems an obvious piece of trollery— and it worked! It may have been meant as a joke, like “Look at how dumb!” Or maybe it was a self-promoting “Look at how kind I am!” thing. I don’t know. of course, but I suspect one or the other. At any rate, the calf looks to be in pretty good shape which is a good thing either way. No one who is not a psychopath would refuse to do what they could for an animal in distress, least of all those who raise them for a living. Acting otherwise is just creating straw men.
Final word from me— RD Ron makes absolutely fantastic pipes!
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Post by oldcajun123 on Feb 20, 2021 11:11:51 GMT -5
Right on Men, didn’t want a 💩storm, just wanted different opinions, Dewayne is the voice of experience and every situation is different. I value all of the men on this forum. So much life experience on this forum. A nugget in the world of darkness. In the words of the hippies I LOVE YOU MAN!
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 20, 2021 11:47:31 GMT -5
The problem most often, for the animal is not physical. In certain conditions, a newborn calf, foal, lamb etc who has lost its momma in a blizzard and can’t be mothered up right away with a surrogate might need to be brought in momentarily. If mom did not lick the afterbirth off, then the critter is wet (this is bad) and the actual licking stimulates the circulation. You find them half frozen at birth without that initial head-start, they might need a quick boost to catch them up. That’s not the problem. The problem is when the human becomes emotionally attached, names them, doesn’t get them right back outside as soon as is safe for the critter, the critter doesn’t ever get the chance to just be a cow. Or a horse. They grow up to be 800-2000lb spoiled pets who were not imbued with the instinct of pets, animals without boundaries or the natural mindset needed to be what they ARE. Get the half-dead critter in out of the weather (the barn is sufficient for most applications), and get it on a thick bed of clean, dry straw. Rub it very vigorously with a thick towel too dry it off and get the circulation going. Get it’s belly full of warm milk and then let nature do it’s work. We meddle to much sometimes, and end up making them weaker and forever dependent on us. Word! You haven't lived until a 5 year old longhorn tries to crawl in your lap while you are sitting in the mule because she thinks you have more snacks in your pocket and she wants her ear scratches. 😮☠️ |
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Post by RDPipes on Feb 20, 2021 12:01:03 GMT -5
Yes, Dewayne made it clear for all I think. My intentions where not to name or coddle live stock but, just to save them from death
when the times brings itself. To have left it would not have been business wise or compassionate. Again, the photo was just a photo
and I seen it that way and seen what it was really about, saving an animal from possible death, period. I understand perfectly that we eat meat and were meant to eat meat but, it doesn't mean we don't have a little compassion and treat out animals properly otherwise who really is the animal?
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Post by bigwoolie on Feb 20, 2021 12:10:44 GMT -5
Yes, Dewayne made it clear for all I think. My intentions where not to name or coddle live stock but, just to save them from death when the times brings itself. To have left it would not have been business wise or compassionate. Again, the photo was just a photo and I seen it that way and seen what it was really about, saving an animal from possible death, period. I understand perfectly that we eat meat and were meant to eat meat but, it doesn't mean we don't have a little compassion and treat out animals properly otherwise who really is the animal? Ron, I agree 100%. It’s even Biblical, in Proverbs. 😊 “The righteous man regardeth the life of his beast”. |
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Post by RDPipes on Feb 20, 2021 12:11:41 GMT -5
Yes, Dewayne made it clear for all I think. My intentions where not to name or coddle live stock but, just to save them from death when the times brings itself. To have left it would not have been business wise or compassionate. Again, the photo was just a photo and I seen it that way and seen what it was really about, saving an animal from possible death, period. I understand perfectly that we eat meat and were meant to eat meat but, it doesn't mean we don't have a little compassion and treat out animals properly otherwise who really is the animal? Ron, I agree 100%. It’s even Biblical, in Proverbs. 😊 “The righteous man regardeth the life of his beast”. Amen sir! |
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Post by mrlunting on Feb 20, 2021 12:16:43 GMT -5
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 20, 2021 12:45:18 GMT -5
Tempest in a teapot. Animals should be humanely treated recognizing we do eat and they supply food. They are still living things and their time on earth should be treated respectfully. As for the picture, not knowing the motivation of the individual who posted it, it can be interesting, funny, or intended to raise a controversy. In any case, it's a well shot image and should go in a frame on the wall.
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 20, 2021 13:09:05 GMT -5
While we seem to be on the subject of “rescues,” I cannot resist an addition. Abandoned fawns. Something of an oxymoron because they are NOT abandoned in the vast majority of cases. Mom is there, relatively nearby, and probably watching you. Leave it be. The only danger it is in is from you. Pickups of such fawns almost invariably end badly. Mom is taking advantage of some time off— mostly to find food for herself so she can take care of her baby. She can do this pretty safely since fawns give off no scent. For a coyote or other predator to find it they have to actually stumble upon it. The urge to “save” such a sweet little critter can be almost overwhelming but you will do it no favor and will probably be delivering a death sentence. Back away and leave the area. Just a note from someone who has been there and done that more than once...
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 20, 2021 13:19:25 GMT -5
In spite of the shelters we set up and the food we put out, we found 2 frozen birds this morning. Bummer. Life is hard and Mother Nature is a bitch.
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Post by Darin on Feb 20, 2021 13:20:47 GMT -5
My old dog, Ruko, took down a good sized fawn and I had to cover it with my body to keep him off of it. Once it's eyes "deglazed", I held him by the collar and let it go. Don't even get me started on that boy and his hatred for skunks!
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Took his calf inside because it was freezing!
