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Post by CrustyCat on Mar 19, 2021 2:46:19 GMT -5
Well, I do know there was an English blend that I didn't like. Tasted weird. Probably Latakia.
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Post by Darin on Mar 19, 2021 14:22:52 GMT -5
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Post by mrlunting on Mar 20, 2021 2:14:56 GMT -5
I need to get to the bottom of this just for my own satisfaction.
Therefore an experiment. I have 4 pipes: An MM legend, a bulldog, a Canadian Andy yello bole. 2 deep narrow pipes, and 2 wider.
I am using SG firedance. A blend I have never tried (thus cannot be influenced by the blend).
Between each bowl, a slight break for food and drink.
I will record my results after each pipe today.
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Post by urbino on Mar 20, 2021 5:15:17 GMT -5
I need to get to the bottom of this just for my own satisfaction. Therefore an experiment. I have 4 pipes: An MM legend, a bulldog, a Canadian Andy yello bole. 2 deep narrow pipes, and 2 wider. I am using SG firedance. A blend I have never tried (thus cannot be influenced by the blend). Between each bowl, a slight break for food and drink. I will record my results after each pipe today. For science! |
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Post by Darin on Mar 20, 2021 7:19:46 GMT -5
That's the spirit ... looking forward to your initial findings. 👍😎
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Post by mrlunting on Mar 20, 2021 12:25:09 GMT -5
First a description of SG Firedance:
Samuel Gawith Fire Dance Flake. This is an aromatic Virginia blend with notes of blackberry, brandy, and vanilla. It is of mild to medium strength and has a pleasant room note with a fruity aroma.
On opening the tin the flake was a little damp to smoke right out of the tin. A pleasant tin note. I couldn't tell specific smalls, but still quite pleasant.
The first bowl was in an MM Legend. I found it pleasant. I could taste the brandy and vanilla though very mild. I am picking up the Blackberry, brandy and vanilla more as a room note.
Next bowl is in a bent bulldog.
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Post by mrlunting on Mar 20, 2021 16:38:33 GMT -5
Finishing the tail end of firedance in the bent bulldog.
I am finding a little more leather taste of the tobacco. The bourbon and vanilla is slightly more noticeable. So far more enjoyable than the previous in a cob. The cob may have altered the flavor.
Next pipe is the Canadian.
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Post by mrlunting on Mar 20, 2021 21:15:21 GMT -5
Finished with the Canadian.
Wow! It started off just like the others, nothing really standing out. But once I got into the bowl. Subtle flavors started coming out.
One bowl to go. A yello bole burly. It is a molded pipe, so no flavors from cob or briar. This is the final pipe before my review.
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Post by qmechanics on Mar 20, 2021 21:47:31 GMT -5
Science!!!! Well not really but still reflects an investigative mind... Three cheers for mrlunting !! |
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Post by mrlunting on Mar 20, 2021 21:49:23 GMT -5
Science!!!! Well not really but still reflects an investigative mind... Three cheers for mrlunting !! 😁😁🤪🤪😁😁 |
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Post by qmechanics on Mar 20, 2021 21:51:31 GMT -5
Hip hop hooray!!!
Oh my I bet you did not expect Naughty by Nature...
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Post by qmechanics on Mar 20, 2021 21:57:32 GMT -5
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Post by mrlunting on Mar 20, 2021 22:06:03 GMT -5
Hip hop hooray!!! Oh my I bet you did not expect Naughty by Nature... 😁😁🤪🤪😁😁 |
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Post by mrlunting on Mar 20, 2021 22:06:55 GMT -5
Thanks guys! 😁
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Post by qmechanics on Mar 20, 2021 22:17:17 GMT -5
We are waiting to read about your yellow bile😁, I mean bole, experience. I certainly would hope my shenanigans do not detract from your reports...
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Post by mrlunting on Mar 21, 2021 2:07:16 GMT -5
Still working on the Yello Bole Burley.
I still don't taste any blackberry. The Bourbon flavor was prompt, eventually vanilla in the background.
It's a toss up between the Canadian and the Yello Bole.
Best way to sum this up... yes there is a difference.
Listen to the masters boys! The old timers know what they are talking about. If they are willing to teach I'll shut up and listen!
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Post by qmechanics on Mar 21, 2021 13:51:54 GMT -5
Good job mrlunting!!! Well it really is no secret and is helpful to those who can descriminate many flavors. I tend to have pipes for specific blend categories, not only with regards to general pipe matching wisdom (with some specific pipe to blend pairings), but to lesson ghosting. My pipes also receive a general cleaning between smokes (I wipe out the bowl with paper towel and take a lightly moistened (Vodka) pipe cleaner down the stem and shank, after the bowl has cooled), thoroughly cleaning the pipe when necessary. |
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Post by urbino on Mar 21, 2021 14:02:17 GMT -5
Still working on the Yello Bole Burley. I still don't taste any blackberry. The Bourbon flavor was prompt, eventually vanilla in the background. It's a toss up between the Canadian and the Yello Bole. Best way to sum this up... yes there is a difference. Listen to the masters boys! The old timers know what they are talking about. If they are willing to teach I'll shut up and listen! Thanks for the experiment! The Canadian and Yello Bole are the wider bowls? |
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Post by mrlunting on Mar 21, 2021 14:30:50 GMT -5
Still working on the Yello Bole Burley. I still don't taste any blackberry. The Bourbon flavor was prompt, eventually vanilla in the background. It's a toss up between the Canadian and the Yello Bole. Best way to sum this up... yes there is a difference. Listen to the masters boys! The old timers know what they are talking about. If they are willing to teach I'll shut up and listen! Thanks for the experiment! The Canadian and Yello Bole are the wider bowls? The Canadian is tall and narrow. The Yello Bole is a larger pot. Subtle differences. |
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Post by thewingedsloth on Mar 29, 2021 22:52:10 GMT -5
Hi!
This is one of the threads that led me to join..
Ghosting...
I keep semois out of my "good" pipes. As well as c&d dreams of kadath. I also DO keep a pipe just for lighter blends. I find my regular pipes do muffle flavors but usually in the bottom of the last third of a bowl. Actually they do well up to that point but if I want opening night in all its toasty glory i find my pipe that has not had latakia, and dark blends does lift the flavor at the end.
That said, I admit without having experienced the difference I doubt it would have been missed. Its just that final touch of flavor at the bottom anyway. Worth finding out for yourself if you can, not worth worry about if you can not.
I think of some things as "style" points, not needed for enjoyment.
Bowl shape;
I have a GGG lovat that is almost a short stack, big deep bowl with a wide taper. Anything in it is good. The large burning surface and open draw makes giant billows of smoke with easy puffs. I also have a nice narrow taper pipe which seems to focus flavor in areas as it burns but smoke production is no where near the big pipe.
One thing I will add about taper bowls is they tamp out a lot easier!.
Regular "U" shaped bowls seem controlled by how open the draw is and dont seems to concentrate flavors as a taper does but i feel a narrow bowl changes flavors over a wider bowl of the same shape..
Bowl thickness seems only to affect how warm my hand gets as I have a thinwall i burn the same as the thickwall with no difference noted.
I recently added two spigots and the ease of removing moisture from them makes any smoke better.
So I am mixed on the topic. In a situation where one can devote a pipe to a blend I think one should do so. The benefit of fully tasting a blend is a noble goal.
For those with few pipes or a more utilitarian approach to pipes I do not think they are missing out on what a blend has to offer.
Bents vs straights..
I can turn an overpacked bowl that is generating excess moisture upside down with a straight shanked billiard and continue to smoke as it dries itself out. Or as moisture fills the stem a quick flick of the wrist clears it away. Drool with a bent is a real issue adding to a soggy smoke. Once a bent has gotten wet it is hard to dry. Cleaning bents is more work as well. While many a nice pipe is a bent, I found straight billiards to be the most useful and livable style of pipe. If I was a new pipeman I would only buy straight shanked billiards. The reason would be having only one pipe it needs to be an all rounder. I would enjoy a bent, just for my money I need a smoking tool not a smoking accessory.
Anyhoo, however you desire a pipe is how your pipe should be and you should enjoy it as often as you can!
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Post by briarbuck on Mar 30, 2021 7:27:12 GMT -5
I'm 90% Va's of some variety.
50-50 flakes/coins vs ribbon cuts.
The size of the chamber makes all the difference. Wide open vs closed is night and day.
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Post by taiguy66 on Mar 30, 2021 8:22:37 GMT -5
Hi! This is one of the threads that led me to join.. Ghosting... I keep semois out of my "good" pipes. As well as c&d dreams of kadath. I also DO keep a pipe just for lighter blends. I find my regular pipes do muffle flavors but usually in the bottom of the last third of a bowl. Actually they do well up to that point but if I want opening night in all its toasty glory i find my pipe that has not had latakia, and dark blends does lift the flavor at the end. That said, I admit without having experienced the difference I doubt it would have been missed. Its just that final touch of flavor at the bottom anyway. Worth finding out for yourself if you can, not worth worry about if you can not. I think of some things as "style" points, not needed for enjoyment. Bowl shape; I have a GGG lovat that is almost a short stack, big deep bowl with a wide taper. Anything in it is good. The large burning surface and open draw makes giant billows of smoke with easy puffs. I also have a nice narrow taper pipe which seems to focus flavor in areas as it burns but smoke production is no where near the big pipe. One thing I will add about taper bowls is they tamp out a lot easier!. Regular "U" shaped bowls seem controlled by how open the draw is and dont seems to concentrate flavors as a taper does but i feel a narrow bowl changes flavors over a wider bowl of the same shape.. Bowl thickness seems only to affect how warm my hand gets as I have a thinwall i burn the same as the thickwall with no difference noted. I recently added two spigots and the ease of removing moisture from them makes any smoke better. So I am mixed on the topic. In a situation where one can devote a pipe to a blend I think one should do so. The benefit of fully tasting a blend is a noble goal. For those with few pipes or a more utilitarian approach to pipes I do not think they are missing out on what a blend has to offer. Bents vs straights.. I can turn an overpacked bowl that is generating excess moisture upside down with a straight shanked billiard and continue to smoke as it dries itself out. Or as moisture fills the stem a quick flick of the wrist clears it away. Drool with a bent is a real issue adding to a soggy smoke. Once a bent has gotten wet it is hard to dry. Cleaning bents is more work as well. While many a nice pipe is a bent, I found straight billiards to be the most useful and livable style of pipe. If I was a new pipeman I would only buy straight shanked billiards. The reason would be having only one pipe it needs to be an all rounder. I would enjoy a bent, just for my money I need a smoking tool not a smoking accessory. Anyhoo, however you desire a pipe is how your pipe should be and you should enjoy it as often as you can! You make a lot of valid points sir and I appreciate your desire to encourage further debates/discussions/opinions (which is awesome and why we have this forum!). Having said that, the “magic bullet” is your last sentence: ”... however you desire a pipe is how your pipe should be....” Yes, if I had ample funds, I would have one pipe for every tobacco. Unfortunately, I have other interests and pursuits dividing my funds. Shhh... just don’t tell these guys and gals.....😉 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 30, 2021 10:01:56 GMT -5
I have 2 pipes for every tobacco. Trust me, it's not a solution to anything.
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Post by taiguy66 on Mar 30, 2021 10:23:10 GMT -5
I have 2 pipes for every tobacco. Trust me, it's not a solution to anything. There you go and I stand corrected! The conversation continues.....👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 12:23:03 GMT -5
I don't have a sophisticated palate, but there is a big difference that anyone should be able to notice if you smoke a wide variety of tobaccos. For instance, I had some Penzance given to me and I tried it in a dozen pipes before I found one that worked. I could only taste it in a Ben Wade English made pot. I imagine the perfect Penzance pipe would be a meer or clay pot, if such things exist. Now I will have to look for one. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 30, 2021 12:38:29 GMT -5
I don't have a sophisticated palate, but there is a big difference that anyone should be able to notice if you smoke a wide variety of tobaccos. For instance, I had some Penzance given to me and I tried it in a dozen pipes before I found one that worked. I could only taste it in a Ben Wade English made pot. I imagine the perfect Penzance pipe would be a meer or clay pot, if such things exist. Now I will have to look for one. The one that worked for me was a large, English Ben Wade thick pot. It's very good in this pipe. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 12:41:44 GMT -5
I imagine the perfect Penzance pipe would be a meer or clay pot, if such things exist. Now I will have to look for one. The one that worked for me was a large, English Ben Wade thick pot. It's very good in this pipe. That makes sense - a wide pot should bring out the nuances of a complex tobacco like Penzance. I smoke my lat blends in morta, clay or meer because (for me) they ghost briars enough to make future VA smokes not-so-great. But since I don't have a wide pot that's not briar, I guess I'll have to just try a briar. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 30, 2021 12:59:31 GMT -5
The one that worked for me was a large, English Ben Wade thick pot. It's very good in this pipe. That makes sense - a wide pot should bring out the nuances of a complex tobacco like Penzance. I smoke my lat blends in morta, clay or meer because (for me) they ghost briars enough to make future VA smokes not-so-great. But since I don't have a wide pot that's not briar, I guess I'll have to just try a briar. The Penzance didn't work in my Don Warren morta pot. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 13:01:47 GMT -5
That makes sense - a wide pot should bring out the nuances of a complex tobacco like Penzance. I smoke my lat blends in morta, clay or meer because (for me) they ghost briars enough to make future VA smokes not-so-great. But since I don't have a wide pot that's not briar, I guess I'll have to just try a briar. The Penzance didn't work in my Don Warren morta pot.  |
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Post by thewingedsloth on Mar 30, 2021 17:03:29 GMT -5
One area I know helps is a clean stem. All the way to the tiny edge. Not easy!. I hate to flood my pipes while cleaning( using everclear) but I hate cleaning too much as my supplies are bare by neccesity in an RV.
I always have this "dont keep a pipe like stalin did" in my head.(idea came he might have been importing semois cigarettes after having some semois myself.) Leading to the famous "Stalin Stink" rumours. So I am trying to keep pipes separated into dark/light, clean/unclean, all the while trying not to be Joeseph Stalin.......lol
So glad to know so many of you are as concerned with this issue as I am....
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