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Post by Darin on Sept 26, 2021 11:11:21 GMT -5
*** This is just an insider's heads-up and is not to be made political or inflammatory.
With the recent vaccine mandates, we are seeing many of the doctors, nurses and ancillary staff walking out. One of the hospitals in our area is already 75% closed down. My facility has given us a deadline of December to quit or comply and lots of folks have already left. Just be aware that, if you have medical needs, it could get quite "interesting" as the year comes to an end.
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Post by daveinlax on Sept 26, 2021 11:33:13 GMT -5
*** This is just an insider's heads-up and is not to be made political or inflammatory. With the recent vaccine mandates, we are seeing many of the doctors, nurses and ancillary staff walking out. One of the hospitals in our area is already 75% closed down. My facility has given us a deadline of December to quit or comply and lots of folks have already left. Just be aware that, if you have medical needs, it could get quite "interesting" as the year comes to an end. LoL! A post with a qualifier like this probably won't end well.  |
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Post by trailboss on Sept 26, 2021 11:36:52 GMT -5
Thanks, Darin!
It is always good to have an insiders view of what could potentially take place soon, especially in regards to healthcare. Better to be aware than ignorant.
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Post by simnettpratt on Sept 26, 2021 11:43:29 GMT -5
Thanks man.
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Post by Gandalf on Sept 26, 2021 11:56:23 GMT -5
Yes, many in my family are nurses - and they are saying that many nurses will quit before taking the vaccine.
Around here, and probably everywhere, hospitals have gotten rid of retirement plans and provide some of the worst health insurance you've ever seen.
Nurses are not tied to their jobs. They are constantly changing places of employment anyway - and they won't have trouble finding a new job.
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Post by sperrytops on Sept 26, 2021 12:05:15 GMT -5
Interesting to have a different view, nurses in California don't seem to have a problem with the vaccine. Certainly all the doctors took it early in the pandemic. I heard in some states they're quitting because hospitals are filled to overflowing with those that didn't take the vaccines and that's causing the nurses to quit. Nothing political here. Just a statement of the reality. There are two views to this problem.
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Post by Gandalf on Sept 26, 2021 12:10:41 GMT -5
I'd say the majority here have taken the vaccine too, but the hospitals are already understaffed and if just 10 or 15% won't take the vaccine and leave, then the hospital will be hurting.
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Post by daveinlax on Sept 26, 2021 12:17:18 GMT -5
Yes, many in my family are nurses - and they are saying that many nurses will quit before taking the vaccine. Around here, and probably everywhere, hospitals have gotten rid of retirement plans and provide some of the worst health insurance you've ever seen. Nurses are not tied to their jobs. They are constantly changing places of employment anyway - and they won't have trouble finding a new job. Really? I know Doctors, Nurses and other Heath Care Professionals and have never heard anyone with a issue with getting vaccinated or quitting over getting one. It’s nonsense water cooler bravado. Talk is cheap I doubt many will walk away from a paycheck. Anyway their next job will probably include a vax as a condition of employment. I don’t doubt AZ’s health care is under stress. We’ve dealt with very poor service there for decades. |
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Post by Darin on Sept 26, 2021 12:27:54 GMT -5
Well, there you go. No worries, folks ... Dave knows hundreds of Healthcare workers. Lol
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Post by Stearmandriver on Sept 26, 2021 15:53:44 GMT -5
We're seeing vaccine mandates in other industries as well, and while there is some grumbling, the reality does seem to be that no meaningful number of people are willing to quit good jobs on principle. That's the data we have so far.
This next paragraph risks sounding political (in the sense that talking about medical science has become political somehow these days) but I just offer it as I think it's a useful perspective: when you hear that X percent of "health care workers" are resisting the vaccine, remember that these numbers include every person who works every position at a health care facility. The majority of these folks have no more medical or physiological education or training than the general population; they're office staff, equipment techs etc. When it comes to actual physicians though, over 96% of them were fully vaccinated by mid-June, and the number is more like 99% today.
In other words, of the only group that is professionally equipped to actually understand the vaccines, almost 100% are fully vaccinated. I think that says a lot.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 26, 2021 16:01:40 GMT -5
Well, there you go. No worries, folks ... Dave knows hundreds of Healthcare workers. Lol Where would we be without "thorn in our flesh" to keep us humble? Everyone needs a reason to exist. Even Dave. |
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Post by Darin on Sept 26, 2021 16:15:30 GMT -5
That's incorrect information. We are losing medical staff and, in fact, it's the nurses who are organizing the picketing next week.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Sept 26, 2021 16:26:24 GMT -5
That's incorrect information. We are losing medical staff and, in fact, it's the nurses who are organizing the picketing next week. It's not, though. I didn't say there isn't vaccine hesitancy among nurses. There is, and it's statistically much greater than among physicians, and somewhat lower than the general population. Nurses have a somewhat greater level of medical understanding than the general pop, but much less than physicians. In other words, the data clearly shows that the more equipped a person is to understand the vaccines (and the pandemic in general), the more likely they are to choose to be vaccinated. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 26, 2021 16:27:25 GMT -5
My doctor is anti Covid-19 vaccine. We got it anyway. But if someone said that we had to get it that would be an entirely different story. I'm all for the old priven standard vaccines being required to go to school, but I think it's too early to force the mRNA vaccines on people who might not be as stupid as you might think, especially younger people. It can do a lot more harm to a 20 year old than a 70 year old.
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Post by Darin on Sept 26, 2021 16:37:38 GMT -5
Edit: Not going down anyone's ill-informed rabbit hole.
The whole point of my post is that shortages and closures are coming. They don't cancel surgeries and close entire wings because the dietary aid or gift shop employees didn't show up.
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Post by Darin on Sept 26, 2021 16:38:13 GMT -5
My doctor is anti Covid-19 vaccine. We got it anyway. But if someone said that we had to get it that would be an entirely different story. I'm all for the old priven standard vaccines being required to go to school, but I think it's too early to force the mRNA vaccines on people who might not be as stupid as you might think, especially younger people. It can do a lot more harm to a 20 year old than a 70 year old. BINGO!! |
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Post by trailboss on Sept 26, 2021 16:47:47 GMT -5
As a healthcare worker, It will be nice to exercise my religious exemption...Title VII of the Civil Rights Act.
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Post by Darin on Sept 26, 2021 16:55:55 GMT -5
As a healthcare worker, It will be nice to exercise my religious exemption...Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. 👍👍👍 |
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Post by daveinlax on Sept 26, 2021 17:32:49 GMT -5
Well, there you go. No worries, folks ... Dave knows hundreds of Healthcare workers. Lol Where would we be without "thorn in our flesh" to keep us humble? Everyone needs a reason to exist. Even Dave. LoL, isn’t it about time for you to get your nose bent out of shape and to disappear again. Like I said before you don’t post crap that needs a qualifier and expect it to end well. Guys have been warned over and over about posting divisive subjects. I doubt many will quit a job over a jab. And I can’t believe anyone in healthcare can work without one already. Send these people packing and let them go a couple of weeks without a pay check and they’ll be begging for their job back. It seems like some people are just endlessly looking for a fight. |
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Post by chasingembers on Sept 26, 2021 18:20:26 GMT -5
Well, there you go. No worries, folks ... Dave knows hundreds of Healthcare workers. Lol Everyone needs a reason to exist. Even Dave. Yep. |
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Post by trailboss on Sept 26, 2021 18:32:38 GMT -5
Anyone that smokes should be prohibited from employment, the known risks associated from a clearly irresponsible behavior is not only a danger to themselves, but others with second and third hand risks of exposure. Taken further, medical claims and coverage should be denied to people that continue in such irresponsible behavior.
The collective nature of public and private healthcare puts undue burden and costs on those that are not engaged in such irresponsible behavior.
Not a far fetched reality once you undermine individual liberties.
John Adams saw it for what it is.
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Post by sparks on Sept 27, 2021 7:12:53 GMT -5
Guys guys guys. Come on....
We have a bunch of educated people here, and great conversationalists, but it would be nice if that could be focused on topics that aren't going to go down the rabbit hole. The irony is, I think there are actually ways to discuss some of these things without mixing politics in, we just seem incapable of doing that.
"How many times must one touch the stove and get burned before they realize it's hot." Seems some don't get it.
Either get this one back on track and avoid the political bend, or I'll shut it down.
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 27, 2021 7:34:23 GMT -5
Guys guys guys. Come on.... We have a bunch of educated people here, and great conversationalists, but it would be nice if that could be focused on topics that aren't going to go down the rabbit hole. The irony is, I think there are actually ways to discuss some of these things without mixing politics in, we just seem incapable of doing that. "How many times must one touch the stove and get burned before they realize it's hot." Seems some don't get it. Either get this one back on track and avoid the political bend, or I'll shut it down. you got there just before me... Interestingly, over here, there isn't the same issue with getting the vaccine among healthcare professionals (although there is a higher proportion of people against the vaccine in Northern Ireland than the rest of the UK). However, what will perhaps trigger further restrictions is that nurses HAVE to isolate for 10 days if they've been pinged as a close contact, because the people under their care are clinically vulnerable. The rest of the population can get a test and carry on with life, but not doctors and nurses etc. This then means that more people are off work when numbers in hospitals are increasing, and that's putting strain on the NHS. Couple that with the fact that nurses are also walking out because the conditions and stress are just unbearable for some, and we've got a situation on our hands over here too. |
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Post by terrapinflyer on Sept 27, 2021 7:50:12 GMT -5
I could see the coils on the stove were getting red, and, well...
I'll just see myself out.
PS Thanks, Justin and Paddy, for keeping the boat on course.
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Post by bonanzadriver on Sept 27, 2021 13:57:07 GMT -5
*** This is just an insider's heads-up and is not to be made political or inflammatory. With the recent vaccine mandates, we are seeing many of the doctors, nurses and ancillary staff walking out. One of the hospitals in our area is already 75% closed down. My facility has given us a deadline of December to quit or comply and lots of folks have already left. Just be aware that, if you have medical needs, it could get quite "interesting" as the year comes to an end. LoL! A post with a qualifier like this probably won't end well. Why even post this comment Dave? Hopefully not to flame the fan of discontent, simply because you might not agree with either the premise of the post or that it doesn't fit your personal narrative? Sad to see you already being snarky with folks again. I agree completely with Sparks on this one. With the assumed intelligence of our member base here, you'd sure think that people could have rational discussions without all of the childish "shouting down" of folks who do not walk, talk, read, vote, eat like you do.  |
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Post by daveinlax on Sept 27, 2021 14:37:18 GMT -5
LoL! A post with a qualifier like this probably won't end well. Why even post this comment Dave? Hopefully not to flame the fan of discontent, simply because you might not agree with either the premise of the post or that it doesn't fit your personal narrative? Sad to see you already being snarky with folks again. I agree completely with Sparks on this one. With the assumed intelligence of our member base here, you'd sure think that people could have rational discussions without all of the childish "shouting down" of folks who do not walk, talk, read, vote, eat like you do. I call things as I see them, don’t like it, move on. |
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Post by oldcajun123 on Sept 27, 2021 14:50:07 GMT -5
 I avoid Dave because of my temper, he’s not worth it.
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Post by sparks on Sept 27, 2021 14:52:42 GMT -5
Ok boys. I think this one has run its course.
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I avoid Dave because of my temper, he’s not worth it.