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Post by papipeguy on Oct 8, 2021 10:36:57 GMT -5
I began my pipe journey in July 1970. First pipe was a GBD pot sitting in one of my pipe stands.
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Post by Rattlesnake Daddy on Oct 8, 2021 18:24:44 GMT -5
I always loved the smell of pipe tobacco, and started sometime about '92/'93. I picked up a no-name bent Dublin pipe from the Tinder Box that was marked "Made in Israel", along with a few aromatic blends. I smoked off and on for a few years trying new blends, but never really finding one that I meshed with. After a while I mostly stopped, save the occasional sampling of a new blend. I had mostly given up on pipes and left them collecting dust on a shelf when my great uncle passed a few years ago. The family knew I had an interest in pipes, so I was gifted his collection. Most were pretty chewed up and worn out, but there were a few gems. I started researching how to clean and bring back his pipes, and in the process decided to give pipe smoking a try again. That is when I discovered non aro's, especially English blends. I fell in love with the varieties, and bought quite a few tins of different tobaccos trying to find my favorites. I still have that first no-name pipe, and still smoke it on occasion when I do want an aromatic blend:
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Post by don on Oct 8, 2021 18:58:33 GMT -5
Interesting question. I have smoked a pipe since 2015 and I do not smoke my first pipe. It was a massive gurgler basket pipe. I do smoke my second pipe though - a Legend corn cob. I seem to have an affinity for cobs. I acquire more all the time. Probably have a dozen or so and smoke them as often as my briars.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 8, 2021 19:24:03 GMT -5
β I picked up a no-name bent Dublin pipe from the Tinder Box that was marked "Made in Israel", along with a few aromatic blends.β Shalom made a lot of pipes for Tinderbox, many from that factory carried the Alpha stamp, and the CEO formerly made Mastercraft branded pipes. From what I have seen, most any briar pipe made in Israel came from that factory. rebornpipes.com/tag/shalom-pipe-factory-israel-and-alpha-pipes/
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Post by Rattlesnake Daddy on Oct 8, 2021 21:03:14 GMT -5
Thanks trailboss,
That is most likely who made it then. Looking at the pipe again, it is simply marked "ISRAEL" and not made in Israel.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 8, 2021 22:09:27 GMT -5
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Post by JimK on Oct 11, 2021 12:51:43 GMT -5
How long have you smoked a pipe? Second question: Do you still smoke your first pipe? I've been pipe smoking for forty-five years. since the fall of 1976, I think. No, I don't smoke the first pipe I owned. I lost it somehow. It was no great loss, as it was a bargain bin pipe when I bought it. I do however, still have the pipe that replaced the bargain bin pipe. I bought it in a pipe & tobacco shop in Wichita, KS which no longer exists. The pipe needs a new stem. I should look into that. It's a good pipe.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Oct 11, 2021 13:11:07 GMT -5
Early sixties around a campfire with the Hmong people, then in Norfolk Navel Hospital a nurse bought me a Kaywoodie Fine line, smoked it in the janitors closet late at night, janitor smoked his cigarettes I smoked my pipe. First Merscheam was a GBD BULLDOG, still have it with its leather wrapped twin.
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Post by don on Oct 11, 2021 15:39:57 GMT -5
Early sixties around a campfire with the Hmong people, then in Norfolk Navel Hospital a nurse bought me a Kaywoodie Fine line, smoked it in the janitors closet late at night, janitor smoked his cigarettes I smoked my pipe. First Merscheam was a GBD BULLDOG, still have it with its leather wrapped twin. Brad, one of my dearest friends is Hmong. Met him when I worked in the oil biz, 25 years ago. Lots of our geotechs were Hmong. I thoroughly enjoyed my time with those guys. Love the food, the culture, the people. I still dove hunt with my friend and his extended family. Man those guys are impressive hunters and fishermen. At least the older guys are. The kids born here are distracted by our foolish pop culture and most are not the outdoorsman their dads are. You probably have some amazing stories.
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Post by jeffd on Dec 28, 2021 19:29:19 GMT -5
I have been smoking a pipe on and off for something like 30 years. Smoking seriously in two eras. In the late 90s after I started my engineering company, in response to the cigar world, and then starting again about ten or so years ago. I started being a self conscious yammerer talking about pipe smoking only the last several years, since my first post here.
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Post by Zach on Dec 29, 2021 13:48:11 GMT -5
Started smoking cigarettes at 14 years old and quit them entirely cold turkey (in a sense) when I switched to pipes shortly after turning 23 years old. I started piping in early fall of 2012 and my first pipe that I ever bought was a Missouri Meerschaum cherry hardwood bent pipe. (Their hardwood version of a Legend cob) I started with a pouch of Prince Albert's Cherry Vanilla in that hardwood pipe but quickly headed to my nice B&M in town to discover pipes and tobacco options. I bought my first "basket Italian" briar pipe for $35, a Leonessa Briosa slight bent rusticated apple in early October 2012, and from there it became an absolute obsession. I'd been browsing PipeSmokersForum since around September 2012 and that's what really enabled me to get into pipesmoking and get my feet in the door properly. I had an absolutely driven obsession to master the smoking technique with my first few pipes before buying more. In February 2014 I was given all my grandfather's pipes by him once he knew I'd been pipesmoking. I'd had no clue he had all his pipes, stands, jars and even full tins of 1970's Prince Albert, Velvet, and some old ration Lucky Strikes saved in storage. He had quit smoking altogether just shortly before I was born in 1989 and saved it all in storage. I quickly started meeting industry managers, talking to folks within SmokingPipes company, visiting pipe shows and the rest what's led up to now. I smoke quite a bit less the past couple years than what I was smoking around 2013-2017. Those years working on the road a lot and out in the field I easily smoked 8-15 bowls per day, every single day. Eventually I had to realize I had so much nicotine and caffeine constantly in my bloodstream it was highly affecting my sleep. I'd smoke 12 bowls in a day late into the evening and lie there awake all night long until 4am trying to toss and turn and sleep. These days I smoke a more moderate 2-4 bowls a day throughout the week and often smoke up to 5-6 bowls on weekends and days off work.
I still have my first two pipes, and I still smoke them. By now, I have a couple hundred pipes and a couple hundred pounds+ of tobacco cellared. Pipe smoking and being a pipeman, all the ephemera are deeply and truly ingrained in me. I don't see myself ever stopping or changing that.
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Post by toadgoblin on Jan 31, 2022 21:40:09 GMT -5
I began with cigars. I enjoyed smoking on my buddy's porch in the summer evenings when it was too nasty outside to do anything but enjoy a drink with the fellas. The smell and taste of tobacco was something I learned to appreciate from stogies, which I still smoke on rare occasions.
I have been smoking a pipe for about four years now. Like many people, I was terrible at it at first. My tobacconists had recommended that I begin with a nice, sweet aromatic. So, I bought a cheap cob and a beater briar and proceeded to scald my tongue for a few weeks. Discouraged, I put my pipes away and threw my aromatics in the bin. I knew nothing about the art, just that I loved tobacco. Many cigars later I couldn't get the notion of a pipe out of my head and so I returned to it. This time, I wanted to learn the difference between right and wrong. Absolved of my sins, I have since enjoyed it immensely, though I would suggest English blends or perhaps burleys, even a light aromatic, to the novice. It is nigh impossible to get tongue bite with an English. These days Nightcap is my favorite blend generally. I also adore Crooner, Second Breakfast, and I am looking more into VA-Pers. As a matter of fact, I just picked up some Bayou Morning today from my B&M after loving Elizabethan Mixture. I like my tobacco well-seasoned, y'all. The MM survived for a while, but the weeks of being a greenhorn took their toll on the poor thing. One day, I might resurrect it, but the stem is shot and I prefer the Kingston Judge from MM when it comes to cobs over any other. The "briar" will never be smoked again. I am not even sure if it is briar. The shop that I bought it from hardly sold any pipes (I should have stuck to my B&M). That hunk of wood is a terror that will never leave my junk drawer. Thank goodness it was cheap.
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Post by urbino on Jan 31, 2022 22:16:29 GMT -5
I began with cigars. I enjoyed smoking on my buddy's porch in the summer evenings when it was too nasty outside to do anything but enjoy a drink with the fellas. The smell and taste of tobacco was something I learned to appreciate from stogies, which I still smoke on rare occasions. I have been smoking a pipe for about four years now. Like many people, I was terrible at it at first. My tobacconists had recommended that I begin with a nice, sweet aromatic. So, I bought a cheap cob and a beater briar and proceeded to scald my tongue for a few weeks. Discouraged, I put my pipes away and threw my aromatics in the bin. I knew nothing about the art, just that I loved tobacco. Many cigars later I couldn't get the notion of a pipe out of my head and so I returned to it. This time, I wanted to learn the difference between right and wrong. Absolved of my sins, I have since enjoyed it immensely, though I would suggest English blends or perhaps burleys, even a light aromatic, to the novice. It is nigh impossible to get tongue bite with an English. These days Nightcap is my favorite blend generally. I also adore Crooner, Second Breakfast, and I am looking more into VA-Pers. As a matter of fact, I just picked up some Bayou Morning today from my B&M after loving Elizabethan Mixture. I like my tobacco well-seasoned, y'all. The MM survived for a while, but the weeks of being a greenhorn took their toll on the poor thing. One day, I might resurrect it, but the stem is shot and I prefer the Kingston Judge from MM when it comes to cobs over any other. The "briar" will never be smoked again. I am not even sure if it is briar. The shop that I bought it from hardly sold any pipes (I should have stuck to my B&M). That hunk of wood is a terror that will never leave my junk drawer. Thank goodness it was cheap. Given that tongue bite is so common with aromatics, especially for people just getting started, I sometimes wonder why shop owners recommend them to newbies. I mean, I know, the flavors and all that, but is that really enough to offset the tongue bite they're likely to have? Bayou Morning has a lot of fans. Hope you'll enjoy it, too.
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Post by henry on Jan 31, 2022 23:47:23 GMT -5
A couple of years in my Pleistocene (the 70's while in school). Restarted late 2021 due to fond memories of cavendish & a general commitment to Epicureanism in my final quarter.
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Post by toadgoblin on Feb 1, 2022 9:20:31 GMT -5
Given that tongue bite is so common with aromatics, especially for people just getting started, I sometimes wonder why shop owners recommend them to newbies. I mean, I know, the flavors and all that, but is that really enough to offset the tongue bite they're likely to have? Bayou Morning has a lot of fans. Hope you'll enjoy it, too. I think it is just good intentions mixed up with overlooking the obvious issue of tongue bite. For me, the rec made even less sense considering I had been going to this B&M for a couple of years prior and always smoked dark, strong cigars. If I liked the taste of leather-couch, why suggest black cavendish? Why not something more forgiving? It is a mystery!
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Post by toadgoblin on Feb 1, 2022 9:21:47 GMT -5
A couple of years in my Pleistocene (the 70's while in school). Restarted late 2021 due to fond memories of cavendish & a general commitment to Epicureanism in my final quarter. You have fine taste. Epicurus is one of my favorites and it is a tragedy that we only have fragments of his work.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 1, 2022 22:24:18 GMT -5
Given that tongue bite is so common with aromatics, especially for people just getting started, I sometimes wonder why shop owners recommend them to newbies.Β I mean, I know, the flavors and all that, but is that really enough to offset the tongue bite they're likely to have? Bayou Morning has a lot of fans.Β Hope you'll enjoy it, too. I think it is just good intentions mixed up with overlooking the obvious issue of tongue bite. For me, the rec made even less sense considering I had been going to this B&M for a couple of years prior and always smoked dark, strong cigars. If I liked the taste of leather-couch, why suggest black cavendish? Why not something more forgiving? It is a mystery! Tongue bite is caused by new smokers that pack the bowl too tightly, causing them to suck it like drinking a malt through a small straw. Aros get the blame because that's what most people start with.
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Post by urbino on Feb 2, 2022 0:03:19 GMT -5
I think it is just good intentions mixed up with overlooking the obvious issue of tongue bite. For me, the rec made even less sense considering I had been going to this B&M for a couple of years prior and always smoked dark, strong cigars. If I liked the taste of leather-couch, why suggest black cavendish? Why not something more forgiving? It is a mystery! Tongue bite is caused by new smokers that pack the bowl too tightly, causing them to suck it like drinking a malt through a small straw. Aros get the blame because that's what most people start with. Well, aros also tend to be wetter out of the bag/tin/pouch, which contributes to the problem; especially for somebody who doesn't know to let it dry out.
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Post by Zach on Feb 2, 2022 11:26:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I wouldn't agree with it having anything at all to do with a pipe packed too tightly. Tongue bite is from smoking too hot or too wet, and most often both of those. Most tobacco from a tin or moist bulk is too wet until it's had dry time and new smokers almost always think you just smoke it right from the tin for the flavor, not knowing it should be rubbed and dried for 20-60 minutes, or until it cannot be pinched and clump together. It should be starting to get crispy. Only with a slow smoking cadence can you smoke it with more moisture content. That's where a new smoker is both smoking too hot and fast and a too wet tobacco. Hot steaming the tongue.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 2, 2022 11:34:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I wouldn't agree with it having anything at all to do with a pipe packed too tightly. Tongue bite is from smoking too hot or too wet, and most often both of those. Most tobacco from a tin or moist bulk is too wet until it's had dry time and new smokers almost always think you just smoke it right from the tin for the flavor, not knowing it should be rubbed and dried for 20-60 minutes, or until it cannot be pinched and clump together. It should be starting to get crispy. Only with a slow smoking cadence can you smoke it with more moisture content. That's where a new smoker is both smoking too hot and fast and a too wet tobacco. Hot steaming the tongue. Then you would be wrong. π
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Post by Zach on Feb 2, 2022 11:39:40 GMT -5
Got tongue bite quite a bit my first few months of pipe smoking, and never had any issue packing a pipe too tightly. It was from smoking McClelland's and Gawith flakes sopping wet right from the tins. After solving the drying the tobacco problem, I've never gotten tongue bite since in nearly a decade. Though I have worn my mouth out from smoking 8 bowls or more in a day.
Conversely, you can pack a pipe too loosely that's wet and roast your tongue, too. Some tobaccos need to dry out for hours. Rum Twist I dry for 4-5 hours before smoking.
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Post by toshtego on Feb 2, 2022 13:01:25 GMT -5
My dad bought me my first pipe. A drugstore bent briar. No name I recall. Then he gave me a tin of Baby's Bottom to start me off in the right direction. He had been a pipe smoker but gave it up for cheap cigars- Roi Tan and Dutch Masters. That was 1966.
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Post by brobs on Feb 2, 2022 13:12:29 GMT -5
I believe I started in late 2016
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Post by toadgoblin on Feb 2, 2022 15:34:34 GMT -5
I think it is just good intentions mixed up with overlooking the obvious issue of tongue bite. For me, the rec made even less sense considering I had been going to this B&M for a couple of years prior and always smoked dark, strong cigars. If I liked the taste of leather-couch, why suggest black cavendish? Why not something more forgiving? It is a mystery! Tongue bite is caused by new smokers that pack the bowl too tightly, causing them to suck it like drinking a malt through a small straw. Aros get the blame because that's what most people start with. I'm sure that contributes to the heat of course, but I am not convinced that is the deciding factor. I blame aros because sugars trap heat and burn hotter than dried leaves. Sugar burns hot. Oils used for toppings and sugars used for toppings, even those in the leaf itself, spike the heat levels up. Virginias, for example, burn hotter than latakias or burleys. And I will testify that you can simply stuff 'n puff many such non-aromatic blends and smoke like a chimney with no tongue bite. If that is the case, and that is not the case for aromatics, then it is a reasonable question to ask why that might be, after all. That is the argument I would make anyway, to smoke something more forgiving of poor cadence or technique when starting out.
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Post by chasingembers on Feb 3, 2022 4:21:34 GMT -5
Tongue bite is caused by new smokers that pack the bowl too tightly, causing them to suck it like drinking a malt through a small straw. Aros get the blame because that's what most people start with. I'm sure that contributes to the heat of course, but I am not convinced that is the deciding factor. I blame aros because sugars trap heat and burn hotter than dried leaves. Sugar burns hot. Oils used for toppings and sugars used for toppings, even those in the leaf itself, spike the heat levels up. Virginias, for example, burn hotter than latakias or burleys. And I will testify that you can simply stuff 'n puff many such non-aromatic blends and smoke like a chimney with no tongue bite. If that is the case, and that is not the case for aromatics, then it is a reasonable question to ask why that might be, after all. That is the argument I would make anyway, to smoke something more forgiving of poor cadence or technique when starting out. Aromatics need more oxygen to burn due to the toppings. Gravity fill them to better ventilate them in the chamber and they can smoke as cool and dry as any blend.
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Post by chasingembers on Feb 3, 2022 4:30:54 GMT -5
Given that tongue bite is so common with aromatics, especially for people just getting started, I sometimes wonder why shop owners recommend them to newbies. Aromatic sales keep the pipe smoking boat afloat and the B&M lights on. Many house blends are aromatic and they'll push the sales. I don't think I've been in a B&M that had mostly non aro house blends if any at all.
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Post by jeffd on Feb 5, 2022 16:53:36 GMT -5
Not to hijack the thread into one about tongue bite, but as it seems to be more or less hijacked, let me contribute something: In my experience, I have not noticed that aromatics bite more often, or indeed than any particular type tobacco bites more often than other. I enjoy aromatics frequently enough without any problems. Maybe the dryness or dampness or how it is cut or how it is packed, and maybe I have subconsciously learned to adjust packing for the condition of the tobacco, but I have rarely rarely had an issue with tongue bite. Don't overlook another contribution - that of your pipe. The way the bit and the lip are cut can "shotgun" smoke to a particular small area of your tongue, which may be what we experience as tongue bite. The secret there, I am guessing, is to adjust how one puffs, the strength, the aim, the duration. And again, maybe I automatically compensate in this way for the different pipes I smoke. Some have said that aromatics are more popular among newbies, and so is relative inexperience with tobacco packing and accommodating puffing, so this correlation could help explain things. Maybe. But I am not sure it is true that aromatics are more popular among newbies. Not sure this isn't just another folk prejudice. Because I know many long time smokers of aromatics. Many. And don't forget individual mouth chemistry. The most consistent tongue bite I ever get is not when smoking itself, but when drinking strong whiskey and/or carbonated beverages while smoking. And even then, its is not all the time. So I conclude that there are many characteristics that could be contributors to tongue bite, and any systematic analysis would have to take these into account, and I believe such an analysis would uncover that the real cause is complicated and the answer is "it depends". And to bring this back to its original subject - in the very long time I have enjoyed pipe smoking, I seem to have avoided or accommodated most conditions what would cause tongue bite, and without even studying up on it.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 5, 2022 16:59:40 GMT -5
Not at all, Jeff, that is a thoughtful post with some great observations.
The fact of the matter, aromatic smokers leave non aromatic smokers in the dust when you read the amount of tobacco sold yearly.
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 5, 2022 17:34:58 GMT -5
I'm not entirely convinced that aro's have any more sugar than non-topped tobaccos. Casings have sugar in them for the purpose of achieving a sort of ph balance which is lost during the tobacco fermentation process. All tobaccos are pretty much subjected to casings. However, flavored toppings do not all have sugar in them as they used concentrated flavorings instead. What this means is that a heavy berry flavor or cocoa flavor does not necessarily derive from sugar. Flavor concentrates are used. Anyway, net net from my experience is that aros do not smoke hotter than other tobaccos. They just have a seriously strong aroma and can come a bit wetter in the tin. I have always associated tongue bite with intensity of packing. The heavier you pack a tobacco, the more you pull on it. The ;more you pull on it, the hotter it gets.That's my experience
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Post by unclebernie on Apr 12, 2022 11:16:10 GMT -5
I started in the late β60s/early β70s while in college. Maybe I thought it would make me look smarter than I actually was.
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