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Post by longforvalinor on Oct 7, 2021 10:56:41 GMT -5
A few years ago I read this article on Vincent Manil: www.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/magazine/tobacco-thats-so-brooklyn-but-made-in-belgium.htmlThen I forgot about it for a few years, and had never secured some semois to try. Yesterday, a friend scored a huge lot of tobacco, among which was a brick of Manil Pure Semois (the green label?). I can't wait to get some and try it. Who here is a fan? What are your thoughts on this fascinating tobacco?
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 7, 2021 12:35:32 GMT -5
NYT has a pay wall. I refuse to buy it as I have no canary.
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Post by sperrytops on Oct 7, 2021 12:53:41 GMT -5
Ya, can't get through the pay wall and not shelling out. Sadly, I guess I will never read about Vincent Manil.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 7, 2021 13:30:49 GMT -5
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Post by sperrytops on Oct 7, 2021 13:32:17 GMT -5
Thanks, Ron. Burley. I'll pass.
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Post by longforvalinor on Oct 7, 2021 13:32:50 GMT -5
This is a good start, but the main article is quite a bit longer, and really wonderful. Let me see if I can find it outside NYT's paywall.
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Semois?
Oct 7, 2021 13:35:17 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 7, 2021 13:35:17 GMT -5
I edited the post and added a couple of links.
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Post by longforvalinor on Oct 7, 2021 13:38:30 GMT -5
Thanks, Ron. Burley. I'll pass. Nah, you'll have to read the article. It's not burley as you've ever had it before.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 7, 2021 13:40:01 GMT -5
Thanks, Ron. Burley. I'll pass. It's actually very different from any other Burley.
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Post by longforvalinor on Oct 7, 2021 13:40:47 GMT -5
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Post by Professor S. on Oct 7, 2021 14:40:51 GMT -5
Thanks, Ron. Burley. I'll pass. It's actually very different from any other Burley. I'm convinced that the only good Burley is Burley buried under mountainous amounts of of Latakia
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Post by don on Oct 7, 2021 14:58:53 GMT -5
Le Petit Robin is a favorite of mine. The fine shag cut takes some getting used to, but I love the stuff.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 7, 2021 15:27:12 GMT -5
It's actually very different from any other Burley. I'm convinced that the only good Burley is Burley buried under mountainous amounts of of Latakia I like straight Burley.
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Post by Professor S. on Oct 8, 2021 8:54:23 GMT -5
I'm convinced that the only good Burley is Burley buried under mountainous amounts of of Latakia I like straight Burley. To each their own! The incredible variety of tobaccos and blends is one of the beautiful things about pipe smoking
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Post by Darin on Oct 8, 2021 9:40:45 GMT -5
A few years ago I read this article on Vincent Manil: www.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/magazine/tobacco-thats-so-brooklyn-but-made-in-belgium.htmlThen I forgot about it for a few years, and had never secured some semois to try. Yesterday, a friend scored a huge lot of tobacco, among which was a brick of Manil Pure Semois (the green label?). I can't wait to get some and try it. Who here is a fan? What are your thoughts on this fascinating tobacco? It's unique and I enjoy it. While considered a Burley "variant" it's easily distinguished from any straight Burley and has an almost floral aspect. It's also shipped dry as a bone and packs a cob with zero effort.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Oct 8, 2021 9:47:12 GMT -5
I'll give you my thorough take on Semois because I smoked it from the beginning of this hype I ordered the middle shag cut of pure semois - brown brick Upon opening you are greeted with a very anise sweet(natural - not sugar) and grassy burley like aroma I smoked it regularly and clipped the foil - didn't jar it It smokes like a fine cigar - doesn't taste like burley Aroma is a bit like mushrooms and some kind of floral flavor of Violet gum I also hydrated some - wasn't so good - always smoke it dry Here's the drawback As it gets exposed to air over time - it builds an ammonia acrid odor and taste - I was forced to throw out the remaining Half brick! I sold the second brick at a premium and vouched to never look back I received some in a trade and sold that as well
MY CURRENT TAKE: It's one dimensional a straight Virginia guy will enjoy it as much as burley people It is indeed a very special taste you will not really get anywhere else other than say a cigar It's too pricey I may want to revisit this tobacco JAR IT!@ IMMEDIATELY and keep it away from air as much as possible
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Post by sperrytops on Oct 8, 2021 10:42:28 GMT -5
It's actually very different from any other Burley. I'm convinced that the only good Burley is Burley buried under mountainous amounts of of Latakia KBV's Notorious is just that, and actually very good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 13:03:36 GMT -5
I've had semois at least half a dozen times. Indeed, it does have a very unique taste, very reminiscent as others pointed out, to a cigar. But I don't really fancy it because of the aftertaste it leaves. I prefer by far the French Scaferlati Caporal Bleu (not so French no more; it has been made by Mac Baren for at least 5 years now). It contains Burleys and Virginias. The tobaccos used to be roasted after being cured, I was told. I highly doubt it's still the case, however. I find it much more nuanced and flavorful. In fact, if you want an idea of what it tastes like, try Mac Baren HH Acadian Perique. For some reason and even though it contains Acadian Perique, it still reminds me a lot of the Caporal tobacco in its taste and nicotine strength.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 9, 2021 12:05:23 GMT -5
I've had semois at least half a dozen times. Indeed, it does have a very unique taste, very reminiscent as others pointed out, to a cigar. But I don't really fancy it because of the aftertaste it leaves. I prefer by far the French Scaferlati Caporal Bleu (not so French no more; it has been made by Mac Baren for at least 5 years now). It contains Burleys and Virginias. The tobaccos used to be roasted after being cured, I was told. I highly doubt it's still the case, however. I find it much more nuanced and flavorful. In fact, if you want an idea of what it tastes like, try Mac Baren HH Acadian Perique. For some reason and even though it contains Acadian Perique, it still reminds me a lot of the Caporal tobacco in its taste and nicotine strength. Merde de Cheval, another tobacco that's not as French as it sounds.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 12:32:50 GMT -5
I've had semois at least half a dozen times. Indeed, it does have a very unique taste, very reminiscent as others pointed out, to a cigar. But I don't really fancy it because of the aftertaste it leaves. I prefer by far the French Scaferlati Caporal Bleu (not so French no more; it has been made by Mac Baren for at least 5 years now). It contains Burleys and Virginias. The tobaccos used to be roasted after being cured, I was told. I highly doubt it's still the case, however. I find it much more nuanced and flavorful. In fact, if you want an idea of what it tastes like, try Mac Baren HH Acadian Perique. For some reason and even though it contains Acadian Perique, it still reminds me a lot of the Caporal tobacco in its taste and nicotine strength. Merde de Cheval, another tobacco that's not as French as it sounds. Indeed.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Oct 10, 2021 15:43:12 GMT -5
I've had semois at least half a dozen times. Indeed, it does have a very unique taste, very reminiscent as others pointed out, to a cigar. But I don't really fancy it because of the aftertaste it leaves. I prefer by far the French Scaferlati Caporal Bleu (not so French no more; it has been made by Mac Baren for at least 5 years now). It contains Burleys and Virginias. The tobaccos used to be roasted after being cured, I was told. I highly doubt it's still the case, however. I find it much more nuanced and flavorful. In fact, if you want an idea of what it tastes like, try Mac Baren HH Acadian Perique. For some reason and even though it contains Acadian Perique, it still reminds me a lot of the Caporal tobacco in its taste and nicotine strength. guess need to get some HH acadian - always wanted to try the caporal
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Post by thewingedsloth on Oct 10, 2021 16:29:28 GMT -5
October 10th. Ah Semois!.. just the mention of that leaf makes a pleasant feeling. First, yes it is a burley, if you never had a bowl you never have tasted a burley like it. I have ordered four bricks over time. All from four noggins. it was in stock last month for those looking for some. My last brick has been resting for over a year and let me tell you it does not seem to change except for a boost in first light sweetness. Chocolate is first, fades to buttered pencil shavings remember the giant sharpener we all emptied in grade school? that smell as a taste.... then a bit of pepper buttered popcorn finishing in a spicy woodsy hazelnut ending. The chocolate is not milk nor dark maybe semi sweet? It is ribbon cut with thickness being the only difference between the three bricks. I prefer the original La brumeuse (means Fog/foggy in french?) reserve du patron and petite robin didnt seem to work as well for me. Probably due to the pipes used. As for pipes, You want a workaday basket pipe for Semois. The flavor ghost is strong and lingers and apparently one bowl is enough to ghost a pipe. Vincent Manil prepares the tobacco according to tradition.. they roast the leaves in a big pot, cut ribbons, pack in bricks. Absolutely no PEG or casings of any kind. It is important to keep the tobacco as dry as possible. Mine was packed with a couple of silica gel packs while in a ziplok and I picked a dry day to finally decant into a long term storage jar. I have only read bad things about rehydrating Semois so I only load it dry. Loading is another area where traditional pipe skills wont work. Pack and crush, crush and pack to the desired amount then pack once more, light, repack top, tend bowl often packing as you go. If we did that method with any other tobacco we just plugged a pipe but Semois burns like a wildfire and tamping keeps it under control. The dry ribbons pass air quite well while packed "solidly". Being a small producer of a niche' tobacco has to be hard but Tabac manil seems to be doing well and the product speaks for itself. For any and all who want to try the "cuban cigar" of the pipe world I highly recommend buying a brick!
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Post by Darin on Oct 10, 2021 17:52:40 GMT -5
The Belgian "Terroir" makes all the difference. I've had the opportunity to smoke Semois grown in three different parts of the USA plus a crop I grew myself. While similar, none of them had that certain something that Manil's had. The closest was from New England, I'd say.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 10, 2021 17:59:39 GMT -5
Thanks, that did the trick!
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Post by thewingedsloth on Oct 10, 2021 19:08:06 GMT -5
The Belgian "Terroir" makes all the difference. I've had the opportunity to smoke Semois grown in three different parts of the USA plus a crop I grew myself. While similar, none of them had that certain something that Manil's had. The closest was from New England, I'd say. I assume it is the soil making the difference. battle of the bulge was fought there if I recall. Same as in cuba for cigars, take seeds elswhere, different outcomes. I heard cuba had ruined a lot of tobacco fields by planting agri crops that changed the soils composition. just a rumour but sad if true.
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Post by qmechanics on Oct 10, 2021 19:58:56 GMT -5
It's actually very different from any other Burley. I'm convinced that the only good Burley is Burley buried under mountainous amounts of of Latakia Well there a number of folks that think every tobacco is best piled under a mountain of Latakia..
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Post by sloopjohnb on Oct 11, 2021 7:58:47 GMT -5
The Belgian "Terroir" makes all the difference. I've had the opportunity to smoke Semois grown in three different parts of the USA plus a crop I grew myself. While similar, none of them had that certain something that Manil's had. The closest was from New England, I'd say. where did you source USA grown semois - that's interesting!
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Post by Darin on Oct 11, 2021 13:18:55 GMT -5
The Belgian "Terroir" makes all the difference. I've had the opportunity to smoke Semois grown in three different parts of the USA plus a crop I grew myself. While similar, none of them had that certain something that Manil's had. The closest was from New England, I'd say. where did you source USA grown semois - that's interesting! while a member of the Fair Trade Tobacco Forum, I made several connections with growers and fortunate to try their wares. 🙂
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Post by Spartacus on Oct 11, 2021 13:37:32 GMT -5
I'm not a Burley fan but I really like all of Manil's offerings.
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Post by mwps70 on Oct 25, 2021 15:04:33 GMT -5
It was time for a tobacco order so I threw a block in the cart. I have wanted to try these for a long time. It looks like all four blends are on have at Smokingipes.
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