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Post by Plainsman on Oct 23, 2021 13:47:44 GMT -5
Whattaya notice about this Colt pistol...
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Post by darktater on Oct 23, 2021 13:52:08 GMT -5
no safety on the Left side
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 23, 2021 14:25:55 GMT -5
no safety on the Left side Bingo!
It's not a 1911. It's the 1910, Browning's last submission before the final "adjustment." He thought that with the grip safety the pistol did not need a manual safety. The Army disagreed, especially the cavalry branch. He added the safety and the 1910 became the 1911. Voilá.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 23, 2021 15:01:55 GMT -5
I will buy it from you Bob, 200 Washington’s!
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Post by Gypo on Oct 23, 2021 15:09:00 GMT -5
You got me on this one I did not notice the difference. Was not home to be able to pull one out and compare it.
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 23, 2021 15:59:22 GMT -5
I will buy it from you Bob, 200 Washington’s! Upcoming RI auction notice...
Lot 558: Colt Model 1910 Semi-Automatic Pistol Serial Number 7
Extremely Rare and Historic Documented Colt Model 1910 Semi-Automatic Pistol Serial Number 7
Estimated Price: $100,000.00 - $160,000.00
Caliber / Gauge: 45 ACP
(Estimated that only about 15 were made.)
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Post by trailboss on Oct 23, 2021 17:17:05 GMT -5
Cheater, you peeked.
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Post by urbino on Oct 23, 2021 18:28:23 GMT -5
I will buy it from you Bob, 200 Washington’s! Upcoming RI auction notice...
Lot 558: Colt Model 1910 Semi-Automatic Pistol Serial Number 7
Extremely Rare and Historic Documented Colt Model 1910 Semi-Automatic Pistol Serial Number 7
Estimated Price: $100,000.00 - $160,000.00
Caliber / Gauge: 45 ACP
(Estimated that only about 15 were made.)
In that case, I'll give you two- fitty! Eat my dust, Charlie. |
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 23, 2021 18:53:49 GMT -5
Bidding war! Bidding war!
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 23, 2021 20:54:31 GMT -5
Too easy.
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Post by toshtego on Oct 23, 2021 22:16:49 GMT -5
Yeah, It took like 20 seconds to notice the missing Safety. You know why? I suspect this applies to many of us here. The 1911 is so well imprinted on our bwains the slightest variance jumps out, up and down. |
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 23, 2021 22:37:17 GMT -5
Yeah, wise guys. But did you know WHY it was missing?
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 24, 2021 10:36:39 GMT -5
Yeah, wise guys. But did you know WHY it was missing? It wasn't needed because of the grip safety and trigger design because John Moses delivered us from the Egypt of unsafe guns. 😁😎 |
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Post by trailboss on Oct 24, 2021 11:25:59 GMT -5
On some gun forums that I used to belong to, there were always some that thought any striker fired defensive handgun that had a safety, was not needed and it was their job to evangelize all the “dumb” people that possessed such a worthless tool.
In their opinion, if one got themself in the gravest extreme, one might not switch off the safety, and they were going to die. Somehow, they could not comprehend that when a person commits themselves to regular practice, it becomes ingrained on doing so in drawing your weapon.
Conversely, I have read of incidents in the Ayoob files where an attacker that was ignorant of the feature failed to discharge a firearm.
Safety or not, your preference should guide you and your practice/ training.
The same mindset says that anyone that open carries is the first one marked for death. But then again most criminals are looking for easy pickings, and there are several instances where the presence of an open carrier resulted in changing the behavior of a ne’er do well.
I typically conceal carry, but there are times when I open carry.
A lot of motorcyclist carry openly around here, I have yet to see one shot out of the saddle.
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 24, 2021 12:34:54 GMT -5
I have a S&W Shield 45 that has no safety. I don't like it. My Sig Sauer P365XL HAS a safety, a very good one. I'll never have another handgun that does not have a safety. Anyone who forgets his safety in extremis should not be carrying in the first place. Growing up with 1911s makes the operation of a safety second nature for me.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 24, 2021 12:53:45 GMT -5
I have a Ruger SR9C in 9mm, the safety switches down for fire, as should be the case. I got the same gun in .22 for cheaper practice, and the safety for the fire position switches upwards. I had mentioned to the wife that I was going to buy the .22 for practice, so she bought it for my birthday one year...never going to dissuade her from buying me guns, so it is a keeper.  They messed up on that, so while I may use the .22 for plinking, or shooting a small varmint, I don't care to use it for practice. |
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Post by toshtego on Oct 24, 2021 14:16:00 GMT -5
Yeah, wise guys. But did you know WHY it was missing? It wasn't needed because of the grip safety and trigger design because John Moses delivered us from the Egypt of unsafe guns. 😁😎 Oh, that is why. I thought perhaps the Cavalry of 1909 was so used to that big Colt Six Gun they were using, the New Service in .45 Long Colt, they had either lost the use of their right thumbs or did not need something they never had (a "Safety")? |
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 24, 2021 14:45:46 GMT -5
The General Staff never had all that much confidence in the in-depth gun-savvy of their troops, although they praised it to the civilian world. They, and particularly the cavalry, didn't want a completely new firearm that could result in the losses of men (and horses). IMO they turned out wiser than JMB. Remember that when the NYPD went to Glocks they experienced quite a few leg wounds from officers holstering their pistols with their fingers in the trigger guard. Whenever you start thinking you don't need a safety, you NEED a safety.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 24, 2021 15:46:26 GMT -5
The General Staff never had all that much confidence in the in-depth gun-savvy of their troops, although they praised it to the civilian world. They, and particularly the cavalry, didn't want a completely new firearm that could result in the losses of men (and horses). IMO they turned out wiser than JMB. Remember that when the NYPD went to Glocks they experienced quite a few leg wounds from officers holstering their pistols with their fingers in the trigger guard. Whenever you start thinking you don't need a safety, you NEED a safety. It's got a grip safety. |
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 24, 2021 15:56:41 GMT -5
Ron, really. Everybody knows it has a grip safety. You figger that's sufficient with a drawn pistol on a perhaps jittery horse in an adrenaline-charged combat situation? We might have to agree to differ on that.
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Post by toshtego on Oct 24, 2021 17:12:31 GMT -5
The General Staff never had all that much confidence in the in-depth gun-savvy of their troops, although they praised it to the civilian world. They, and particularly the cavalry, didn't want a completely new firearm that could result in the losses of men (and horses). IMO they turned out wiser than JMB. Remember that when the NYPD went to Glocks they experienced quite a few leg wounds from officers holstering their pistols with their fingers in the trigger guard. Whenever you start thinking you don't need a safety, you NEED a safety. 20 years ago, the then Chief of Police in the town of Taos shot himself in the Gluteus Maximus while in the toilet stall at headquarters. After a long and distinguished career as a law man armed with a revolver, the department just had to switch over to a Glock pistola. Viola! He expressed the wish to remain with what he knew after that. |
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Post by toshtego on Oct 24, 2021 17:55:08 GMT -5
While on the topic of top Taos Lawmen. The town constable/chief and the entire Sheriffs department. Not all that long ago.  |
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Post by trailboss on Oct 24, 2021 18:01:35 GMT -5
^ 2nd from the right, Officer Fife...I always wondered where he cut his teeth.
Except for Fife, they were some wide hipped guys.
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Post by toshtego on Oct 24, 2021 19:33:50 GMT -5
^ 2nd from the right, Officer Fife...I always wondered where he cut his teeth. Except for Fife, they were some wide hipped guys. That would be Sheriff Columbus Ferguson you are referring to. I kid you not. BTW, as I recall, that Town of Taos Constable, his name eludes me, was killed In the Line some years later. He was attempting to eject a belligerent boracho from a Taos bar and was shot and killed for his efforts. |
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Post by trailboss on Oct 24, 2021 20:21:45 GMT -5
Sad to hear John, I bet he was a good guy, his thin stature and the period made me think of better times.
I wouldn’t mind willing myself back to Mayberry was when a crisis was Aunt Bea’s Apple pie didn’t get the blue ribbon at the state fair…. Simpler times.
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Post by qmechanics on Oct 24, 2021 21:11:32 GMT -5
While on the topic of top Taos Lawmen. The town constable/chief and the entire Sheriffs department. Not all that long ago. When one's comments are an example of.........You know your getting old when.......  |
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Post by trailboss on Oct 24, 2021 21:17:32 GMT -5
Thinking about Alec Baldwin and the nonsense that took place.
“Every gun is a loaded gun”
“ Never aim a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy”
It amazes me that anyone handling a gun on a movie set is handed a gun and the trigger is pulled on a non-actor.
Even if he aims it at another actor, and it is cleared by the professionals on the job, open the chamber and check yourself. This sure the he’ll isn’t rocket science.
It was sad to see the CNN crowd that dances in the blood of any shooting come to give cover for poor old Alec.
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 24, 2021 21:27:05 GMT -5
He can't be absolved. There is ONE RULE and ONLY one rule: When in control of a weapon it is YOU who must verify its condition. No one else. Baldwin say he was "handed" a hot weapon, and so he is blameless. Nonsense. He clearly needs to go down with a charge of involuntary homicide.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 24, 2021 22:07:42 GMT -5
I would not be surprised if going forward to pay penance for what happened, we will be schooled why we really need to rid ourselves of such dangerous equipment… if it happened to him, it can happen to us mere mortals.
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Post by toshtego on Oct 24, 2021 22:20:00 GMT -5
Thinking about Alec Baldwin and the nonsense that took place. “Every gun is a loaded gun” “ Never aim a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy” It amazes me that anyone handling a gun on a movie set is handed a gun and the trigger is pulled on a non-actor. Even if he aims it at another actor, and it is cleared by the professionals on the job, open the chamber and check yourself. This sure the he’ll isn’t rocket science. It was sad to see the CNN crowd that dances in the blood of any shooting come to give cover for poor old Alec. Most of what I read on CNN suggested he had the final responsibility to determine the weapon's status. How he came to point it the Director of Photography is unclear. |
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