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Post by Plainsman on Feb 20, 2022 18:10:30 GMT -5
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Post by trailboss on Feb 20, 2022 19:55:14 GMT -5
I read that earlier today.
He made mistakes and miscalculations for sure, but I think he had the right intentions.
History does not repeat itself, but it often rhymes… seeing the same thing take place now.
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Post by msokeefe on Feb 20, 2022 22:39:51 GMT -5
To deal with the depression he applied conservative values, but it did not work quick enough as people were suffering. In a panic, he actually instituted the new deal, which FDR carried over and made it his own (which did not work). People were suffering so much that there were death threats against him. When he lost the election and FDR was sworn in, he asked for secret service protection to get home safely. FDR denied him SS protection. In those days, former Presidents did not get secret service protection when out of office or a pension for that matter. Hoover was beloved by the world for feeding it during and after WW I, using private donations. He was much maligned to elevate that communist FDR to god status.
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 21, 2022 13:25:43 GMT -5
There was little about any pipe smoking in that article, other than he took it up late in life, along with martinis and mystery novels. A man after my own heart.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 21, 2022 14:13:21 GMT -5
Just like anyone, he had his good and bad points. He is credited with saving 4+ million lives so, even though they were Belgians, his good far outweighed the bad.
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Post by henry on Feb 21, 2022 14:32:52 GMT -5
During the first months of the crash-depression he didn't say much and regularly played tennis on a court in full public view. Not the best optics.
Surprising as he had a solid background and was an intelligent man.
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 21, 2022 15:17:59 GMT -5
Maybe the Peter Principle hard at work.
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Post by zambini on Feb 23, 2022 10:54:17 GMT -5
Some people just aren't up to the top jobs. I can't imagine many presidential historians would place Hoover in the top half of US presidents.
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Post by john on Mar 20, 2022 22:55:13 GMT -5
Earlier it was a bowl of Sugar Barrel in my Jobey Meerschaum Filter...  Now after a trip to visit the grandkids in GA. Will be my Dunhill’s Shell Briar Prince filled with Balkan Sasieni... A bottle of water alongside...  |
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Post by trailboss on Mar 20, 2022 23:23:13 GMT -5
Some people just aren't up to the top jobs. I can't imagine many presidential historians would place Hoover in the top half of US presidents. For all his warts, Hoover’s successor kept the depression going far beyond what was necessary, and became friendly with the murderous Stalin. History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes. |
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Post by john on Mar 21, 2022 20:19:39 GMT -5
A bowl of Majestic English in my LHS Purex...  |
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Post by msokeefe on Mar 21, 2022 20:56:01 GMT -5
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Post by msokeefe on Mar 21, 2022 22:44:28 GMT -5
Just like anyone, he had his good and bad points. He is credited with saving 4+ million lives so, even though they were Belgians, his good far outweighed the bad. He actually helped people in the US, like the Mississippi floods. Back then there was no FEMA. Private donations were used to help people. |
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Post by msokeefe on Mar 21, 2022 22:49:04 GMT -5
Hoover, unlike FDR did not slaughter livestock, burn crops, steal gold, while the general public starved. He didn’t jail people who grew extra crops to feed their family. |
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Post by zambini on Mar 22, 2022 15:15:46 GMT -5
Some people just aren't up to the top jobs. I can't imagine many presidential historians would place Hoover in the top half of US presidents. For all his warts, Hoover’s successor kept the depression going far beyond what was necessary, and became friendly with the murderous Stalin. History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes. I don't want to get too political, but I disagree. Hoover came to power right when the stock market crashed signaling the public consciousness of the depression and by '33 things weren't looking any better. If anything, his desire to not over involve the federal government in the economy lengthened the depression (I can't imagine many would really be willing to return to what was then considered 'small government'). FDR's New Deal policies took a while to take off given numerous set-backs at the Supreme Court, of which many seem justifiable today and many don't, but even before joining the war in '41 the economy was really on the rebound. I'd point to the different treatment of the Bonus Army by the Hoover administration vs by the Roosevelt administration in '32 and '33 as a sign that Hoover simply didn't have the political chops for the job (Hoover might have been the only president not to reign in MacArthur before things got out of hand). I agree with you that Stalin promoted genocidal policies but I can't imagine the Allies winning the war in Europe without the USSR's heavy intervention and loss of lives. By the time of the Long Telegram and the stating of the Truman Doctrine, new sides had truly been established and the partnership with Stalin ended. |
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Post by msokeefe on Mar 22, 2022 19:34:52 GMT -5
Uuuuugghhh
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Post by john on Mar 22, 2022 20:33:27 GMT -5
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Post by john on Mar 22, 2022 20:43:07 GMT -5
It would appear that my senior moments have crossed into the wrong posting of this thread. Sorry Lads n lasses..
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Post by rastewart on Mar 23, 2022 14:31:53 GMT -5
It would appear that my senior moments have crossed into the wrong posting of this thread. Sorry Lads n lasses..
Then they sort of merged together into senior days, and senior months and years, and here I am living a senior life.
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Post by msokeefe on Apr 3, 2022 21:21:59 GMT -5
For all his warts, Hoover’s successor kept the depression going far beyond what was necessary, and became friendly with the murderous Stalin. History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes. I don't want to get too political, but I disagree. Hoover came to power right when the stock market crashed signaling the public consciousness of the depression and by '33 things weren't looking any better. If anything, his desire to not over involve the federal government in the economy lengthened the depression (I can't imagine many would really be willing to return to what was then considered 'small government'). FDR's New Deal policies took a while to take off given numerous set-backs at the Supreme Court, of which many seem justifiable today and many don't, but even before joining the war in '41 the economy was really on the rebound. I'd point to the different treatment of the Bonus Army by the Hoover administration vs by the Roosevelt administration in '32 and '33 as a sign that Hoover simply didn't have the political chops for the job (Hoover might have been the only president not to reign in MacArthur before things got out of hand). I agree with you that Stalin promoted genocidal policies but I can't imagine the Allies winning the war in Europe without the USSR's heavy intervention and loss of lives. By the time of the Long Telegram and the stating of the Truman Doctrine, new sides had truly been established and the partnership with Stalin ended. The Senate voted against paying the Bonus Army, it was out of Hoovers hands. Back then the POTUS followed the Constitution, unlike todays presidents who make up illegal executive orders. The New Deal was illegal and unconstitutional and didn’t work. The economy rebounded after WWII after we were the only game in town manufacturing items and agriculture. Truman then cut the budget and the economy took off. FDR’s new deal was slaughtering life stock to raise prices, meanwhile people starved. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 4, 2022 8:08:51 GMT -5
Ladies and gentlemen, please keep politics out of the patch. It rarely ends well.
Many thank-yous.
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