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Post by threecobsandafalcon on May 20, 2022 8:08:55 GMT -5
Upon smoking roughly 2/3rds of a bowl in my Falcon w/meerschaum, I foolishly set it with stem straight down, through a hole in the paint tray thing on a step ladder. I didn't think much about it, and went and did other things for an hour or so.
When I came back to it, also without thinking too much about it, I picked up the pipe and put it to my mouth, and pulled a little bit.
Instantly, my lips and tip of my tongue were splashed with the juice that had settled there due to gravity. It tasted very strongly of nicotine. I didn't swallow it, and kind of half-heartedly tried to spit it out; but it was there, and there was no going back by that point. So I waited a few minutes to see if anything would happen, and swabbed out the stem with a pipe cleaner while waiting, and eventually lit up the rest of the bowl, which lasted maybe ten minutes or so before I threw in the towel. And then I kind of forgot about it and went inside.
Fast forward a bit less than half an hour later, and I started feeling pretty darn green and queasy. I was like that for maybe another hour or so, and it gradually faded away. I sort of shrugged it off. But I'd never felt that way from smoking before.
Strangely enough, it didn't occur to me until quite a bit later that, maybe, the juice was *that* concentrated, that it would provoke such a hit to the gut. In retrospect, I'm fairly certain that's what it was.
Has something like this happened to anyone else, here?
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Post by Darin on May 20, 2022 8:45:11 GMT -5
When Lady Nic gives you the spins, appease her with sugar ... honey works well.
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Post by Zach on May 20, 2022 9:17:19 GMT -5
Sounds like you may have swallowed a bit of it which tends to most folks queasy, like if you swallow some dip juice. Has something like this happened? I've overdosed a bit on nicotine thousands and thousands of times. Strong pipes, cigars, chew, dip, snuff. Usually when I hit that threshold my heart starts to race very rapidly and I start to get that queasy feeling like I'm fighting off vomiting. A shade past that and I turn white as a sheet and have to drink something sugary and either lie down or go for a walk and walk it off out of my blood stream. When I really overdo it, I have bad full blown panic attacks but usually get it under control within 15 minutes. It depends on your stimulant and nicotine tolerance, and I have a high nicotine tolerance. Another fun fact if you really want to push the drug envelope of nicotine is dipping snuff or chew or smoking pure rustica leaf. A few big puffs on some nicotiana rustica leaf in a pipe and you'll start hallucinating from the nicotine! Good times!
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Post by Ronv69 on May 20, 2022 10:33:44 GMT -5
That type of pipe actually is made to use a filter ring under the bowl. Nobody does. Just "sling" the juice from the stem before you put it back in your mouth.
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Post by roadsdiverged on May 20, 2022 11:38:31 GMT -5
Sounds like you may have swallowed a bit of it which tends to most folks queasy, like if you swallow some dip juice. Has something like this happened? I've overdosed a bit on nicotine thousands and thousands of times. Strong pipes, cigars, chew, dip, snuff. Usually when I hit that threshold my heart starts to race very rapidly and I start to get that queasy feeling like I'm fighting off vomiting. A shade past that and I turn white as a sheet and have to drink something sugary and either lie down or go for a walk and walk it off out of my blood stream. When I really overdo it, I have bad full blown panic attacks but usually get it under control within 15 minutes. It depends on your stimulant and nicotine tolerance, and I have a high nicotine tolerance. Another fun fact if you really want to push the drug envelope of nicotine is dipping snuff or chew or smoking pure rustica leaf. A few big puffs on some nicotiana rustica leaf in a pipe and you'll start hallucinating from the nicotine! Good times! Challenge Accepted!!! |
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Post by Zach on May 20, 2022 11:43:04 GMT -5
Sounds like you may have swallowed a bit of it which tends to most folks queasy, like if you swallow some dip juice. Has something like this happened? I've overdosed a bit on nicotine thousands and thousands of times. Strong pipes, cigars, chew, dip, snuff. Usually when I hit that threshold my heart starts to race very rapidly and I start to get that queasy feeling like I'm fighting off vomiting. A shade past that and I turn white as a sheet and have to drink something sugary and either lie down or go for a walk and walk it off out of my blood stream. When I really overdo it, I have bad full blown panic attacks but usually get it under control within 15 minutes. It depends on your stimulant and nicotine tolerance, and I have a high nicotine tolerance. Another fun fact if you really want to push the drug envelope of nicotine is dipping snuff or chew or smoking pure rustica leaf. A few big puffs on some nicotiana rustica leaf in a pipe and you'll start hallucinating from the nicotine! Good times! Challenge Accepted!!!   |
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Post by roadsdiverged on May 20, 2022 12:04:47 GMT -5
It's impossible. 20 years of cigarettes blew my nic tolerance through the roof. I quit the cigs, but snuff and Copenhagen long cut are always in my mouth or nose at work, sometimes 8mg nic pouches. When I get off it's snuff, cigars, and pipes. The only things that really get to me are the strong GH blends if I freight train them.
It's always fun chasing the green stomach, knot in throat, niccup occurrences though.
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Post by Zach on May 20, 2022 13:34:57 GMT -5
It's impossible. 20 years of cigarettes blew my nic tolerance through the roof. I quit the cigs, but snuff and Copenhagen long cut are always in my mouth or nose at work, sometimes 8mg nic pouches. When I get off it's snuff, cigars, and pipes. The only things that really get to me are the strong GH blends if I freight train them. It's always fun chasing the green stomach, knot in throat, niccup occurrences though. I have Siberia Extreme White showing up today, which are 43mg nicotine snus portions. Never tried em before, probably pass out on the floor.  I quit cigarettes entirely the moment I started pipe smoking but I never even felt any nicotine from any cigarettes. The comparison never even makes sense to me, as they rarely have more than 5-6mg and most the large bowls of pipe tobacco I smoke have more. Never noticed nicotine from smoking cigarettes for a decade, only from cigars or dip before I started piping. I mean, even when I would chain smoke 5 cigarettes in a row of Camel Lights, I don't recall really feeling any noticeable extra effect from that. Now that I'm in my 30s it's certainly more predicated on how much I've had to eat whether I feel the nicotine from a smoke or dip. If you do end up ordering some pure rustica leaf, it will get you more than anything. The leaf is 13% nicotine by volume naturally, which is an average of 3-3.5x more nicotine than any VA leaf used by Gawith although many oral and nasal snuffs do use some rustica leaf.
Josh, you must at least have a much higher nic tolerance than me though. The main thing that can really get me is a decent sized packed lip of Kodiak or Copenhagen. Even a small little average dip gets me zipping in a few minutes and kicks in fast. The sublingual delivery just hits me hard.
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Post by roadsdiverged on May 20, 2022 15:17:48 GMT -5
I had whole leaf rustica and ground most of it up to make snuff. I added about 4 times more alkalizer than I should have, it packs a punch. I also used a few leafs of it when I made a rope with cigar leaf.
At work, the only time I don't have a dip in is when I'm eating, and that's not very often. I'm also shoving Thor's Hammer, Santo Domingo, or Dragon Madras up my nose all day.
I think I've pretty much destroyed my nicotine receptors.
"Fire and caffeine, a lotta nicotine
I'm gonna burn, so I better tell you everything
The competition, the superstition
Never mind 'cause you're never gonna give in"
The first line of that song sums up 90% of my day.
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Post by Zach on May 20, 2022 15:27:05 GMT -5
That's an entirely different level. I really use dip and snus in moderation so it doesn't wear down and effect my gums too much. I just tried the Chetak snus Lajawaab Punjabi Indian snus, and that stuff is great. It reminds me of some Gawith nasal snuff I had years ago. It's minty, herbal, some lemon balm flavors, zesty and some types of floral herb in there that really remind me of some type of Gawith Hoggarth. That stuff is a strange brew that smells like a lot of off-gassing ammonia when you open it, and feels like cat litter when you put it in your mouth. LOL, it's all grainy/sandy and thick chunk at first but it mellows and starts all the wild flavors once it gets going in a few minutes. Definitely a rustica!
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Post by roadsdiverged on May 20, 2022 16:33:43 GMT -5
I havent tried that one, but I did order some (mistakingly) and when I opened the tin, there was no way in hell I was putting whatever it was in my mouth. Hahaha. I dont even know how to describe what it looked like. I do like Makla though. I have a few tins of different ones laying around, I rarely use it though. That stuff hits me in a different way than anything else. Whenever I finally get your Andullo in the mail I'll send you some of this Rustica snuff  and some plain Toque Rustica (it's not alkalized). |
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Post by threecobsandafalcon on May 20, 2022 18:52:33 GMT -5
That type of pipe actually is made to use a filter ring under the bowl. Nobody does. Just "sling" the juice from the stem before you put it back in your mouth. When I bought my Falcon, it came with a half-dozen of the rings in a little ziplock, which I went through in a couple of days. But it also shipped with 50 of the name brand Falcon pipe cleaners - which are actually quite nice. My favorite tamper is a modified pin that came from a bucket of parts. It has a 1/8" hole perpendicular through the diameter of the narrow end of the shaft, and it happens to be virtually identical in width to the raised portion in the inside center of the "humidome" - where it rises up to meet the bore hole at the bottom of the removable bowl, forming there the very-well engineered air-gap through which the smoke is drawn. It's this raised portion that the filter-ring wraps around. The size-similarity is a happy accident, because I'm able to use the drilled hole at the end of my pin-tamper to easily fabricate new filter rings of practically identical dimensions to the commercial offerings; a single pipe cleaner makes four rings. The difference, however, is that I don't have a convenient way to remove the cotton fibers from the end portion of my rings. The commercial ones are bare wire on the ends. Now, I didn't think much of this, because it doesn't seem to affect the outcome, in terms of the smoking experience. However, what I came to discover through this incident, is that the cotton fibers, in touching the entrance of the draw tube, create an opportunity for liquid to wick down into it, through capillary action, should gravity be given the chance to act on it. I'm almost certain that's what happened. |
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Post by Ronv69 on May 20, 2022 20:27:46 GMT -5
That type of pipe actually is made to use a filter ring under the bowl. Nobody does. Just "sling" the juice from the stem before you put it back in your mouth. When I bought my Falcon, it came with a half-dozen of the rings in a little ziplock, which I went through in a couple of days. But it also shipped with 50 of the name brand Falcon pipe cleaners - which are actually quite nice. My favorite tamper is a modified pin that came from a bucket of parts. It has a 1/8" hole perpendicular through the diameter of the narrow end of the shaft, and it happens to be virtually identical in width to the raised portion in the inside center of the "humidome" - where it rises up to meet the bore hole at the bottom of the removable bowl, forming there the very-well engineered air-gap through which the smoke is drawn. It's this raised portion that the filter-ring wraps around. The size-similarity is a happy accident, because I'm able to use the drilled hole at the end of my pin-tamper to easily fabricate new filter rings of practically identical dimensions to the commercial offerings; a single pipe cleaner makes four rings. The difference, however, is that I don't have a convenient way to remove the cotton fibers from the end portion of my rings. The commercial ones are bare wire on the ends. Now, I didn't think much of this, because it doesn't seem to affect the outcome, in terms of the smoking experience. However, what I came to discover through this incident, is that the cotton fibers, in touching the entrance of the draw tube, create an opportunity for liquid to wick down into it, through capillary action, should gravity be given the chance to act on it. I'm almost certain that's what happened. Could be. I had a Falcon for a while and gave it away. I prefer other metal pipes but smoke 99.99%briar and cobs. |
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I quit cigarettes entirely the moment I started pipe smoking but I never even felt any nicotine from any cigarettes. The comparison never even makes sense to me, as they rarely have more than 5-6mg and most the large bowls of pipe tobacco I smoke have more. Never noticed nicotine from smoking cigarettes for a decade, only from cigars or dip before I started piping. I mean, even when I would chain smoke 5 cigarettes in a row of Camel Lights, I don't recall really feeling any noticeable extra effect from that. Now that I'm in my 30s it's certainly more predicated on how much I've had to eat whether I feel the nicotine from a smoke or dip. If you do end up ordering some pure rustica leaf, it will get you more than anything. The leaf is 13% nicotine by volume naturally, which is an average of 3-3.5x more nicotine than any VA leaf used by Gawith although many oral and nasal snuffs do use some rustica leaf.
and some plain Toque Rustica (it's not alkalized). 