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Post by cigrmaster on Jun 8, 2022 15:28:36 GMT -5
I look at thousands of pipes a week and I have noticed a trend that I find interesting. It seems that woman with a lot less experience are getting way more money than a man with similar or even more experience ,better shaping and not as good looking pipes for more money. Is it a matter of a guy wanting a pipe by a woman or do you feel woman make better pipes than men?
Sabina Santos
Mandula
Silver Gray
Nana Ivarsson
Anne Julie
Jasha Floroz
Flaviva Rodriguez
Geiger Pipes half man and half woman
Karin
Scottie Piersel
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 8, 2022 15:46:01 GMT -5
Naw, men have started to abandon the craft and women are just filling in. Just like ministry, teaching and more. I always thought that Ron Powell could have charged $100 more for his pipes.
Edit. You look at the pipes that Gigi Radice and his sons turn out and you can see the quality. It's easier to make a super quality pipe for $600+.
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Post by just ol ed on Jun 8, 2022 22:38:02 GMT -5
interesting comparo. Have heard of a few of the above on the above list, don't have any female made. Can speak only of certain clothing. We both bought a fair amount of clothes from Haband (part of Blair) company. Same thing in womens quite a bit more per item. She been deceased since 3/15, she bought more than a few shorts in mens sizes. Some of mine actually had a "fly" but so what. most of mine, no fly, just drawstring, same with lightweight long pants. It worked
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 9, 2022 7:33:27 GMT -5
I never noticed that (but I wasn't looking). Maybe there is something in having a pipe made by a woman - might do it for somme people. Is there a finer touch to them? Are they just charging more?
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 9, 2022 7:58:36 GMT -5
I never noticed that (but I wasn't looking). Maybe there is something in having a pipe made by a woman - might do it for somme people. Is there a finer touch to them? Are they just charging more? Silver Grey has exhibited exceptional skill. |
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Post by sperrytops on Jun 9, 2022 9:25:54 GMT -5
Don't recognize moat of the names above. But I have seen Scottie's, Nana's and Silver's pipes and they are quite fine pieces. Pricing seems comparable to quality to me.
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Post by mgtarheel on Jun 9, 2022 9:33:47 GMT -5
Sabina Santos makes excellent pipes, I have two of them.
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Post by msokeefe on Jun 9, 2022 10:41:30 GMT -5
Women have to make up for the extra money they are charged for their hair doos.
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Post by cigrmaster on Jun 9, 2022 10:57:21 GMT -5
My opinion is that guys for some reason want a female made pipe. I see nothing special shape wise or sandblast wise and yet females are getting 200-400 more money for similar made male pipes.
I owned one full size Scottie Piersel pipe and it was a nice smoker. Nothing spectacular but a good solid pipe. I ended up selling it so I could add more Jack Howell commissions which I feel are a better pipe and certainly a better price point. Jack has been carving a long time and hiw workmanship is top of the line. I paid 300.00 instead of a 350.00 priced estate pipe, here new pipes are over 400.00 plus. The Howell was a superior smoker with a better stem and a nicer blast.
I feel that people need to pay ones dues before they can hit the 500.00 mark. Some never reach their top pipes and others are able to hit their mark sooner.
When I see a carver only carving a couple of years and they are charging 500.00 and over for inferior pipes. I wonder who buys these things and what do they see that makes them worth those kind of prices.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 12:26:16 GMT -5
Women have to make up for the extra money they are charged for their hair doos. Bud, I think you nailed it. This ex-colleaugue of mine dedicated $200/month just on her hair. That's, like a LOT of beer. |
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Post by terrapinflyer on Jun 9, 2022 12:35:34 GMT -5
I can't even.
Damned incels.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 12:47:18 GMT -5
My opinion is that guys for some reason want a female made pipe. I see nothing special shape wise or sandblast wise and yet females are getting 200-400 more money for similar made male pipes. I owned one full size Scottie Piersel pipe and it was a nice smoker. Nothing spectacular but a good solid pipe. I ended up selling it so I could add more Jack Howell commissions which I feel are a better pipe and certainly a better price point. Jack has been carving a long time and hiw workmanship is top of the line. I paid 300.00 instead of a 350.00 priced estate pipe, here new pipes are over 400.00 plus. The Howell was a superior smoker with a better stem and a nicer blast. I feel that people need to pay ones dues before they can hit the 500.00 mark. Some never reach their top pipes and others are able to hit their mark sooner. When I see a carver only carving a couple of years and they are charging 500.00 and over for inferior pipes. I wonder who buys these things and what do they see that makes them worth those kind of prices. Dunno know about this theory of yours, but I think Nanna Ivarrson's pipes turn around 5 or $6,000 a piece. That's a lot of mullah, Abdullah. Granted, I find her very, very good looking, but I am not willing to pay that much to own something she touched, even if I had time to buy one when they pop up on SPC. And, on a serious note, I don't have the money for that and my wife would divorce me, if I were to buy one from her, even in the improbable scenario where I could afford one. Sabina Santos's prices are going up very quickly lately. There is one on SPC and it is $3,500. So, she sold it to them for about 1/2 that price, which has become a lot for her work and a steep increase over the last batch of pipes. Sure, she did an apprenticeship with Tom Eltang, I think, and that was probably not cheap, but that is starting to be a lot of money for a pipe, considering how long she has been on the market. As for Maduela, she seems to be making the same pipes over and over and, besides the prices (about $2,000 plus), I don't like what she makes. Scottie Piersel makes really nice classic looking Bent Billiards but, starting at $500 for a blast commission, I can't afford her work, either. As for Karin, no one ever heard from her before she hooked up with Romeo Mimmo (I sure never did) and, then, all of a sudden, she had pipes for sale on Alpascia for over 4,000 euros. Silver Gray is talented, her prices remain 'reasonable', considering who her husband is and considering she learned from him. One day, maybe, I will get one of her pipes with that super dooper Peterson patent stem. They are neat looking. Anne Julie is a legend and, even if I had money to throw out the windows, I would not buy one of her pipes. I don't like what she makes. Dasha Florov is Alex Florox's daughter, so then, her prices are based on the fact that she learned from him. I don't understand why Love Geiger & Sara Mossberg's pipes reach such prices, and I don't like what they make either, but hey, some of their grain is really beautiful and there's a market for them. I never heard of Flavia Rodrigues besides the few I saw popping up on SPC. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 12:54:11 GMT -5
What determines prices is obscure, at best, be it male or female.
Why one asks this price rather than this is also, to me, obscure. When I look at Tao pipes and their prices, I have a hard time grasping the justification. They look alike and they are small.
I fell off my seat when I first saw XuHai's work. He has gone up to over $10,000 the last time I saw one of his pipes. I mean, I never heard of the guy before he made it on SPC, and his first pipe went for $6,500. Which I why I fell of my seat.
Then there's Jess Chonowitsch, apparently, he's an icon and his pipes go for $7,000 the last time I saw a couple.
I try to see what is so special, or unique, in what they make, and I just don't see it.
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Post by sperrytops on Jun 9, 2022 14:26:01 GMT -5
Kinda like the difference between a Timex watch and a Cartier watch. From a distance, they look the same. You may not like the style, but the market is there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 14:33:14 GMT -5
Kinda like the difference between a Timex watch and a Cartier watch. From a distance, they look the same. You may not like the style, but the market is there. I hear ya. But the Tag Hueur Aquaracer automatic watches...I wish I had the money for one of these. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 9, 2022 15:23:24 GMT -5
I can't even. Damned incels. 👍,😉 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 9, 2022 15:25:53 GMT -5
My opinion is that guys for some reason want a female made pipe. I see nothing special shape wise or sandblast wise and yet females are getting 200-400 more money for similar made male pipes. I owned one full size Scottie Piersel pipe and it was a nice smoker. Nothing spectacular but a good solid pipe. I ended up selling it so I could add more Jack Howell commissions which I feel are a better pipe and certainly a better price point. Jack has been carving a long time and hiw workmanship is top of the line. I paid 300.00 instead of a 350.00 priced estate pipe, here new pipes are over 400.00 plus. The Howell was a superior smoker with a better stem and a nicer blast. I feel that people need to pay ones dues before they can hit the 500.00 mark. Some never reach their top pipes and others are able to hit their mark sooner. When I see a carver only carving a couple of years and they are charging 500.00 and over for inferior pipes. I wonder who buys these things and what do they see that makes them worth those kind of prices. Dunno know about this theory of yours, but I think Nanna Ivarrson's pipes turn around 5 or $6,000 a piece. That's a lot of mullah, Abdullah. Granted, I find her very, very good looking, but I am not willing to pay that much to own something she touched, even if I had time to buy one when they pop up on SPC. And, on a serious note, I don't have the money for that and my wife would divorce me, if I were to buy one from her, even in the improbable scenario where I could afford one. Sabina Santos's prices are going up very quickly lately. There is one on SPC and it is $3,500. So, she sold it to them for about 1/2 that price, which has become a lot for her work and a steep increase over the last batch of pipes. Sure, she did an apprenticeship with Tom Eltang, I think, and that was probably not cheap, but that is starting to be a lot of money for a pipe, considering how long she has been on the market. As for Maduela, she seems to be making the same pipes over and over and, besides the prices (about $2,000 plus), I don't like what she makes. Scottie Piersel makes really nice classic looking Bent Billiards but, starting at $500 for a blast commission, I can't afford her work, either. As for Karin, no one ever heard from her before she hooked up with Romeo Mimmo (I sure never did) and, then, all of a sudden, she had pipes for sale on Alpascia for over 4,000 euros. Silver Gray is talented, her prices remain 'reasonable', considering who her husband is and considering she learned from him. One day, maybe, I will get one of her pipes with that super dooper Peterson patent stem. They are neat looking. Anne Julie is a legend and, even if I had money to throw out the windows, I would not buy one of her pipes. I don't like what she makes. Dasha Florov is Alex Florox's daughter, so then, her prices are based on the fact that she learned from him. I don't understand why Love Geiger & Sara Mossberg's pipes reach such prices, and I don't like what they make either, but hey, some of their grain is really beautiful and there's a market for them. I never heard of Flavia Rodrigues besides the few I saw popping up on SPC. That "Ivarsson" name starts at $6k |
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Post by trailboss on Jun 9, 2022 16:17:05 GMT -5
Don't recognize moat of the names above. But I have seen Scottie's, Nana's and Silver's pipes and they are quite fine pieces. Pricing seems comparable to quality to me. Same here, and if you are in that league they are worth buying. Ann Julie’s pipes and prices I do not understand… as long as the buyer is happy, I reckon. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 10, 2022 7:17:52 GMT -5
Don't recognize moat of the names above. But I have seen Scottie's, Nana's and Silver's pipes and they are quite fine pieces. Pricing seems comparable to quality to me. Same here, and if you are in that league they are worth buying. Ann Julie’s pipes and prices I do not understand… as long as the buyer is happy, I reckon. Exactly...if someone will pay whatever they are charging then the price is right. If nobody buys then it's too high. I suppose it also depends on whether or not people are relying on purchases to feed themselves and their family. I'd say that would make a difference to whether or not you're keen to get the pipes sold and how much you're willing to negotiate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 9:23:19 GMT -5
Same here, and if you are in that league they are worth buying. Ann Julie’s pipes and prices I do not understand… as long as the buyer is happy, I reckon. Exactly...if someone will pay whatever they are charging then the price is right. If nobody buys then it's too high. I suppose it also depends on whether or not people are relying on purchases to feed themselves and their family. I'd say that would make a difference to whether or not you're keen to get the pipes sold and how much you're willing to negotiate. Let's not forget that pipes and tobacco, just like anything else, are considered by some as investments, thus generating profits. Some will buy them not with the perspective of using them, but selling with a profit. We can see that just with the vintage tins, how hugely popular that have become. And, in some cases, crazily expensive. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 10, 2022 9:57:43 GMT -5
Exactly...if someone will pay whatever they are charging then the price is right. If nobody buys then it's too high. I suppose it also depends on whether or not people are relying on purchases to feed themselves and their family. I'd say that would make a difference to whether or not you're keen to get the pipes sold and how much you're willing to negotiate. Let's not forget that pipes and tobacco, just like anything else, are considered by some as investments, thus generating profits. Some will buy them not with the perspective of using them, but selling with a profit. We can see that just with the vintage tins, how hugely popular that have become. And, in some cases, crazily expensive. Yep - good to throw that into the mix as well. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 10, 2022 14:54:42 GMT -5
I don't really see that it makes a difference whether a pipe is made by a man or a woman. The price should reflect the quality. I just can't afford it pipe made by a woman to compare. Maybe one of the many makers I own will transition to a woman and I will see if the pipe smokes any different.
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Post by chasingembers on Jun 12, 2022 12:49:46 GMT -5
I can't even. Damned incels. Interesting choice of wording if not hateful and woefully inaccurate. I doubt there's more than one or two members here in the age bracket for that one and considering the number of posts of children and grandchildren, likely applies to no one on the board. Some here may consider themselves volcels though. |
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Post by JimK on Jun 13, 2022 10:37:25 GMT -5
Women have to make up for the extra money they are charged for their hair doos. Bud, I think you nailed it. This ex-colleaugue of mine dedicated $200/month just on her hair. That's, like a LOT of beer. And a lot of tobacco, too! |
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Post by cigrmaster on Jun 13, 2022 17:25:09 GMT -5
One thing I will never understand are the people who buy those pencil thin pipes that Scottie Piersel makes. The bowls are tiny, they barely hold any tobacco and people pay 4-500 for those butt ugly pieces of swill.
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Post by sperrytops on Jun 14, 2022 11:02:17 GMT -5
One thing I will never understand are the people who buy those pencil thin pipes that Scottie Piersel makes. The bowls are tiny, they barely hold any tobacco and people pay 4-500 for those butt ugly pieces of swill. That's a bit harsh. Maybe fans of this pipe are skinny dudes with skinny fingers, or the local quilting club. Or maybe someone who just wants something different. In any case, there are people who like Oompauls. To me they look like a ball sack hanging from your chin. |
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Post by cigrmaster on Jun 14, 2022 11:58:11 GMT -5
One thing I will never understand are the people who buy those pencil thin pipes that Scottie Piersel makes. The bowls are tiny, they barely hold any tobacco and people pay 4-500 for those butt ugly pieces of swill. That's a bit harsh. Maybe fans of this pipe are skinny dudes with skinny fingers, or the local quilting club. Or maybe someone who just wants something different. In any case, there are people who like Oompauls. To me they look like a ball sack hanging from your chin. |
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Post by cigrmaster on Jun 14, 2022 12:01:16 GMT -5
That's a bit harsh. Maybe fans of this pipe are skinny dudes with skinny fingers, or the local quilting club. Or maybe someone who just wants something different. In any case, there are people who like Oompauls. To me they look like a ball sack hanging from your chin. |
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Post by cigrmaster on Jun 14, 2022 12:02:16 GMT -5
Yeah that was a bit harsh on my part and I apologize to Scottie for making it. To be fair I began hating those pencil thin shanks years ago when Becker started using them. I don't know why I hate that look so much but I just do no matter who does it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2022 14:28:46 GMT -5
Yeah that was a bit harsh on my part and I apologize to Scottie for making it. To be fair I began hating those pencil thin shanks years ago when Becker started using them. I don't know why I hate that look so much but I just do no matter who does it. I don't like them either. But I don't think you have to apologize because I believe you are entitled to your honest opinion. Considering the high numbers she sells, I am sure Scottie, and the other pipemakers that also sell them, will be ok. |
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