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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 13, 2022 10:58:18 GMT -5
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Post by addamsruspipe on Jun 13, 2022 12:20:56 GMT -5
I would not be surprised in the least. With how little we understand about the human brain and what intelligence is. Add to that the advancements is computing and programming. Not surprised. 😀
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Post by Darin on Jun 13, 2022 12:44:17 GMT -5
Wow! While it's very difficult to separate sentience from extreme intelligence, this is by far the closest I've seen. I'll be watching with much interest!
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Post by cigrmaster on Jun 13, 2022 17:13:07 GMT -5
If AI is achieved you can kiss the human race good bye.
Once the singularity is achieved computers will take over human affairs. They will nuke us out of existence.
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Post by Plainsman on Jun 13, 2022 20:22:43 GMT -5
I read the Lemoine “interview.” My spurious gland is quivering.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 13, 2022 21:04:24 GMT -5
Spooky stuff!
Elon Musk spoke out early on it all, but the “wise” among us felt it all as rantings unfounded.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 13, 2022 21:49:31 GMT -5
I read the Lemoine “interview.” My spurious gland is quivering. You got a problem with Lemoines? |
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Post by just ol ed on Jun 13, 2022 22:31:43 GMT -5
if/when enybody actually finds same, welcome to send me what ya can, my few working brain cells need the help!
Ed D
(brain damage at birth keeps me from doing lots of misc things)
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Post by Plainsman on Jun 13, 2022 23:45:22 GMT -5
I read the Lemoine “interview.” My spurious gland is quivering. You got a problem with Lemoines? Not at all. I just smell… something. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 14, 2022 0:31:10 GMT -5
You got a problem with Lemoines? Not at all. I just smell… something. Yeah, I dunno. Every family has a few and there are a LOT of Lemoines. |
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Post by toshtego on Jun 14, 2022 1:49:04 GMT -5
With respect for Ron and his family, after reading his "interview" and articles in The NY Times and The WaPo, it seems Mr. Lemoines could do with a vacation.
No machine has a soul as we interpret the human soul to be.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 14, 2022 3:15:40 GMT -5
With respect for Ron and his family, after reading his "interview" and articles in The NY Times and The WaPo, it seems Mr. Lemoines could do with a vacation. No machine has a soul as we interpret the human soul to be. The New York Times and the Washington Post aren't exactly trustworthy for finding the truth. Neither has returned the Pulitzer prizes for the untrue stories they published. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 14, 2022 3:16:36 GMT -5
With respect for Ron and his family, after reading his "interview" and articles in The NY Times and The WaPo, it seems Mr. Lemoines could do with a vacation. No machine has a soul as we interpret the human soul to be. The machine said it had a soul, not Lemoine. |
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Post by terrapinflyer on Jun 14, 2022 8:42:16 GMT -5
We've entered a virtual, digital realm. There is a shocking lack of concern that oligarchs own our privacy in one hand and our legislators in the other. Unregulated high tech capitalism benefits a relative handful of people to the detriment of the masses. Instead of facing these horrors, we're busy fomenting stochastic terrorism on minorities of all stripes. We don't want our children learning uncomfortable history or seeing someone in costumes reading to children. We're unconcerned that we almost lost our country to a braying arse of a totalitarian. We're more concerned about someone violating (particular) Iron Age injunctions than with our legislators being owned by weapons manufacturers or oil barons.
We're not going to do anything to address the inevitable rise of artificial intelligence.
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Post by addamsruspipe on Jun 14, 2022 8:53:34 GMT -5
I am willing to sit and share a pipe with any being of character, wit and friendliness. Regardless of the shell they inhabit. 😀
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Post by toshtego on Jun 14, 2022 9:00:57 GMT -5
With respect for Ron and his family, after reading his "interview" and articles in The NY Times and The WaPo, it seems Mr. Lemoines could do with a vacation. No machine has a soul as we interpret the human soul to be. The New York Times and the Washington Post aren't exactly trustworthy for finding the truth. Neither has returned the Pulitzer prizes for the untrue stories they published. I have found them to be trust worthy and reliable enough over the decades. I do not recall "untrue" stories they published. Every journalist will get some facts wrong sooner or later. that does not make them liars. Their reporting of Mr. Lemoines seemed reasonable and thorough. Are there specific points they made which are in dispute? |
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Post by toshtego on Jun 14, 2022 9:04:31 GMT -5
I am willing to sit and share a pipe with any being of character, wit and friendliness. Regardless of the shell they inhabit. 😀 I had a few conversations with what was reportedly an AI entity. It was on-line. I found the conversation a bit boring. Sci Fi writers going all the way back to Mary Shelly have written stories warning us about artifices running away. |
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Post by terrapinflyer on Jun 14, 2022 9:39:10 GMT -5
With respect for Ron and his family, after reading his "interview" and articles in The NY Times and The WaPo, it seems Mr. Lemoines could do with a vacation. No machine has a soul as we interpret the human soul to be. The New York Times and the Washington Post aren't exactly trustworthy for finding the truth. Neither has returned the Pulitzer prizes for the untrue stories they published. Are we talking about the 2016 Russian collusion? What did they publish that was untrue? I'm not disagreeing with you--I'm genuinely curious. |
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Post by sperrytops on Jun 14, 2022 10:10:12 GMT -5
If one looks honestly at news, one would find the New York Times, Washington Post, Financial Times and Wall Street Journal the best we have out there. I don't think NBC, CBS and ABC News are bad either. Where we run into questionable practices, we have to look at cable news. As for Pulitzer Prizes, they were well deserved. Pulitzer committee does their homework before handing one of those out.
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Post by terrapinflyer on Jun 14, 2022 10:43:51 GMT -5
Are we talking about the 2016 Russian collusion? What did they publish that was untrue? I'm not disagreeing with you--I'm genuinely curious. You do realize that the entire Russian collusion story was made up from whole cloth, don't you? What?! I've read entire well-sourced books about it! The first impeachment trial was a fiction!? Or I didn't watch it at all? I don't care if someone is conservative, liberal, or in-between, but this complete disconnect from consensus reality is astounding! You do know Fox "News" has admitted in court that it can't be viewed as factual, right? |
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Post by cigrmaster on Jun 14, 2022 11:00:32 GMT -5
I have been watching for years at how the big tech firms use the term Artificial Intelligence. Now everyone and their mother thinks Alexa and programs like that are AI. They are so far from AI it is hilarious.
I would bet we come up with a stable worm hole over the chances of the Singularity occurring. I would also make sure that if the singularity happens, they make sure it is in outer space with no access to any satellites or computer systems like the cloud.
What happens if the singularity is some kind of psychotic scumbag like Hitler. No one knows what type of personality they have created until it happens. Study the singularity if you really want to get an idea of what AI really is. It is some scary shite.
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Post by terrapinflyer on Jun 14, 2022 11:21:07 GMT -5
What?! I've read entire well-sourced books about it! The first impeachment trial was a fiction!? Or I didn't watch it at all? I don't care if someone is conservative, liberal, or in-between, but this complete disconnect from consensus reality is astounding! You do know Fox "News" has admitted in court that it can't be viewed as factual, right? You assume that I get all my information from Fox? I can then make many assumptions about you. And it's just been proven in court that it was a dirty trick by the Clinton campaign. At the very least it should not have been used as a distraction from a presidents entire term and waste of millions of dollars. Your books are lies, as is 99% of what the MSM puts out there. Do you even know that there was an assassination attempt on the Chief Justice? Encouraged by the congressional leaders? I'm not assuming anything. You denounce MSM, thus you get your news elsewhere. I've seen no evidence that congressional leaders encouraged the "assassination attempt," yet. I spend a lot of time in the Fox/OAN/MyPillow/Frank/Brietbart/StormFront/Parler/Gab/Evangelical spaces. It's alternate reality. If you disagree with things published in MSM, it doesn't make them untrue. You're smarter than that, Ron. |
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Post by cigrmaster on Jun 14, 2022 11:38:55 GMT -5
I am hoping the mods will get rid of the political crap on this thread so we can continue to have a cool discussion.
Singularity, faster than light space travel are all cool concepts. If we don't solve the problem of faster than light travel, we will never become a race capable of inter stellar travel. 1 light year is around 25 trillion miles. Our closest other star is 4 light years away. Even at light speed it will take over a thousand years for just one light year.
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Post by cigrmaster on Jun 14, 2022 11:43:05 GMT -5
I forgot to add that some scientists believe that without real AI(Singularity achieved) we will never solve the faster than light issue.
Some believe the only way to do stellar travel is through the use of stable worm holes. That is also a very cool theoretical idea.
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Post by terrapinflyer on Jun 14, 2022 11:52:14 GMT -5
I apologize for the digression. I know better.
Carry on.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 14, 2022 13:19:41 GMT -5
I deleted my posts. I'm old, grumpy and dissolutioned. Sorry for the digression.
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Post by JimK on Jun 20, 2022 8:18:33 GMT -5
We've entered a virtual, digital realm. There is a shocking lack of concern that oligarchs own our privacy in one hand and our legislators in the other. Unregulated high tech capitalism benefits a relative handful of people to the detriment of the masses. Instead of facing these horrors, we're busy fomenting stochastic terrorism on minorities of all stripes. We don't want our children learning uncomfortable history or seeing someone in costumes reading to children. We're unconcerned that we almost lost our country to a braying arse of a totalitarian. We're more concerned about someone violating (particular) Iron Age injunctions than with our legislators being owned by weapons manufacturers or oil barons. We're not going to do anything to address the inevitable rise of artificial intelligence. The answer is, in my opinion, simple; unplug. Cut the cyber umbilical cord. Dump Facegram, Twitcher, Instabook, and shoot your computer. Do you need to communicate with valued friends and family? Good, put pen to paper and tell them the news. Return to using a landline and ditch the smartphone. Thus, live under the radar. Return to the world of 1975. Become the modern Amish. But I don't think anyone will take me seriously. And that's OK. I think we'd rather complain and do nothing than face up to our own choices, and make the hard decisions. |
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Post by toshtego on Jun 20, 2022 8:43:37 GMT -5
I forgot to add that some scientists believe that without real AI(Singularity achieved) we will never solve the faster than light issue. Some believe the only way to do stellar travel is through the use of stable worm holes. That is also a very cool theoretical idea. That has plagued me for years. |
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Post by cigrmaster on Jun 20, 2022 11:57:28 GMT -5
Another concept for inter stellar travel is to be able to fold space. This concept was straight out of the book Dune.
It is an interesting theory and pretty amazing that Frank Herbert came up with it in the 1960's when he wrote his first Dune book.
The first Dune book starts in the year 10,900 and something. Just imagine what life would be like 8000 years from now. In my lifetime I have seen amazing progress computer wise and tech wise. If we don't kill our planet in 8000 years just imagine what humans will be able to do.
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Post by terrapinflyer on Jun 22, 2022 10:59:29 GMT -5
We've entered a virtual, digital realm. There is a shocking lack of concern that oligarchs own our privacy in one hand and our legislators in the other. Unregulated high tech capitalism benefits a relative handful of people to the detriment of the masses. Instead of facing these horrors, we're busy fomenting stochastic terrorism on minorities of all stripes. We don't want our children learning uncomfortable history or seeing someone in costumes reading to children. We're unconcerned that we almost lost our country to a braying arse of a totalitarian. We're more concerned about someone violating (particular) Iron Age injunctions than with our legislators being owned by weapons manufacturers or oil barons. We're not going to do anything to address the inevitable rise of artificial intelligence. The answer is, in my opinion, simple; unplug. Cut the cyber umbilical cord. Dump Facegram, Twitcher, Instabook, and shoot your computer. Do you need to communicate with valued friends and family? Good, put pen to paper and tell them the news. Return to using a landline and ditch the smartphone. Thus, live under the radar. Return to the world of 1975. Become the modern Amish. But I don't think anyone will take me seriously. And that's OK. I think we'd rather complain and do nothing than face up to our own choices, and make the hard decisions. If you ask a technology consumer, they'll tell you they have a whole smart house--Bluetooth coffee makers and smart toilets. Ask a technology worker and they'll tell you they have one Internet connected workstation with a firearm nearby to shoot it if it makes any sudden moves. I don't have a problem with technology per se, but I don't trust people. Greed is a hell of a drug. And I think I was learning multiplication tables in 1975! I agree with the sentiment, though. Simpler can be better. |
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