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Post by Professor S. on Jun 22, 2022 12:57:17 GMT -5
If AI is achieved you can kiss the human race good bye. Once the singularity is achieved computers will take over human affairs. They will nuke us out of existence. I think it'll be a lot more like WALL-E before it becomes like Terminator. They won't need to nuke us; we'll gladly let them take over our thinking, work, and decision making |
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Post by simnettpratt on Jun 22, 2022 14:05:56 GMT -5
They won't need to nuke us; we'll gladly let them take over our thinking, work, and decision making
And clamour to be afforded the privilege of buying the latest model. Not you, but your kids and your kids' kids.
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Post by sperrytops on Jun 22, 2022 14:11:38 GMT -5
If AI is achieved you can kiss the human race good bye. Once the singularity is achieved computers will take over human affairs. They will nuke us out of existence. I think it'll be a lot more like WALL-E before it becomes like Terminator. They won't need to nuke us; we'll gladly let them take over our thinking, work, and decision making Absolutely. And they're welcome to it. A robot could do a better job of running things than we do. |
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Post by toshtego on Jun 22, 2022 14:45:58 GMT -5
Another concept for inter stellar travel is to be able to fold space. This concept was straight out of the book Dune. It is an interesting theory and pretty amazing that Frank Herbert came up with it in the 1960's when he wrote his first Dune book. The first Dune book starts in the year 10,900 and something. Just imagine what life would be like 8000 years from now. In my lifetime I have seen amazing progress computer wise and tech wise. If we don't kill our planet in 8000 years just imagine what humans will be able to do. Sagan also wrote about the folding of space. The shortest distance between two points, eh? |
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Post by Zach on Jun 22, 2022 15:26:50 GMT -5
This engineer was your cousin? I'll be a bit more reserved then with how I word this, but no, it's not possible and it's nothing like a conscious being. Machine learning models like this using neural nets are simply pouring through massive amounts of internet collected data and using if then else statements to create the answers. There is nothing like a conscience and it's simply waiting compute time on halt, while it's waiting on another set of instructions. It's not possible to actively "think" during this halt time. Everyone in AI has collective trashed this guy to death already. But no, it's not even remotely sentient, or conscious. It's not got any form of intelligence either. 0% human level intelligence.
It's entirely nonsense and a nonstarter to think or just blindly assume a neural model is even capable of gaining intelligence. There's simply no possible way this can even happen.
Blake is currently being critiqued for either being mentally unstable, or acting entirely in bad faith for the sake of publicity.
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Post by Darin on Jun 22, 2022 15:32:34 GMT -5
So much science fiction from my childhood has already come to fruition that I refuse to discount any potential.
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Post by Zach on Jun 22, 2022 15:36:03 GMT -5
It's a complete fundamental misunderstanding of the programming therein, and what is capable from the outset. Current machine learning models are simply if then else statement programming. Full stop. There is no current chip that is capable of true and technical "learning" as it would fool the outgroup. This is not a movie. It's very straight forward, and I've worked in language learning models, PyTorch, and GPT-1-3 language learning modeling. It's not even possible for it to gain something like a consciousness. Furthermore, we don't even know what makes something conscious.
To go further, we're more than 20-30 YEARS away from something like you'd assume could be a active thinking and learning, sentient artificial intelligence. In terms of the 40 years we've been working towards this stuff... we are like 1-2% of the way there in all the 40 years of working in AI. We are no where at all even remotely close to being able to achieve artificial intelligence. It's still pure fantasy. I probably won't even see it in 30-40 more years in my lifetime.
Saying this in the AI community, that you believe LaMDA, or a LISP model, or something from GPT is conscious is tantamount to saying that you believe vampires are actually real, or that you believe zombies, or the toothfairy or something like that are truly real. It's that silly. Blake knows this, or he's mentally unwell.
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Post by Zach on Jun 22, 2022 15:48:47 GMT -5
They won't need to nuke us; we'll gladly let them take over our thinking, work, and decision making And clamour to be afforded the privilege of buying the latest model. Not you, but your kids and your kids' kids. If robots become capable of running all manufacturing and production for society, society moves to a post-work economy in which no humans would work jobs. Everything would be free and run up to resource limitations and exhaustion. Humans would potentially be freed from our current slavery model. Wage slavery. |
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Post by Zach on Jun 22, 2022 15:54:49 GMT -5
I would not be surprised in the least. With how little we understand about the human brain and what intelligence is. Add to that the advancements is computing and programming. Not surprised. 😀 I'll be the voice of reasoning dissent here. There haven't been any programming advances since the C language design by Dennis Ritchie in 1972! None! All we have that is ANY more advanced than C is better memory hardening against buffer overflows! To this day, the best language used in kernel space and operating systems is, C! The newest "languages" such as Rust, and Go simply do things to harden and constrain out of bounds, use after free, and overflows. The most mission critical software possible on Earth, and out in Space (Space X code) is written in C, and C++ (which are different languages, whereby C++ is object-oriented programming and extensible obj libraries that programming is based upon "objects.")
Until we move to some quantum based computers beyond 1 and 0 digital computing, there will be no further advance in programming itself and only better memory constraints.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 22, 2022 16:01:54 GMT -5
Artificial intelligence…
In the truest sense, it is practiced every day by people in positions that are regarded to be intelligent, across a broad spectrum of society.
Work, politics, media, entertainment, man on the street, etc…
And especially those that deem any use of tobacco as instant cancer.
There are a lot of dummies in our midst.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 22, 2022 16:16:40 GMT -5
This engineer was your cousin? I'll be a bit more reserved then with how I word this, but no, it's not possible and it's nothing like a conscious being. Machine learning models like this using neural nets are simply pouring through massive amounts of internet collected data and using if then else statements to create the answers. There is nothing like a conscience and it's simply waiting compute time on halt, while it's waiting on another set of instructions. It's not possible to actively "think" during this halt time. Everyone in AI has collective trashed this guy to death already. But no, it's not even remotely sentient, or conscious. It's not got any form of intelligence either. 0% human level intelligence.
It's entirely nonsense and a nonstarter to think or just blindly assume a neural model is even capable of gaining intelligence. There's simply no possible way this can even happen.
Blake is currently being critiqued for either being mentally unstable, or acting entirely in bad faith for the sake of publicity.
Distant cousin. The relationship split was probably 150 years ago. My grandmother's parents left his home town around 1845. As for his proposal, I don't know. I just put it up for conversation. |
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Post by sperrytops on Jun 22, 2022 18:55:02 GMT -5
I think it was about a hundred years ago when someone said everything's been invented and there is nothing left. So much for short sightedness.
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Post by Zach on Jun 22, 2022 20:53:08 GMT -5
A good analogy of the current tech is that we've been making things with the same tools. The limitations of what can be created are set by the same tools used. Once we have vastly different tools (new chips, with memory inline in the CPU with a synapse network, or different than voltage signaling digital computers) we can achieve vastly different outcomes (computing in non-binary states, brain learning-style AI).
Eventually there will be chip breakthroughs that are able to set us on a path to continue Moore's Law, but at current chip limitations we've broken Moore's Law some time ago. Chips haven't been able to double in speed for a while as we've hit circuit limitations for 7nm down to 5nm chips. When/If processor manufacturers go any smaller on the scale we encounter "quantum tunneling" and cannot properly pass digital signaling. When we can make chips that learn and not just execute binary bit flips, we'll be able to create AI. Current AI, we call AAI, Artificial, Artificial Intelligence. It's glorified programmatical if-then-else statements that can store a lot of data but this is just a misnomer, it's not actually intelligent or even capable of becoming intelligent. This is an inherent hard limitation in our only currently available microprocessors. Learning in some conscious fashion would require RADICALLY and vastly different chips, and inline memory access to achieve. We face massive I/O (input/output) hard limitations with our current technology and it's considered a "hard problem." This will likely take some decades to solve. I do believe it will come, eventually.
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Post by terrapinflyer on Jun 23, 2022 7:00:24 GMT -5
Another concept for inter stellar travel is to be able to fold space. This concept was straight out of the book Dune. It is an interesting theory and pretty amazing that Frank Herbert came up with it in the 1960's when he wrote his first Dune book. The first Dune book starts in the year 10,900 and something. Just imagine what life would be like 8000 years from now. In my lifetime I have seen amazing progress computer wise and tech wise. If we don't kill our planet in 8000 years just imagine what humans will be able to do. Sagan also wrote about the folding of space. The shortest distance between two points, eh? Yeah, it wasn't an entirely new thought experiment. C is constant, but the relative velocity of a thing at C within a spacetime expanding on the same vector necessarily is faster than C. |
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Post by cigrmaster on Jun 23, 2022 12:43:48 GMT -5
I believe the only way we become an inter stellar species if one of these three technology hits.
Faster than light travel
Wormholes
Folding space.
Anything less than these three have us stuck in our solar system for generations.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 23, 2022 13:14:39 GMT -5
Alan Turing was born on this day in 1912. Regardless of the experts, this comes close to passing his test.
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Post by toshtego on Jun 23, 2022 13:37:29 GMT -5
I believe the only way we become an inter stellar species if one of these three technology hits. Faster than light travel Wormholes Folding space. Anything less than these three have us stuck in our solar system for generations. See Arthur C. Clarke's Rendezvous With Rama. |
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Post by urbino on Jun 23, 2022 18:36:34 GMT -5
I believe the only way we become an inter stellar species if one of these three technology hits. Faster than light travel Wormholes Folding space. Anything less than these three have us stuck in our solar system for generations. It's done okay by us so far. |
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Post by toshtego on Jun 23, 2022 19:47:19 GMT -5
I believe the only way we become an inter stellar species if one of these three technology hits. Faster than light travel Wormholes Folding space. Anything less than these three have us stuck in our solar system for generations. See Arthur C. Clarke's Rendezvous With Rama. Interesting tale of inter-galaxy travel at readily achievable speed. |
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Post by terrapinflyer on Jun 23, 2022 20:12:04 GMT -5
I believe the only way we become an inter stellar species if one of these three technology hits. Faster than light travel Wormholes Folding space. Anything less than these three have us stuck in our solar system for generations. It's done okay by us so far. Fine, Pollyanna. You'll change your tune in a few billion years. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 23, 2022 22:11:34 GMT -5
It's done okay by us so far. Fine, Pollyanna. You'll change your tune in a few billion years. 😂 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 23, 2022 22:21:38 GMT -5
I will be checking out in a few years. Good luck to all who remain. On a similar topic, I subscribe to a newsletter that gives the latest science news and it's amazing every day. scitechdaily.com/ |
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Post by jeffd on Jun 24, 2022 16:49:10 GMT -5
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Post by instymp on Jun 24, 2022 17:30:40 GMT -5
I will be checking out in a few years. Good luck to all who remain. On a similar topic, I subscribe to a newsletter that gives the latest science news and it's amazing every day. scitechdaily.com/Don't talk that way. (Checking out) |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 24, 2022 20:31:04 GMT -5
I will be checking out in a few years. Good luck to all who remain. On a similar topic, I subscribe to a newsletter that gives the latest science news and it's amazing every day. scitechdaily.com/Don't talk that way. (Checking out) I'm just being realistic. I'll be 72 in September, and with my health issues I'll be lucky to see 80. I'm OK with it. |
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Post by toshtego on Jun 24, 2022 22:07:37 GMT -5
Don't talk that way. (Checking out) I'm just being realistic. I'll be 72 in September, and with my health issues I'll be lucky to see 80. I'm OK with it. Let us not be rushing these things! |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 24, 2022 22:44:48 GMT -5
I'm just being realistic. I'll be 72 in September, and with my health issues I'll be lucky to see 80. I'm OK with it. Let us not be rushing these things! There's people on the forum that wish I would get on with it. |
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Post by terrapinflyer on Jun 25, 2022 11:34:43 GMT -5
Let us not be rushing these things! There's people on the forum that wish I would get on with it. Hmm. They always spoke highly of you. |
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Post by Plainsman on Jun 25, 2022 11:53:19 GMT -5
Let us not be rushing these things! There's people on the forum that wish I would get on with it. They’re just jealous of your suave urbanity. |
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Post by jeffd on Nov 11, 2022 17:35:46 GMT -5
I think that is it! When artificial intelligence is packaged in suave urbanity, we are all lost.
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