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Post by trailboss on Feb 1, 2023 22:31:12 GMT -5
Watched the news tonight about a knucklehead that entered the Target store with an AR15 and thought he would be the next villain/ scumbag/ loser to go down in history.
The police got there within minutes, no innocents were lost and the cops took out the trash… no long court case where he could bask in the sun, and it was off to the potters grave for him.
One thing to keep on mind should you or your family members find yourself in such a situation:
Come up with a keyword if you sense things are not right… a word not commonly used in modern communication. For my family it is “Platypus”, when I utter it… drop what you are doing follow me. And we do not head for the main entrances, we go towards the service doors or exits that one would never think of exiting otherwise. Scumbags expect everyone to go towards the mall doors, and like in some scenarios they proactively put chains and padlocks on the doors to up the body count.
Stay safe, be aware of your surroundings and keep yourself safe!
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 2, 2023 9:36:06 GMT -5
You have to wonder what the guy was up to. All those magazines and he hadn’t apparently been shooting at anybody. It’s getting so you almost don’t dare go to a bigbox-type store without combat pay.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 2, 2023 11:48:59 GMT -5
If you are going to suicide by cop, it's better that you don't take anyone else with you. Still rough on you cops. Store is closed indefinitely.
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Post by toshtego on Feb 2, 2023 12:26:12 GMT -5
Good to read no innocents were harmed. Prompt response by competent law officers. I suspect that department has held more than one Active Shooter Drill.
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 2, 2023 13:26:22 GMT -5
You have to wonder what the guy was up to. All those magazines and he hadn’t apparently been shooting at anybody. It’s getting so you almost don’t dare go to a bigbox-type store without combat pay. Maybe he was trying to return the rifle? |
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Post by Baboo on Feb 2, 2023 16:22:05 GMT -5
You have to wonder what the guy was up to. All those magazines and he hadn’t apparently been shooting at anybody. It’s getting so you almost don’t dare go to a bigbox-type store without combat pay. Maybe he was trying to return the rifle? Does Target sell firearms? Public schools merit at least the same competent rapid response. Need better top-down training nationwide. |
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 2, 2023 16:27:08 GMT -5
We’re gonna have to bite the bullet (ha! See what I did there?) and get more like Israel: competent, trained, legally armed private citizens. Not as responders in an official sense. Just “out there” like everybody else. Some of the anti-gun folk say no “civilian” can stand up against an active shooter. This is simply not true.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 2, 2023 17:43:53 GMT -5
You have to wonder what the guy was up to. All those magazines and he hadn’t apparently been shooting at anybody. It’s getting so you almost don’t dare go to a bigbox-type store without combat pay. Maybe he was trying to return the rifle? 😂 As strange as it sounds, Target does not sell rifles or ammunition, even in Texas. |
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 2, 2023 19:25:01 GMT -5
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Post by toshtego on Feb 2, 2023 20:32:42 GMT -5
We’re gonna have to bite the bullet (ha! See what I did there?) and get more like Israel: competent, trained, legally armed private citizens. Not as responders in an official sense. Just “out there” like everybody else. Some of the anti-gun folk say no “civilian” can stand up against an active shooter. This is simply not true. Another model is Switzerland. When in Basel around 1981, most men were part of the Army reserve and kept an FN FAL rifle with loaded magazines in the trunks of their MBZ and BMWs. Since this was in Basel, I assume these preparations were for the Heinies over the border? Or, maybe for the Russians further over past Austria? At least these guys met regularly for training, Swiss Army training. So, I assumed they had some idea what they are supposed to do in an emergency. A collection of armed but untrained Americans attempting to sort through an emergency like an active shooter is good reason for me to remain in the basement I do not have. LOL! If a county sheriff wants to train civilians to form a posse, that is his/her right, at least in NM. Few elected officials want the liability. |
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Post by urbino on Feb 2, 2023 20:37:45 GMT -5
I look at Israel and see nothing I want to replicate at home.
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Post by turbocat on Feb 2, 2023 21:13:26 GMT -5
We’re gonna have to bite the bullet (ha! See what I did there?) and get more like Israel: competent, trained, legally armed private citizens. Not as responders in an official sense. Just “out there” like everybody else. Some of the anti-gun folk say no “civilian” can stand up against an active shooter. This is simply not true. Another model is Switzerland. When in Basel around 1981, most men were part of the Army reserve and kept an FN FAL rifle with loaded magazines in the trunks of their MBZ and BMWs. Since this was in Basel, I assume these preparations were for the Heinies over the border? Or, maybe for the Russians further over past Austria? At least these guys met regularly for training, Swiss Army training. So, I assumed they had some idea what they are supposed to do in an emergency. A collection of armed but untrained Americans attempting to sort through an emergency like an active shooter is good reason for me to remain in the basement I do not have. LOL! If a county sheriff wants to train civilians to form a posse, that is his/her right, at least in NM. Few elected officials want the liability. My ex wife is Swiss, from Bern. She grew up between Switzerland and the US. Soldiers, after completing their service keep their service weapons. Private ownership of firearms is common and actually less regulated than the US. Service caliber ammunition is subsidized by the government and cost less than wholesale and all gun owners are encouraged to join shooting clubs, many of which are state owned. Amazingly, shootings/murders are extremely rare there. |
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Post by toshtego on Feb 2, 2023 21:50:50 GMT -5
So is my maternal grandmother. Aeschliman.
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 2, 2023 22:00:29 GMT -5
By “get more like Israel” I meant taking responsibility for your own and other’s safety. I don’t want us to be an armed camp. Any more than we already are. :^\
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Post by adui on Feb 2, 2023 22:25:50 GMT -5
My ex wife is Swiss, from Bern. She grew up between Switzerland and the US. Soldiers, after completing their service keep their service weapons. Private ownership of firearms is common and actually less regulated than the US. Service caliber ammunition is subsidized by the government and cost less than wholesale and all gun owners are encouraged to join shooting clubs, many of which are state owned. Amazingly, shootings/murders are extremely rare there. Nothing amazing about it, it is a common-sense approach to gun ownership. Everyone gets military training and everyone learns at an early age not only what the weapon can do but why it is important to be responsible with it. |
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Post by turbocat on Feb 2, 2023 23:11:47 GMT -5
My ex wife is Swiss, from Bern. She grew up between Switzerland and the US. Soldiers, after completing their service keep their service weapons. Private ownership of firearms is common and actually less regulated than the US. Service caliber ammunition is subsidized by the government and cost less than wholesale and all gun owners are encouraged to join shooting clubs, many of which are state owned. Amazingly, shootings/murders are extremely rare there. Nothing amazing about it, it is a common-sense approach to gun ownership. Everyone gets military training and everyone learns at an early age not only what the weapon can do but why it is important to be responsible with it. Yes, I agree. My “Amazingly” was sarcastic. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 2, 2023 23:21:05 GMT -5
My ex wife is Swiss, from Bern. She grew up between Switzerland and the US. Soldiers, after completing their service keep their service weapons. Private ownership of firearms is common and actually less regulated than the US. Service caliber ammunition is subsidized by the government and cost less than wholesale and all gun owners are encouraged to join shooting clubs, many of which are state owned. Amazingly, shootings/murders are extremely rare there. Nothing amazing about it, it is a common-sense approach to gun ownership. Everyone gets military training and everyone learns at an early age not only what the weapon can do but why it is important to be responsible with it. This was the original purpose of the NRA. They have trained many rifleman for our many wars and it was working well until our government decided that they were the enemy. |
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Post by adui on Feb 2, 2023 23:39:15 GMT -5
turbocat Sorry I should have seen the sarcasm. No offense intended
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Post by turbocat on Feb 2, 2023 23:44:19 GMT -5
turbocat Sorry I should have seen the sarcasm. No offense intended None taken, thanks for the follow up. |
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 3, 2023 10:39:16 GMT -5
The Swiss system worked because all their greedy neighbors knew that “behind every blade of grass there would be a rifle.” The Japs knew that too back in WW2 days and it proved an effective deterrent. (Midway helped, too.) Prudence may make a case to us that it may be time to consider such a system. We currently have a debilitated military that seems unable to recruit, and we are sending unprecedented amounts of our materiel to Ukraine. National defense is a primary responsibility of the government. The question seems to be becoming “How are we going to do that?”
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Post by toshtego on Feb 3, 2023 10:49:13 GMT -5
Nothing amazing about it, it is a common-sense approach to gun ownership. Everyone gets military training and everyone learns at an early age not only what the weapon can do but why it is important to be responsible with it. This was the original purpose of the NRA. They have trained many rifleman for our many wars and it was working well until our government decided that they were the enemy. I was a member of the NRA when their focus was on civilian marksmanship. What they became is unmentionable. I hope they will return to what they were but know better. Too much money involved now. |
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Post by toshtego on Feb 3, 2023 10:52:51 GMT -5
The Swiss system worked because all their greedy neighbors knew that “behind every blade of grass there would be a rifle.” The Japs knew that too back in WW2 days and it proved an effective deterrent. (Midway helped, too.) Prudence may make a case to us that it may be time to consider such a system. We currently have a debilitated military that seems unable to recruit, and we are sending unprecedented amounts of our materiel to Ukraine. National defense is a primary responsibility of the government. The question seems to be becoming “How are we going to do that?” Switzerland's independence is largely about money and its safe hiding. |
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 3, 2023 10:56:32 GMT -5
So I am refuted, eh, John? Very glib but not entirely convincing.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 3, 2023 19:24:25 GMT -5
My ex wife is Swiss, from Bern. She grew up between Switzerland and the US. Soldiers, after completing their service keep their service weapons. Private ownership of firearms is common and actually less regulated than the US. Service caliber ammunition is subsidized by the government and cost less than wholesale and all gun owners are encouraged to join shooting clubs, many of which are state owned. Amazingly, shootings/murders are extremely rare there. Nothing amazing about it, it is a common-sense approach to gun ownership. Everyone gets military training and everyone learns at an early age not only what the weapon can do but why it is important to be responsible with it. You stole my thunder...I challenge you to a duel at high noon! Spot on...we used to take rifles to school for target practice afterwards....no negligent discharges, no school shootings. But we had no Psychotropic drugs administered either. My cursory read, missed Turbocat's sarcasm as I posted further...pretty apparent after I thought about it! |
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Post by Plainsman on Feb 3, 2023 19:26:10 GMT -5
Guns taken to school. Worked on in shop. A jackknife in every pocket. What happened? We live in post-America and some of us are not reconciled.
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