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Post by puffy on Apr 13, 2017 11:52:18 GMT -5
I hope this isn't considered to be political...A while back a high dollar restaurant here in town instituted this policy.The owners said that parents wouldn't control the kids and they were disturbing other customers.They say that their business has picked up 50% since this was started.Just wondering if you have any thoughts on this.
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Post by papipeguy on Apr 13, 2017 13:17:18 GMT -5
We taught our daughter how to behave in a restaurant at a very early age but we've seen how other children would be more at home at Chucky Cheese than Chez Fancy. Frankly, I would not bring child to an upscale restaurant because they just don't get fine dining. Most would rather run around and play than eat.
The restaurant has to do what's best for it's business and that usually means offering their customers the appropriate dining experience. I think they're well within their rites and, obviously, so do their patrons.
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Post by daveinlax on Apr 13, 2017 13:21:36 GMT -5
What's your idea of high dollar? What sort of restaurant is it. I eat in very expensive expense account chophouse's all the time and never see any kids. We went a little over board last month when we were in NYC before the pipe show and dinned at Keen's and Peter Lugar's and there wasn't a kid in sight. We also eat every week at a $75 for two with drinks and tip place in the neighborhood that serves a few families on Friday night. I have a hard time with 50% more.  |
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Post by oldcajun123 on Apr 13, 2017 14:17:25 GMT -5
My children, 3 of them, were taught, and taken to every restaurant , Galatoires Maitre D told wife He had never seen such well behaved Children. You got to teach them, most Parents don't.
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Post by herbinedave on Apr 13, 2017 14:30:53 GMT -5
Must of been parents led their charges about on a leash!
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Post by trailboss on Apr 13, 2017 14:51:28 GMT -5
My children, 3 of them, were taught, and taken to every restaurant , Galatoires Maitre D told wife He had never seen such well behaved Children. You got to teach them, most Parents don't. That's the way it was for us raising kids.. whether we were at McDonald's or the Sheraton Palace in San Francisco, they had no choice to behave..they knew what the consequences were. South Phoenix is the crappy part of town, one day I was driving through there, and stopped at the McDonalds...I noticed that a cop was just standing inside in tactical gear, and I asked him if there was something I needed to know before placing an order. He looked at his watch and said, "order your lunch, but in five minutes you will see why I am here"...sure enough, in five minutes, a ragtag bunch of hoodrats marched in and headed right to the soda fountain, pulled cups out of their backpacks and got ready to fill their cups. The cop told them that they needed to pay for their soda's and one kid said "under Arizona law you cannot denty me a drink" he was right about that, you cannot deny a person water, but they weren't looking for water. The attitudes of them punks was pretty unbelievable...it was pretty eye opening about what turd-birds some people are raising. |
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Post by peterd-Buffalo Spirit on Apr 13, 2017 20:50:11 GMT -5
...as the father of six sons, the wife and I taught all of them how to behave and what was expected...never had an issue...However, I like many of you, don't go out to eat at any establishment and want to listen to children who want to misbehave. I think the restaurant has every right to establish rules to protect their business and the comfort of their customers.
Frankly, any parent that allows their children to disrupt without removing them or stopping the behavior immediately, is squarely at fault.
...and the excuse of, "they're just kids", doesn't work at all...
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Post by youngdad33 on Apr 16, 2017 7:34:42 GMT -5
I was brought up to behave in restaurants and engage with people at the table. I can't remember a time I "kicked off" or made a fuss. It just wasn't done! I would occasionally go out to play in the restaurant garden/patio/outside, but would never mess about inside the restaurant. That does not include the time I was running through a hotel past the kitchen door and crashed into a waiter with arms stacked with plates. That's not because I was a tear away, I was just running back to my room to pick something up. It was my fault I ran into the waiter (and plates).
Otherwise, I enjoyed going to restaurants, whether they were fancy or not. I was ordering my meals at the age of 8, and taking part in conversations with the others on the table.
And these are the same behaviours I have taught my children. The younger one finds it hard to sit still for long due to his Autism, but give him a iPad to keep him busy, and he's fine. Why parents let their kids run around, disturb other diners and scream the place down (babies excluded) is beyond me!
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Post by crapgame on Apr 16, 2017 9:59:34 GMT -5
We had issues with our kids at restaurants for couple of years until we found out both kids are off the chart with ADHD, like I am, and my son has Asperger syndrome.We now have a proper treatment plan and dining out or going to the movies is a very enjoyable experience!
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Post by daveinlax on Apr 17, 2017 13:10:31 GMT -5
I guess letting kids running wild must be a rural thing. We joined some relatives for a spring brunch at a very rural country club in central Wisconsin yesterday and man the kids were running wild around the restaurant. |
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Post by Lady Margaret on Apr 18, 2017 8:04:16 GMT -5
unfortunately most people in society today are too lazy, selfish and self-absorbed to parent their kids. most kids are being raised by day cares and schools who can't discipline them because of "hampering their self-expression" or law suits. Then the kids are left to their own devices at home. We have kids in our neighborhood who wander the streets all summer long, from 10am until 2am and their parents have no clue where they are, nor do they really care. It is WORK to parent a child, and most people just don't do it. Some people do want to raise their kids to some level of respectability but don't start early enough. Two year old Sally, when told do something, will say NO! and stick her tongue out at her mother, to which Mom laughs, she thinks it's cute. Well, it won't be cute at 10 years old, and in fact it will probably escalate to screaming and throwing things, and the Mom will be clueless why her kid is such a brat. People were impressed by how well behaved my son was, but I never spoke to him about anything more than twice. He knew he had to listen or there would be swift consequences. It's not easy to do, you get tired, but it's the child that ultimately suffers if you don't train them right.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Apr 18, 2017 9:37:53 GMT -5
I hear that Margret, our home in Baton Rouge was home to many kids, we had a swimming pool and they were welcome as long as they behaved, didn't stand for no Crap. Felt sorry for some of them as they were not appreciated at home. Children learn from there Parents, unfortunately many Parents are Children themselves, you can't be a Buddy to them, you have to be A Parent.
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Post by crapgame on Apr 19, 2017 11:09:17 GMT -5
Very true Brad! We do the same..all kids are welcome here as long as they behave..My son had some problems with a few older kids and my wife saw them on the street and rounded them up.The kids blamed all the trouble being started by my son and at that the house where the trouble "started" the parents kicked my son out of their yard. My wife then took all the kids to the house where the trouble "started" and asked about the incident. The parents then told a different story and explained that the others started trouble with my son and they kicked the trouble makers out. After hearing this my wife then went and talked with parents of each child and we found out which child had parents that are involved parents and which are not. After the experience of being rounded up and confronted by Mrs. Crapgame, there is not one kid that dares to start trouble with either of our kids nor cause any trouble on our block knowing what will happen when my wife finds out!
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Post by peterd-Buffalo Spirit on Apr 19, 2017 12:25:17 GMT -5
Very true Brad! We do the same..all kids are welcome here as long as they behave..My son had some problems with a few older kids and my wife saw them on the street and rounded them up.The kids blamed all the trouble being started by my son and at that the house where the trouble "started" the parents kicked my son out of their yard. My wife then took all the kids to the house where the trouble "started" and asked about the incident. The parents then told a different story and explained that the others started trouble with my son and they kicked the trouble makers out. After hearing this my wife then went and talked with parents of each child and we found out which child had parents that are involved parents and which are not. After the experience of being rounded up and confronted by Mrs. Crapgame, there is not one kid that dares to start trouble with either of our kids nor cause any trouble on our block knowing what will happen when my wife finds out! ...a very important point made by Crapgame...When there are problems with kids...go and find the "real" truth or as close to it you can get...There's usually a story behind the story you've already heard...I rarely fight any battles for my kids...but when I think its appropriate, I'm there! |
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Post by trailboss on Apr 20, 2017 11:41:13 GMT -5
Years ago when we lived in a townhouse, I was on our fenced in patio and my daughter was riding her new bike in the parking lot, I heard a crash and my daughter (About 7) was crying, scraped up and bleeding. A guilty kid (12 or so years old) was getting to his feet, and I quickly found out he lived around the block, came flying through our property on a blind corner, T-boned my daughter and her front wheel was bent.
I got the kids address, and awhile later we went to his home to ask his parents to pay for the damage. The woman told me "I asked my son, and he told me that you didn't witness the accident, so you can't prove anything".
I told that woman, "I was but a few feet away and saw both kids in a heap on the ground, your son admitted that he flew around the blind corner"
"you can't prove it!" she replied.
I told her "You couldn't be doing a better job of teaching your son that he isn't responsible for his actions"...."Buying a bicycle wheel is a lot cheaper than paying a bail bondsman at 2 AM."
We just walked away from the witch.
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Post by crapgame on Apr 20, 2017 20:01:53 GMT -5
Years ago when we lived in a townhouse, I was on our fenced in patio and my daughter was riding her new bike in the parking lot, I heard a crash and my daughter (About 7) was crying, scraped up and bleeding. A guilty kid (12 or so years old) was getting to his feet, and I quickly found out he lived around the block, came flying through our property on a blind corner, T-boned my daughter and her front wheel was bent. I got the kids address, and awhile later we went to his home to ask his parents to pay for the damage. The woman told me "I asked my son, and he told me that you didn't witness the accident, so you can't prove anything". I told that woman, "I was but a few feet away and saw both kids in a heap on the ground, your son admitted that he flew around the blind corner" "you can't prove it!" she replied. I told her "You couldn't be doing a better job of teaching your son that he isn't responsible for his actions"...."Buying a bicycle wheel is a lot cheaper than paying a bail bondsman at 2 AM." We just walked away from the witch. Charlie, I have said this before and every now and then it needs said again..It is a quote from my dad who was a very wise man.He said "Son, you will find out that some people in this world are just no damned good." The incident with your daughter proves that point! |
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Post by trailboss on Apr 20, 2017 20:28:08 GMT -5
You have that right.
When I interacted with the boy, his initial action was to admit his guilt, and he gave me his real address...his mother had the exact opposite approach and went into high gear to corrupt his conscience.
For the sake of the boy, I hope that he became a good man in spite of the bad parenting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 21:12:41 GMT -5
A lot of parents DON'T control their children nor even care I think anymore and it's a travesty. These are the children that will run the country one of these days and I'm glad I won't be here to see it. They have no manners, respect, or even common sense and I think it has a lot to do with video games and the garbage movies of today. Not to mention the parents are of the same breed. Nowadays they want the schools and government to watch after their kids instead of teaching their children not to eat paint, stick their fingers in moving machinery, to be respectful of others and just some down home common sense with a belt across their bottoms when they do something they don't suppose to.  The Restaurant had the right to do it and I commend them.........where is it so I can have a peaceful meal again?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 21:59:45 GMT -5
unfortunately most people in society today are too lazy, selfish and self-absorbed to parent their kids. most kids are being raised by day cares and schools who can't discipline them because of "hampering their self-expression" or law suits. Then the kids are left to their own devices at home. We have kids in our neighborhood who wander the streets all summer long, from 10am until 2am and their parents have no clue where they are, nor do they really care. It is WORK to parent a child, and most people just don't do it. Some people do want to raise their kids to some level of respectability but don't start early enough. Two year old Sally, when told do something, will say NO! and stick her tongue out at her mother, to which Mom laughs, she thinks it's cute. Well, it won't be cute at 10 years old, and in fact it will probably escalate to screaming and throwing things, and the Mom will be clueless why her kid is such a brat. People were impressed by how well behaved my son was, but I never spoke to him about anything more than twice. He knew he had to listen or there would be swift consequences. It's not easy to do, you get tired, but it's the child that ultimately suffers if you don't train them right.   |
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Post by qmechanics on Sept 9, 2018 3:48:36 GMT -5
Sounds like a retirement village.😁
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Sept 9, 2018 18:51:13 GMT -5
We taught our daughter how to behave in a restaurant at a very early age but we've seen how other children would be more at home at Chucky Cheese than Chez Fancy. Frankly, I would not bring child to an upscale restaurant because they just don't get fine dining. Most would rather run around and play than eat. The restaurant has to do what's best for it's business and that usually means offering their customers the appropriate dining experience. I think they're well within their rites and, obviously, so do their patrons. HERE! HERE! |
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Sept 9, 2018 18:52:08 GMT -5
I hear that Margret, our home in Baton Rouge was home to many kids, we had a swimming pool and they were welcome as long as they behaved, didn't stand for no Crap. Felt sorry for some of them as they were not appreciated at home. Children learn from there Parents, unfortunately many Parents are Children themselves, you can't be a Buddy to them, you have to be A Parent. Agree 100% |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 19:18:32 GMT -5
You must be a parent first.....a friend second, so your children know and realize they can come to you when needed. Children need parents they can talk to....openly....without repercussions. I was lucky enough to have the most loving, caring mother, we were extremely close, enough to discuss life’s challenges in my teen years, until the day I lost her forever. My Dad.....not so much!! A “ child “ never forgets his/her upbringing!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 19:29:37 GMT -5
I think its GREAT! If a parent can't be a parent then they and their children shouldn't be allowed ANY where for that fact. Its time they grew up themselves and start realizing their actions INCLUDING the children's affect others and that the phrase I constantly here "it's a FREE World" is a load of horse manure. We are free to do what we want in this world.....As long as it doesn't affect the lives of others and there right to peace and prosperity, PERIOD!
Oops! Didn't realize I already posted my thoughts on this, well I reckon ya all get'em again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 19:39:59 GMT -5
Smart ^^^^^^^^^ man!! The “ millennial child “.......we’re all in trouble.......glad I won’t be around to see their children!!
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